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Title: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: dom444 on October 13, 2015, 01:40:31 AM
I have had this idea for a while so i thought i would put them out there, I have not had a chance to test them except the second one i know that the center magnet does move well, i used a glass tube for low friction.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on October 13, 2015, 10:23:49 PM
Thanks dom444 for sharing your ideas. Can you produce next time smaller drawings? Say 800x600 pix or so. Later I will contribute in this retro thread with practical examples and measurements. 2 weeks ago I started with the setup of mechanical resonance circuits with only 'passive' components. I hope more people will join this vintage OU subject.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on November 20, 2015, 07:37:05 PM
@ dom444
From the drawing above I made the setup of idea 2.
As said in my previous reply I am exploring the magneto/mechanical resonance in a linear system. Why always rotational
systems? Exploration of the behavior of coils and magnets is so much easier in the linear way.   
As basic unit I use a shake flashlight. The tube with the coil and magnet; all is there to make a linear actuator and generator.
The setup of the project is done at a wooden board of 40 x 40cm. The 'flashlight' is positioned in the middle and rest upon
a piece foam plastic for muting. At both sides of the magnet i glued 2 sticks of fiberglass for future experiments. Above the
coil I made a strip iron, from a transformer core, for lifting the magnet. A kind of magnetic bearing. In the video I go to show
the effect on the system. No transistors or IC's are used, only 2 reedcontacts, 1 relay, some diodes, led's and resistors.
Less is more! Anybody can make this project to explore electromagnetism at the kitchen table. More info is on the go.
Berto
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on November 20, 2015, 09:37:54 PM
In an earlier stage I did some experiments with a 555 IC oscillator as driver for a relay with 2 change-over switches.
Frequence and pulswidth can be changed. In the next video I will show some effects on the movement of the magnet
by this circuit. You have to place bumper magnets (M1 and M2) to regulate the swing of the magnet.
 
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on November 25, 2015, 02:30:09 AM
Making electromagnetic coils is no easy job. I made a simple coil winder from a fishing reel.
With just some aluminium strips the job is done.
Watch the video how this is done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns7jTKHjEZY
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: forest on November 25, 2015, 11:12:53 AM
Making electromagnetic coils is no easy job. I made a simple coil winder from a fishing reel.
With just some aluminium strips the job is done.
Watch the video how this is done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns7jTKHjEZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns7jTKHjEZY)


I think you should resize this image down. In case of winding coils the most problem is the perfection of winding - each turns should be placed near the previous one for the best effect.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on November 25, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
@ forest
You are right with the perfection of winding. It is hard to make evenly distributed windings.
I have to learn doing that. Maybe I have to design an other system for this.
For now I am glad to have a non-perfect coil winder for my magnetic mechanical resonance system.
B.t.w. I hope a.s.a.p. to publish a video about the set-up and measurements of the MMRS.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on December 13, 2015, 11:41:26 PM

Free energy for dummies is an exploration of a linear electro magnetic test set
by means of a simple, easy to build electromechanical resonator system.
Winter 2015/16 I make a series of YouTube video's about my ongoing work.
You can follow my quest to minimize the input and maximize the output energy.
Do not expect a ready made COP 10 overunity system, already for sale.
I am no expert or adept. No scammer, claimer, cheater, pretender or magician.
What I do is; making a test device, change it, measure it and publish the outcome.
As mentioned in the video: 'Free Energy means for me FREEing Energy that is hidden
or encapsulated. Overunity can be the result of freeing more energy than expected'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1amDDecxmIw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1amDDecxmIw)


Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on December 18, 2015, 02:46:40 AM
Part 2 of the video series Free Energy for Dummies is an explanation how the electromagnetic resonator works.
 How to make this more efficient by decreasing the activation time of the solenoid. To do that I have to build
a leading edge pulse delay. The results of that change we will see in part 3. I lifted the motor magnet by
2 supporting wheels what will decrease the friction in the cylinder. At the end I show some measurements of
 the voltage curve from the motor solenoid and one of the generator coils. This project is a experimental
journey in an unknown direction. The process is more important than the goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoExDExjAto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoExDExjAto)
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on December 18, 2015, 10:58:12 PM
After a remark from an insider saying that on this forum no dummies exists, I toke the video's ofline.
The GEEKS among us can watch the video's here:
Video1: introduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHxGM9872U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHxGM9872U)
Video2: resonator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkf-URwUfNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkf-URwUfNU) 
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on December 21, 2015, 01:53:37 AM
Today I was using a new circuit as driver for the EM-Resonator. It has a pulse delay at the leading edge.
It worked very well with 6Volt and lesser than half the Amp's. Here is the circuit.

