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Moab

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2007, 09:00:26 PM »
Thanks gaby. Now i know there IS a moon! i seen ol GW standing on it. :o)

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2007, 10:05:25 PM »
G'day all,

I don't know if anyone actually set foot on the moon, I wasn't there.

One thing I am certain of, they DID fly there! The idea that they never made it out of earth's orbit is ridiculous. There were a number of stations that were tracking the spacecraft as it was on it's way and on the return journey. Many of them outside the sphere of influence of the US.

The Soviet Union would have loved to show that the spacecraft was broadcasting from Earth's orbit. When it comes to the actual surface of the moon we cannot tell where the astronauts were as the Moon orbiting spacecraft was relaying the broadcast from the surface and all signals received on earth could only be tracked to there.

Just my two cent's worth

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2007, 02:59:11 PM »
I dont know why you think there was never a moon landing Hartiberlin.

Firstly, the question is whether they went to the moon, not whether the module was controllable enough to land with.
A. I am sure you know, the moon has lower gravity, so whatever fails on earth doesnt mean it will fail on the moon, the landing mechanisms would need less force to land, and it would be more responsive to control efforts.
B. If the Germans could help US secret projects figure out how to lift off a several hundreds tons rocket into space, I seriously doubt they were having problems trying to stabilize a landing propulsion system.
C. you dont even need a dang module man, we are talking about late 1960s here, USA had FLYING UFOs!!; who gives a flying 'u know wat' if they didnt put their brightest engineers on the landing systems; they knew it wouldnt matter. MAYBE they just took everything to the moon via a UFO,and FILMED it there, and then packed up and came back.

Secondly, there are artifacts left on the moon that relay back scientific information to earth, there is also a mirror on the moon that lets scientists track the moon's distance from earth with lasers. If you want further proof, point any large enough telescope in the direction of the landing sites.

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2007, 03:35:00 PM »
If you want further proof, point any large enough telescope in the direction of the landing sites.
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I believe we did go to the moon, and also faked parts.  No land-based telescope will have the resolution to image the sites, but Japan has successfully launched a satellite which is scheduled to image these sites.  So if all goes well, we actually might get some images, independent of NASA(Never A Straight Answer).

http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/sat/selene/index_e.html

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2007, 09:05:53 PM »
at moon's Perigee = 363,300 km
at moon's Apogee = 405,500 km

if a military satellite can image a license plate on earth from 20,000 km, I fail to see your point. With current technology, there is enough ability to get good resolution of the moon. Of course we don't need to see foot prints to find evidence of human activity on the moon.

There are plenty of large telescopes on earth that can give a decent resolution. The largest optical telescopes are in the range of approx. 10meters. Thats huge. If i can get a decent high quality moon image from a 500mm dslr camera, imagine what a 10meter telescope can do.

the question is who is willing to get that funding to rent one of these beauties, and if the govt will even allow this moon pointing in the first place.

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hartiberlin

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2007, 10:20:05 PM »
Here is an interesting discussion of the first released Japanese
"low res" images from the moon:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread308517/pg1

I wonder, why the Japanese couldn?t getter higher res images yet ?

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2007, 10:58:25 PM »
G'day Stefan and all,

I thought the reason for the poor picture quality was obvious. It cost too much to launch the satellite. There was not enough money left in the budget to buy a decent camera so a second hand Brownie had to do. :-)

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2007, 02:17:24 AM »
Here are 4 pages full of photos,
that prove, that they astronauts were still
on the earth when these pics were taken...

http://www.fast-geheim.de/html/apollo.html

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2007, 06:18:49 PM »
Harti, comon man,

If i think about this over and over as i did a few years ago, i realize that all this shadow and lighting evidence is not really definite proof. I did model experiments about this in high school; I found that their are too many variables that can explain the reason for the shadows being in slightly different angles. This is also explained very well in one recent documentary. They even do full scale experiments to show this. Terrain, wide angle, surface reflections, etc.

Maybe the modules did have artificial lighting, I would think thats the first thing they would put on the modules. I am also sure some images have been edited; obviously.

As for the flag waving; It is hard to say, but the best and definite way to prove it one way or another is to do an experiment in a vacuum chamber. Think about it, why would they allow such a video to become official public knowledge if they knew how objects react in vacuum? If it was a filmed footage on earth, they would simply make a flag that was rigid or do a retake!

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2007, 09:19:42 PM »
The best examples are the studio lights seen on the ceiling,
the floating shaking plate in the wind at the lander ladder,
the photo of the lander module already away ( who took this photo,
when the astronaus were already gone ??),
the nonstable lander module,who always crashed on earth..
and many more...

You can not discuss these things just away !

The whole thing was a big fake !

Okay,maybe they flew around the moon and then back,
really depends how really strong is the van Allan belt in radiation...

but the videos we saw in those years were definately not
from onsite the moon....

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2007, 09:28:24 PM »
Who took this picture,
when the astronauts have already left the moon ????


(http://www.fast-geheim.de/assets/images/Apollo16.jpg)

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2007, 09:55:38 PM »
Well fellows,  If no-one has been on the moon so far where did the moon rocks come from? From an ancient Egyptian tomb perhaps?

The rocks are real, they have been examined by a number of universities around the world and they are different to what we find here on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2007, 10:00:15 PM »
Well fellows,  If no-one has been on the moon so far where did the moon rocks come from? From an ancient Egyptian tomb perhaps?

The rocks are real, they have been examined by a number of universities around the world and they are different to what we find here on Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock

Hans von Lieven

They retrieve moon rocks from the arctic regions all the time.  Its easy there to spot them against the white snow.  If you find meteorites or these type of rocks, you can sell them for good amounts of money, depending on where they came from.

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2007, 10:00:35 PM »
Afternoon all -

I've done a lot of research into these issues, and according to insiders who would know - they actually did land on the moon.

They just faked the method of transport - and the time of arrival.

Apparently the landing took place in the early 60's using back engineered technology gleaned from numerous alien crashes, which mostly occurred as a result of lightening strikes.

Regards