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Author Topic: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's  (Read 8095 times)

Offline little ken

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Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« on: October 11, 2015, 12:11:31 AM »
Help from the experts please,,,just trying new ideas ,,,thanks

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2015, 09:57:12 PM »
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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 05:20:58 AM »
Help from the experts please,,,...
Before they show up, these are the sticky spots I see. I do like the general idea you are using though. May just be a timing thing.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 05:20:58 AM »
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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 10:53:38 AM »
Hi Ken,
No expert here but I agree with MagnaProp on the sticky spots.
If the stator magnets were on spring loaded pivots and there were cam lobes on the rotor to push away those 2 stator magnets and once past the sticky spot they return to their original position, you would think it would work.
But I never could get it to.
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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 01:06:31 PM »
Oh yes, i tried this one too. It also at some moments moves by the field lines. It works almost as well as the field lines chain https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 , that is, seems to provide some overunity, but only after you make the angles exactly right. Use the same method i used to measure the energies, and please publish the results. But again, it doesn't overcome friction, and thus doesn't continuously rotate.

There is always some negative forces, in the field lines chain as well. Just, moving by field lines may provide more energy than is lost because of these negative forces. No springs or pins or anything cannot be used, this takes all energy. And no tricks help, moving magnets, rotating magnets, magnet shielding. There is no other way to get any overunity than by moving by field lines.

I think finding that slight overunity in permanent magnets is great, it shows that there may also be some overunity in the induction of some kind. But most simply ignore such minor thing, no continuous rotation, no holy grail and no socializing with evil people.

And please replicate the experiments.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 01:06:31 PM »
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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2015, 02:08:04 PM »
Oh yes, i tried this one too. It also at some moments moves by the field lines. It works almost as well as the field lines chain https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 , that is, seems to provide some overunity, but only after you make the angles exactly right. Use the same method i used to measure the energies, and please publish the results. But again, it doesn't overcome friction, and thus doesn't continuously rotate.

There is always some negative forces, in the field lines chain as well. Just, moving by field lines may provide more energy than is lost because of these negative forces. No springs or pins or anything cannot be used, this takes all energy. And no tricks help, moving magnets, rotating magnets, magnet shielding. There is no other way to get any overunity than by moving by field lines.

I think finding that slight overunity in permanent magnets is great, it shows that there may also be some overunity in the induction of some kind. But most simply ignore such minor thing, no continuous rotation, no holy grail and no socializing with evil people.

And please replicate the experiments.


Total sum of momentum must be zero in all static machines. If you apply force you create imbalance of momentum which is soon compensated after force is removed. That means magnetic motors can work only in two situations:
- there is external force applied continously (gravity,electric motor, electromagnet)
- two parts of magnetic motor run in opposite direction having the same but opposite momentum or one part is vibrating or moving linearly compensating the momentum of other parts

Offline little ken

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 04:02:06 PM »
Before they show up, these are the sticky spots I see. I do like the general idea you are using though. May just be a timing thing.

Thank you MagnaProp for your reply, is there any type of material that could interrupt or reduce the sticking points. I have made a few improvements to the idea i will post later today or tomorrow.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
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Offline little ken

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 04:08:39 PM »
Hi Ken,
No expert here but I agree with MagnaProp on the sticky spots.
If the stator magnets were on spring loaded pivots and there were cam lobes on the rotor to push away those 2 stator magnets and once past the sticky spot they return to their original position, you would think it would work.
But I never could get it to.
artv

Thank you shylo yes i was also thinking this also, i know it would take some energy for the device but my idea was more of a spinning interrupter i will update the drawings soon. i know there will be faults in this design but i want to explore the idea.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2015, 04:10:47 PM »
Oh yes, i tried this one too. It also at some moments moves by the field lines. It works almost as well as the field lines chain https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 , that is, seems to provide some overunity, but only after you make the angles exactly right. Use the same method i used to measure the energies, and please publish the results. But again, it doesn't overcome friction, and thus doesn't continuously rotate.

There is always some negative forces, in the field lines chain as well. Just, moving by field lines may provide more energy than is lost because of these negative forces. No springs or pins or anything cannot be used, this takes all energy. And no tricks help, moving magnets, rotating magnets, magnet shielding. There is no other way to get any overunity than by moving by field lines.

I think finding that slight overunity in permanent magnets is great, it shows that there may also be some overunity in the induction of some kind. But most simply ignore such minor thing, no continuous rotation, no holy grail and no socializing with evil people.

And please replicate the experiments.

Thank you ayeaye for the link watching and learning.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2015, 04:10:47 PM »
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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2015, 04:14:36 PM »

Total sum of momentum must be zero in all static machines. If you apply force you create imbalance of momentum which is soon compensated after force is removed. That means magnetic motors can work only in two situations:
- there is external force applied continously (gravity,electric motor, electromagnet)
- two parts of magnetic motor run in opposite direction having the same but opposite momentum or one part is vibrating or moving linearly compensating the momentum of other parts

Thank you forest i will always try to keep this in mind.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2015, 05:03:33 PM »
No... magnet shielding. There is no other way to get any overunity than by moving by field lines.


shielding in the conventional sense, is futile. 
However, as H.J. taught us, shielding, and/or the combination of differing magnetic and paramagnetic materials in the proper arrangement,
CAN change the shape, location, and "behavior" of field lines, or "lines of force", thus changing the interaction between magnets.

I agree with your way of thinking.  If we don't pay attention to the field lines, we are lost.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2015, 05:03:33 PM »
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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2015, 05:28:01 PM »
Free floating magnets

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2015, 06:33:45 PM »
I have done a gif its not very good but hopefully it will give an idea.

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 08:05:49 PM »
Improved gif

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Re: Magnet Motor,,,,Just sharing idea's
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2015, 08:08:11 PM »
shielding in the conventional sense, is futile. 
However, as H.J. taught us, shielding, and/or the combination of differing magnetic and paramagnetic materials in the proper arrangement,
CAN change the shape, location, and "behavior" of field lines, or "lines of force", thus changing the interaction between magnets.

I agree with your way of thinking.  If we don't pay attention to the field lines, we are lost.

Thank you sm0ky, could i ask who is H.J. please..

 

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