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on December 22, 2015, 12:35:46 AM
@Atommix. The first post in this threath by Dom444 was about magneto mechanical resonance.
He had not the chance to work out this Idea so I do. In Reply#2 I explain why.
You don't see how to build-up field density in the EM-Resonator. That is the challenge for all the
investigators in this field. One of the limitations with mechanical devices is the low frequency at
mechanical resonance. The gain is the field density that can happen at certain moments,
like a hammer on a nail. Mechanical mass can set free huge power when you stop it in the go.
We all know the potential energy of a rotating flywheel.
I don't understand your opinion, saying that the Resonator is complex or to much.
Can you explain more? Why the question about string harmonics?
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on December 24, 2015, 01:22:35 AM
Part 3 of the video series, show's the progress made to reduce the current in the motor solonoid.
The electronic circuit has no longer a relay but a MOSFET to switch the coil. A pulse delay circuit
is build around a cd4093 IC. Although it is hard to measure the average current of a pulse wave,
I suppose my analog meter does this well. The input current is now around 35 mA, a reduction
of more than 50 percent. I wish you all an energetic Christmas and a sparkling 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok28ruG0jBw

 
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 06, 2016, 08:35:49 PM
Today I was exploring the 'strange' behavior of a permanent magnet in a pulsed solenoid. The magnet moves in a transparent tube
(BIC ballpoint) with at both ends a bump magnet. All magnets are in repel position. A video of the phenomenon will be published soon.

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 07, 2016, 02:07:13 AM
Experiments with magnets are always amazing. The reaction of permanent magnets on a pulsed solenoid are impossible to predict. In this simple test set-up I explore under what condition a permanent magnet comes to mechanical resonance. The mass of the magnet, the frequency and pulsewidth, the position of the solenoid, friction, the bump magnets at both sides of the tube, this all are parameters in a peculiar interaction of magnetic fields. The video gives a short impression of this play.
I discovered a couple of phenomena. With 2 magnets in the tube and the solenoid in the middle the magnets can move in the opposite direction like a boxermotor. No shaking anymore with a kind of gyroscopic effect. The left magnet can vibrate at a lower or higher frequency than the right magnet and opposite. The magnets can resonate at more than one frequency. Resonance can be so strong that the magnets touch each other. My question is; what about four or more magnets in a linear mechanic resonance? But that for next time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpNqSUz8Ws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpNqSUz8Ws)
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 07, 2016, 07:00:52 AM
My question is; what about four or more magnets in a linear mechanic resonance? But that for next time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpNqSUz8Ws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQpNqSUz8Ws)

maybe 3 magnets, 3 coils.
each 90-degrees from each other.
maybe stronger magnets, that can't touch each other.

[....mumble....mumble... flux capacitor.... t...me..spc....continuum....]
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 07, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
My next experiment is to explore how this electromagnetic resonator can be compared with an antenna.
Certain behavior let me think that it is comparable with what happans in a 1/2 or/1/4 lambda antenna.
I discovered that the Q-factor when magnets are in resonance is very high. I have to add a fine tuning.
May be it is comparable with standing acoustic waves. This presumptions may be wrong.
Other people think it has to do with the golden section. The position of the pulsed solenoid is very important.
Can this resonator, in resonance, throw 'extra' energy in the pick-up coils? We will see the next time.
 
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 13, 2016, 01:31:54 AM
There have been many changes made to the EM Resonator. Experiment shows that the vertical
position of the resonator is the best. That's to say; less friction, stable resonance,
use of the gravity and the least energy usage. The 2 magnets are bouncing inside the tube with
the help of gravity and the bump magnets. This 2 magnets at both sides of the tube I placed in
the hackneyed pen cap for a quick change of the magnets within the tube.
The resonator has now three bifilar wound coils:
- An activator solenoid with a 0.2 mm AWG32 and a 0.16 AWG34, 50 and 130ohm.
- Two pick-up coils with 0.12mm AWG36, 2x 320ohm per coil.
First I had to make the coil cores and wind the bifilar windings. My simple coil winder is a godsend.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns7jTKHjEZY
I did connect the bifilar windings in series, to get the maximum energy transfer.
After the attachment at the tube and the connection with the circuits, the adjustment could start.
What is the best arrangement of the magnets within the tube for the best energy transfer?
What frequency and pulswidth gives a strong resonance? How to decrease the input current?
How to increase the output voltage of the pickup coils? This are the results of the first test:
Input voltage: 6V
Input current: ~22mA (for the whole circuit!)
Output voltage, no load: AC 6V peak per coil
Output current, shortcut: 2 mA per coil
These results are not bad when you take in account the low frequency of the resonator (4Hz).
More experiments are coming to increase the output. The bifilar windings are giving me more
options to investigate than a single winded coil.

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: guest1289 on January 13, 2016, 02:56:18 AM
I did not know about this thread,   when I created  http://overunity.com/16329/oscillation-in-passive-magnetic-levitation-devices-perpetual-motionfree-energ/msg470838/#msg470838  ,   yesterday ,  my apologies. 

I will  'paste'  the only post in that thread :
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Question :
   Does the oscillation present in some( but not all )  'Passive(Non-Powered)-All-Permanent-Magnet-Magnetic-Full-Levitation-Devices'  = Perpetual-motion/Free-energy  ?

   ( The 'Mendocino Motor' levitating bearing,  is not Full-Levitation,  but you can see it is very unstable )

    (  I have seen,  and I have also designed, 'Passive(Non-Powered)-Permanent-Magnet-Magnetic-Full-Levitation-Devices' ,  I think that my designs have minimized any instability as far as possible )

     - I would of thought that if there were 0% earth-vibrations and obviously nothing else to cause other peoples bearings/levitators to be unstable,  then they would be perfectly-still,  but if they would not be perfectly-still,  then that could be   Perpetual-motion/Free-energy .

     -  If the instability/movement is Perpetual-motion/Free-energy,  you could design something to totally maximize that movement in one or more axis,  and then harness that Perpetual-motion/Free-energy,  to maybe power a small-LED-torch or other things .
--------

       My question is more theoretical,  than your actual device, but I think your research is trying to answer my question.

       (  In any real device you will always lose energy through heat or any other type of radiation,  but if the Perpetual-motion/Free-energy being harnessed by your device does exist,  then it will continue to be fed into your device  )

        (  I think Thomas-Bearden's site describes how you can fully shield wiring and components to eliminate all energy loss,  but I think you would also have to put your device into a full-vacuum )

        Your work is far too advanced for me,  I always avoid complicated and advanced things,  I cannot think that much.
     
        Your research( and device ) is very impressive .
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 14, 2016, 01:32:25 AM
This is the video what comes with my previous post here in this thread. It is the last version of the electomagnetic resonator.
Now I attached the pickup coils and did some experiments to find out about; less friction, stable resonance, use of the gravity
 and the least energy consumption. The video 'Linear Electromagnetic Resonator 5' shows it all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ9JDuUPEKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ9JDuUPEKE)

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: guest1289 on January 14, 2016, 10:33:50 PM
Your work is too advanced for me to fully understand,  especially the examination of current-properties,  and resonance/oscillation/frequency-properties .

(  Since that device has electrical input,  and you are examining the properties of the input and output currents,  I cannot fully understand the results,  since I have no experience in that area,  I can understand some of it   )

Although I think this thread may be a little bit different to a 'question' I have been wondering,   because I think you are examining  resonance/oscillation/frequency(  the name of the thread  ),  and yet whenever I look at it,  it seems the same as my question .

[  For my 'question',  there should be  no  electrical-input( or earth-vibrations ) .   
 In the following post(  http://overunity.com/16295/all-permanent-magnet-complete-levitation/msg469597/#msg469597 ) I posted some Very-Very-Simple levitation designs,  and am informed that although they could function,  they would always be unstable( or vibrate ) due to  'Earnshaw's Theorem',   so,  it occured to me that if  the instability( vibration ) would  'NOT'  be due to the vibration-from-the-earth( it always vibrates on a small scale ) then the instability( vibration ) could be due to the interaction of the magnets,   and if that is correct,  it could be Perpetual-Motion/Free-Energy,  and a  special-device could be designed to maximize the instability ( vibration ) along just one axis,  in order to harness the Perpetual-Motion/Free-Energy .   Very-Similar to your device and work .
       My  question  would be impossible to answer,  because there is no way to eliminate the vibration-from-the-earth  in order to answer it  ]

  [  Now it has made me wonder what happens when two same-magnetic-poles( N facing N ) face each other,  would the result be like two air-fans or water-hoses facing each other,  so the air/water splashes out to the sides in all kinds of random directions,  could that be harnessed as  Perpetual-Motion/Free-Energy,  could that be viewed with one of those  magnetic-field-viewers.  I assume the theorized magnetic-vortex cannot be viewed with  magnetic-field-viewers   ]

  It would be interesting how much further you could improve your results,  and it's interesting that   gravity  is a key factor in the functioning of your device (  what would a space-version look like , or could you just place your device  horizontally ),  advanced and complex
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 15, 2016, 03:27:19 PM
Thanks guest1289 for your reply. You are asking something I have to find out in the first place. At this moment I am investigating the behavior of 'free piston' magnets; how they react at each other and the bump magnets. Slight changes in the frequency and pulswidth in the induction coil can result in a kind of constructive interference in the movement of the magnets. I try to follow the principles of soundwaves in a hollow tube or the behavior of radiowaves at an antenna in order to achieve resonance. The limitation of the resonator is the mass of the magnets; resonance occurs below 10 hz. With smaller permanent magnets i can reach higher frequenties but a very small swing. 
Till now I have only done experiments to find out the best setup for the mechanical resonance of the linear magnetic resonator. The question is coming now. What are the conditions to realise self oscillation of the resonator by using magneto mechanical means? The whole system has a loss. The way I go to overcome this is the use of a high frequence (shortcut) 'switchpump' in the pickup coils. For this reason I made bifilar windings to enhance the output of the coils. This is the electric resonance pathway of the resonator.
Later I come back at this and more 'questions' about this device because I have to leave now.     
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 16, 2016, 12:46:11 AM
Back again. Guest 1289, you are wondering what happens to the flux field at the position where 2 magnets, with the north- or south poles facing, rebound. What happens to the flux field when this happens quick and strong, just before the magnets touch each other. You took the example of two fans or two water hoses opposite to each other. Air and water are free flowing, and there is gravity and pressure in play. The magnetic field is not only concentrated around the magnet but also bound to it. But is that true? I don't know. With my simple magnetic field viewer I can only see the static situation. I can imagine that things happen according to an antenna where the electromagnetic field is thrown away from the antenna into space. What I have to find out is; if and how my pickup coils act (or react) to the bouncing of two of the same poles. Does this energetic flux field flow into my coils?
All the magnets in the resonator are set in repel mode. In resonance they pass the pickup coil with maximal swing and so producing the maximal flux and output. What happens to the energy the bouncing is setting free? I have to do more investigation. Sometimes you can hear the magnets touching each other in the resonator, what power is there in play? Ever tried to push two neodymium magnets in repel together? Maybe there is another way to convert this 'extra work' to usable 'free' energy.
Berto   
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: guest1289 on January 16, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
It would be interesting to see how long your device could run on a battery,   like the  "Oxford Electric Bell" (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell,   it's oscillation frequency is 2 hertz ) which has been running since 1840,  and there is also another device .

I wonder if electricity is being wasted in your device,  in order to work against gravity,  if it was true,  could it function horizontally,  and it could just glide/levitate across a magnetic-surface,  see the image,  posted below .

Yes, your'e right of course, the magnetic-field is bound to the magnet,  and behaves like a rubber-balloon-full-of-air around the magnet,  so it can squashed and bent by other magnets .

You tried to see if there is any dynamic-movement in the fields between two same-magnetic-poles facing each other,  with your field-viewer,  and saw that the fields remain still
(  I wonder if there might be an exact middle-plane/area between two same-magnetic-poles,  facing each other, where there may be some dynamic-movement,  that might be view-able with  iron-filings( contained in a flat hollow transparent container ) between the two magnets,  or even in some type of ferrofluid  setup  )

(  Imagine two plastic-hollow-pipes,  the two pipes are placed right next to each other,   one magnet is propelled inside pipe-1 to the right-direction,  and the other magnet is propelled inside pipe-2 to the left-direction,  ( it is two same-magnetic-poles( magnets ) facing each other, N facing N, or S facing S ),   so,   as they pass each other in the middle-point of the pipes,  could that strong reaction cause the 2 magnets to  pulse-each-other,  normally,  you can only pulse a permanent-magnet using electricity ,  but,  magnets are also metal,   and one magnet,  could possible induce a strong enough brief current in another magnet to pulse it  ,  and when you electrically-pulse a magnet,  you multiply the strength of it's magnetic-field by many-many times .   )

(  So, if one normal-permanent-magnet could induce a pulse in another normal-magnet,  the pulsed magnet should emit a brief radio signal,  detectable with an antena ( or with your coils ). 
In the last few years, I learnt that radio-signals are infact composed of photons,  and of course we cannot see radio-signals because they are at the wrong frequency for us to see them.  So,  obviously,  electro-magnets,  work by using photons,   but the thing I cannot understand is,  what about normal-permanent-magnets,  there is no reason for them to emit photons,  so how do their magnetic-fields work,  and yet the fields of  electro-magnets  and  normal-permanent-magnets  seem so similar,  or the same  )

I am told that the very-simple magnetic-levitation 'design'  in the diagram below,  could work,  but it would not be stable-levitation, it would be continuously-vibrating,  because  'Earnshaw's Theorem' proved in his mathematics that it would be continuously-vibrating ( even if,  the vibration may be very hard for a person to see ),  so,  if Earnshaw proved that the vibration would continue, until the magnets wear out,  then surely  that would be a  magnet-motor,  which is 'Proven' by 'Samuel Earnshaw' .
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 16, 2016, 06:51:20 PM
(  So, if one normal-permanent-magnet could induce a pulse in another normal-magnet,  the pulsed magnet should emit a brief radio signal,  detectable with an antena ( or with your coils ). 
In the last few years, I learnt that radio-signals are infact composed of photons,  and of course we cannot see radio-signals because they are at the wrong frequency for us to see them.  So,  obviously,  electro-magnets,  work by using photons,   but the thing I cannot understand is,  what about normal-permanent-magnets,  there is no reason for them to emit photons,  so how do their magnetic-fields work,  and yet the fields of  electro-magnets  and  normal-permanent-magnets  seem so similar,  or the same  )
Not photons, in the way we think of light, but more similar to an energy-packet analysis of a photon.
It is still energy radiation, by classical definition, but does not contain many of the aspects we attribute to visible light.

the space around a moving magnet experiences a flux, or change in magnetic intensity, with respect to the ambient field.
without an inductor present(in a different inertial frame of reference) to experience this flux, theres no real "change" in energy.
The exception to this, would be the interaction with another field.
For instance, here on earth, a moving magnet is opposed by or contributed to by, the Earth's ambient field.


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I am told that the very-simple magnetic-levitation 'design'  in the diagram below,  could work,  but it would not be stable-levitation, it would be continuously-vibrating,  because  'Earnshaw's Theorem' proved in his mathematics that it would be continuously-vibrating ( even if,  the vibration may be very hard for a person to see ),  so,  if Earnshaw proved that the vibration would continue, until the magnets wear out,  then surely  that would be a  magnet-motor,  which is 'Proven' by 'Samuel Earnshaw' .

I'm not sure a motor analogy applies here. At least, not in the sense of a usable force.
The force causing the motion in a quasi-stable levitation event, is very small.
close to the moment of inertia of the levitating object.
This presents no usable excess force to be obtained from said motion.
To interfere with it, would change the force and vector of the vibration.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: guest1289 on January 16, 2016, 08:46:00 PM
I'm not sure a motor analogy applies here. At least, not in the sense of a usable force.
The force causing the motion in a quasi-stable levitation event, is very small.
close to the moment of inertia of the levitating object.
This presents no usable excess force to be obtained from said motion.

Yes, but I was thinking that if you designed a device to magnify/multiply the vibration( probably along only 1 axis),  and it achieved that, only through it's non-powered geometric design,  then it could be usable. 
  A 1metre straight stick, with an axle running through the stick( the axle placed at 10cm from one end of the stick ) could magnify/multiply small movements,   now,  replace that axle with some type of passive-magnetic-bearing or similar contactless-passive-magnetic-device.

sm0ky2
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To interfere with it, would change the force and vector of the vibration.
That gave me a strange idea,  that if you have an object passively-levitating,  but levitating by being heavily compressed in between two seperate magnetic forces,  then it's vibration as a result of being contactlessly compressed in between the two seperate magnetic forces,  might make it strong enough to make it usable,  even if the tiny-distances that it vibrates,  are the same as the tiny-distances that the same object would  vibrate  if it would merely be  passively-levitating  above a single magnetic-field .   
(  The compression,  could make the vibration stronger,  but does a stronger vibration also mean that the tiny-distances it vibrates,  would increase ,  I don't know  )

I had been thinking that another design,  for a device to harness the tiny-vibrations,  might look very similar to the same  device  built and demonstrated functioning in this actual thread,   since it works just along one axis ,  but it's too difficult for me to figure out how it would be adapted/modified .

Either way, my idea,  is not easy
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 16, 2016, 09:04:46 PM

That gave me a strange idea,  that if you have an object passively-levitating,  but levitating by being heavily compressed in between two seperate magnetic forces,  then it's vibration as a result of being contactlessly compressed in between the two seperate magnetic forces,  might make it strong enough to make it usable,  even if the tiny-distances that it vibrates,  are the same as the tiny-distances that the same object would  vibrate  if it would merely be  passively-levitating  above a single magnetic-field .   
(  The compression,  could make the vibration stronger,  but does a stronger vibration also mean that the tiny-distances it vibrates,  would increase ,  I don't know  )


you are getting close to the answer.
The force increases as the distance Decreases.
so, the more you confine, or restrict this motion with the opposing field(s),
the shorter the distance becomes, it increases in intensity, and in most cases, frequency....

you have to remember, this is all a function of the cumulative effects of tiny atomic magnetic moments.
in its' simplest form, where the "magnets" consisted of triatoms of iron atoms, that were magnetized.
such distances and frequencies could theoretically approach the resonant frequency of iron itself.
This is in the Ghz range, hundreds of times greater than the microwave frequency we cook our food with.
almost approaching the range of visible light.
which gives iron its dark color.
an atomic metal with a higher resonant frequency, such as copper, has a more luminescent appearance.

everything has a frequency at which it naturally resonates, related to the energies, distances involved, boundary points, etc.
Tesla knew at least two ways to excite an oscillator to cause a great build-up in potentials.
One based on the length of the steel beam
The other based on the resonance of the iron that composed the steel.
Both were demonstrated.

Hitler discovered that when you relate frequency and resonance to all things, everything is united along a common measurement.
Much of our science that came post WWII, is based on some of these principals.
Even the atomic bomb, or a nuclear power plant.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 18, 2016, 03:14:31 AM
In part 6 of the EM Resonator videoblog I show you a strange behavior by the use of a repulsion magnet.
Suddenly, at a higher frequency, exact 20 Hz, the pickup coil was producing a perfect triangle waveform.
Beside that  the supply voltage was sinking, by resonance, from 22 mA to 14 mA by some inexplicable reason.
More explorations have to be done, but this phenomenon is puzzling me. More to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCP3gDmouKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCP3gDmouKY)



Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 18, 2016, 06:26:11 AM
In part 6 of the EM Resonator videoblog I show you a strange behavior by the use of a repulsion magnet.
Suddenly, at a higher frequency, exact 20 Hz, the pickup coil was producing a perfect triangle waveform.
Beside that  the supply voltage was sinking, by resonance, from 22 mA to 14 mA by some inexplicable reason.
More explorations have to be done, but this phenomenon is puzzling me. More to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCP3gDmouKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCP3gDmouKY)

excellent display of a resonant node!!
You should try to find a higher node, maybe around 200Hz?
may have to scale up or down a touch to find it , but now you see and know what to look for.

I'm a little confused when you say the Voltage sank by 8 milliAmperes?
anyways, nice video.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 18, 2016, 01:30:51 PM
I'm a little confused when you say the Voltage sank by 8 milliAmperes?
I don't know what makes the current draw happen. That is what I have to figure out today.
The 'normal' motor core magnet gives feedback to the motor coil, that I noted already.
It generates current back in the pulse coil. The behavior of the 'repel magnet' in the
pickup coil is new to me.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: guest1289 on January 18, 2016, 05:18:33 PM
In the following ,  I incorrectly refer to conductors emitting photons,  I only type that to make it easier to understand .

The motion of the electrons creates the magnetic-force in permanent-magnets  and  electromagnets .

   [    I got it wrong a 2 days ago,  I thought that the electrical-current in a conductor,  which causes the conductor to emit photons ( or the material that photons are made of,  you can't see it since it is at a different frequency to light, and may have other different properties ),     I thought that that emission of material is what the magnetic-field is composed of.  So I could not understand how permanent-magnets  work,  they have no reason to emit the photons( or the material that photons are made of  .    ]

     However,  I just remembered that an electron has an  electric-field,  and when the electron spins in orbit,  it must magnify or multiply the field,  or something else resulting from it's motion.
     So,  what happens in the electromagnet is that the electrical-current merely polarizes the electron spin orbits in all the atoms( or the atoms themselves ) in the conductor ,   merely turning the conductor into a temporary magnet .
      So,  now I understand how a permanent-magnet  works,   the field is made of the spinning electric-fields of the the spinning-electrons,  ( the orbits of all the atoms are polarized ),  and,  isn't the  electric-field  and  the  magnetic-field  unified  in  the  'theory of relativity'  or another of einstein's  main  theories,  I think it is the   'theory of relativity'  .

(  I knew it before, but had forgotten it )

   [  UPDATE :  I also just remembered, or I could be wrong,  that electrons give of a photon( or the material that photons are made of ) as they go from one energy-level to another energy-level( eg. from a low altitude orbit to a high altitude orbit ),  and I wonder how often they give of these photons( photon material ),  because the electrons and the atoms-core must be hit by photons( photon material ) very regularly,  so  I guess that either,   the electrons-electric-field works by the emission and receivable of photons( or photon material ),  or it's not connected to the   electrons-electric-field    ]
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 19, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
From now on I have to do the self running test of the EM Resonator. For that reason I use super capacitors.
Watching the diagram, you see beside the 6V battery 3 super caps ,of 3F-2.7V each, in series.
When the capacitors have a higher voltage than the battery, the diode stops the flow back to the battery.
Beside that the battery does not feed the circuit anymore, the current meter drops to zero miliAmps.
The resistor of 39 ohm reduces the current by recharging the capacitors. When the capacitors are charged,
the circuit runs now for about half a minute before the voltage drops below run level.
The Royal Art of the alchemist is, to spin solely on the capacities. The art is to improve the generated output.
We live in interesting times... says Nicolas Flamel. From now on I must persevere and be patient.

 
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: TinselKoala on January 20, 2016, 11:05:51 PM
If you really want the magnet assembly to oscillate at the true mechanical resonant frequency, you should consider using some kind of sensor (Hall effect, optical, pickup coil, etc) that will trigger the first stage of your Schmitt-trigger NAND chip from the actual motion of the magnet, rather than having it controlled by the RC oscillator's variable resistor. This feedback loop will then assure that your assembly automatically seeks and maintains oscillation at the self-resonant frequency. I'd suggest keeping the pulse-width control in place so that you can "trim" the power supplied to the solenoid for best performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGmbN1CzmsQ
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 21, 2016, 12:34:19 AM
@ TinselKoala, nice linear piezo impact generator video! Thanks for the hints. In part 3 of my video blog you can see the use of reed switches
in the first resonator. I agree that this feedback works fine to keep the fixed magnets in tune. In the vertical resonator I explore
the interaction between the 'free flying' magnets. For that reason I prefer now a 'fixed' pulse oscillator because the wide sweep of frequenties.
Yes, the pulsewidth powertrim is an important tool. Nice to chat with an insider;-) Maybe I can use the generator coil as feedback sensor.
Did you, after the MescalMotor, go on with experiments on a linear system? I think linear systems are not quite explored. Making and testing
a linear motor-generator device is more easy than rotational systems. Also the sound feedback is of a different kind. Berto
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: how2 on January 22, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
Earlier, you  tried to detect if the  magnetic-fields  between  2 permanent-magnets,   move( are dynamic ),  using a field-viewer.

It may be that the  2 magnets  would  have to be far enough from each other,  for their  magnetic-fields  to sometimes join up,  or collide,  depending on whether it is N-S,  or N-N.

The reason I am thinking this is because of  http://physics.aps.org/story/v9/st30
_________

Also,  two magnets bouncing against each other using repulsion( without touching ),  could they possibly be inducing a small electric-current  in each other,  and as a result of the electric current,  could their  magnetic-field   increases  slightly ( like pulsing a magnet ),  a possible source of  free-energy( or not ) .
   (  I am putting this in a different thread,  because I have some unusual similar questions )
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 22, 2016, 06:28:21 PM
in a vertical set-up, for the system to achieve a true resonance,...
the size of the magnets must be different, to account for the force of gravity.

a larger magnet below, and smaller above. If the ratio is appropriate, gravity can be completely opposed in the vertical range of motion.
allowing for a purely magnetic response.

for the ease of experiment, I recommend using a horizontal set-up, like the one TK showed in the Piezo video.

When you consider the energy of gravity vs the EM field,... gravity always wins, by just a little... (heat, em radiation etc.)

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 22, 2016, 06:32:35 PM
also, just a side though.....

it may be useful to consider the frequency vs the range of motion,..
i.e. "wavelength", or something along those lines......
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 23, 2016, 07:36:20 PM
The years are counting; my eyesight is becoming bad. That is for a tinkerer, like me, too bad.
Nobody here on this forum is complaining about age and health; but I do. Today I was making
a new coil system for the resonator. It was an effort to see the lines and the copper wires sharp.
This week I tested the EM Resonator intensive with 2 big (generator) pickup coils. They are bifilar
coiled with thin AWG36 wire. One pickup coil is 2 x 320 Ohm 40mH. All windings in series are
producing about 2.5V DC. The shortcut current is some mA. This is not the way to go.
To catch more flux in the coils I had to make a 'real' linear generator coil stack. The coils became
more flat (no pancakes) and the wire thicker AWG32. The stack contains 7 coils with space in-between.
I hope that this single winded small coils, 10 Ohm, 1.5mH each, have a better output.
At least they will better catch the flux from the fast, free flying magnets inside the resonator.
Here some photo's from the coil factory.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 25, 2016, 07:42:45 PM
Last week I was testing the Resonator on output power. The pickup coils are producing not enough energy.
I realized that I had to make new generator coils. This became a stack of seven small coils spread over 6 cm.
Motor and the generator circuits are now on separated breadboards. The use of super capacitors improve
the puls power in the motor coil. This you can see and hear in the video when I switch the caps on.
I was very curious what the output power of the coil stack was doing. The first testst were disappointing.
All coils in series arouse lesser power than the single coils in series. I think the coil wire is to thick, AWG32.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n50dPf4PyFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n50dPf4PyFc)

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on January 28, 2016, 02:48:10 AM
Do Heinrich Kunel's procedures and devices for energy production actually work?
To find out I take a small dodge from the resonator to investigate his motionless generators.
All the materials, electronics and measuring tools are ready to check out his claim for overunity.
His drawings I saw so often, that now the time has come to build and test this energy device.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on February 05, 2016, 02:22:49 PM
DIY GAUSS METER.

Looking for a Gaussmeter for my projects on internet, I saw prices of more than hunderd Euro. There are just a few DIY meters on internet
but of poor quality. So, I had to make my own one. The circuit is simple to replicate by the use of a Linear Ratiometric Hall Effect Sensor,
the SS495A from Honeywell (2.50Euro). For the display I choose a mini digital panel voltmeter(2.50Euro). The window comperator is made
with a LM339 IC. There is only one trimpot to calibrate the offset between the North (Red LED) and South (Green LED).
The Hall sensor I made on top of an aluminium tube; this probe can be separated of the box for tests on difficult places.
A voltage readout on the display can easily be recalculated to the Gauss or Tesla unit for magnetic induction or flux.
In the video I will show some examples of the use of this handy tool for the electronic workshop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWQT8NCzk8
 
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on February 20, 2016, 12:45:18 AM
For my experiments with the Kunel replication I needed a sinus-cosinus coil driver. This kind of circuit is hard to find on the internet.
Many circuits work with on/off or pulse width modulation to drive a Mosfet. Analog circuits is another chapter. Working with setpoint
and gain is not that simple as one and zero's. The circuit I made is not perfect but is good enough for the effect I want to investigate.
The digital sinus I leave rough without smoothing. Beside the sinus a lot of spikes and noise is inducted in the coils, thats fine for
harvesting some extra juice. When using this circuit the magnetic flux is strong, inducing much more output than only square wave's.
The circuit works on 5V and pulls 40mA by a frequence of 200Hz. LED's lights bright. Tomorrow I test the Kunel setup. A video follows.

Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: Berto3 on February 26, 2016, 04:27:20 PM
This are the halftime results of a linear test setup at a linear transformer. You can see the oscilloscope images at primary and
secundary coils. The original digital sinus is not recognisable anymore. The super caps are not supplied with enough current
out of the secundary coils to make the circuit selfrunning. But I am quit near. Now still that 'exotic' extra energy.


Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: dom444 on September 28, 2017, 08:31:17 AM
excellent work berto3 I have been away for a while so missed all this,  I did experiment with the mechanical resonator arm but could not find a suitable material with right property's had the same problem very
slow resonance speed  need spring steel just right strength to get fast resonance.

in your device should maybe  try  ferrite magnet for the moving magnet its a bit  lighter in weight would give faster pulses i would think and next logical thing is to pull a vacuum in the glass tube will give even less friction
and faster movement by stopping the air compression in the stroke .
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: LabDeSyn on September 29, 2017, 01:23:03 PM
Thank you dom444. My login name has changed from berto3 to labdesyn. I arranged a new workshop at home with the name Laboratoire de Synth├ęse . I like to build new test set ups, so more energy projects are coming up.
The problem with the electro-mechanical resonator is indeed the low resonance frequency due to the mass of the magnets.
I tried to avoid, as much as possible, friction by a vertical use of the (plastic)tube. A clever use of gravity can help to enhance
the efficiency. May be I will pick-up that project later again but first a validation test setup of a counter rotating rotor/stator.
Next month I go to publish the outcome of that investigation in an other topic at this forum. Here already a picture.
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: profitis on September 29, 2017, 10:57:20 PM
Gerty
Title: Re: Magnetic mechanical Resonance ideas
Post by: dom444 on October 01, 2017, 02:49:25 AM
Very good it would be interesting to see what would happen in a vacuum situation with no air to act as a limiting force and you just have the magnetic forces working against each other with little friction.