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Author Topic: Was the moon landing for real ???  (Read 51292 times)

Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2007, 07:14:50 PM »
Also, the Wikipedia article below contains many convincing refutations of the most popular reasons for believing the Moon Landings were staged, from the waving flag, to Van Allen belts, to missing stars, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2007, 02:49:27 AM »

Regarding the Van Allen Belt, here is what the Wikipedia has to say:

"Solar cells, integrated circuits, and sensors can be damaged by radiation. In 1962, the Van Allen belts were temporarily amplified by a high-altitude nuclear explosion (the Starfish Prime test) and several satellites ceased operation. Geomagnetic storms occasionally damage electronic components on spacecraft. Miniaturization and digitization of electronics and logic circuits have made satellites more vulnerable to radiation, as incoming ions may be as large as the circuit's charge. Electronics on satellites must be hardened against radiation to operate reliably. The Hubble Space Telescope, among other satellites, often has its sensors turned off when passing through regions of intense radiation."

It seems like the Van Allen belts can cause harm to certain electronics under certain circumstances.  Why do you believe it is fatal to human beings?

Because the radiation is much higher than said in Wikipedia !
The small size capsule metal would not shield it enough !

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On the moon landings, why would they fake it six times?  On one hand we have tons evidence from six separate moon missions - video transmissions, photographs, audio recordings, moon rocks, and of course the testimony of hundreds.  On the other hand we have your opinion that NASA's best engineers were never able to solve the landing problem.  How do you know they never solved it?  Just because we have videos of failures does not mean success was never achieved. 

Show me a video of a sucessful test on earth of the landing module!

When I saw as a kid in 1969
already the first start from the moon back into orbit,
I already wondered, how good they got this transmitted to earth and that the camera
zoomed up to the sky catching the landing module flying upwards
and it did not show any rocket?s exhaust and looked like being pulled up by a string !

It made me already think with being 8 years old that something was wrong here...
I never forgot about this..

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2007, 02:53:06 AM »
Also, the Wikipedia article below contains many convincing refutations of the most popular reasons for believing the Moon Landings were staged, from the waving flag, to Van Allen belts, to missing stars, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_accusations

I hope the upcoming Japanese moon mission will
show photo evidence of this ,but maybe these photos will
also be manipulated ?

I also don?t believe, that Hubble could not get at least some small zoomed up
images of the landing site...
I guess it is a lie, that it can only take resolution of up the 60 Meters objects...

If it would be such a low resolution, how can it catch galaxies outside our own milkyway
galaxy ?

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2007, 03:16:17 AM »
Have a look at this video,
if they still have today these problems
by crashing landers, do you think NASA
was able to do it in 1969 ??

http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=071029xpc07_ng_llc_summary

Also I saw a video were a guy was going to a NASA museum and
measuring actually in an old landing module there on display and said,
that the entrance room of the lander module  was so small, so that the astronauts never could
change out of their suits and oxygen tanks on their back there...

Offline armagdn03

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2007, 03:21:57 AM »
I consider myself an intelligent individual (this has yet to be decided! ???) but one thing I have come to learn is peoples willingness to believe in things contrary to what they are told. I think there is a little conspiracy theorist in all of us. Any free thinking individual SHOULD question EVERYTHING they are told.,,,,, Even conspiracies.

This being said. I had to question the evidence presented here.

It seems to me that what has been presented is in fact a plausible explanation. but that does not mean its the only explanation!

I have my own theories, but I will not state them, because I do not have an agenda ( people will do doubtedly claim I do!)

I would though encourage you to see the evedance, and consider not only what is presented, but also consider all possible outcomes that this evidence leads to.

Life is not always black and white, right or wrong.

Do a mental experiment, considering what you have seen. And "knowing" its not a fake, try and prove the conspiracy "nuts" wrong. Its just as easy.

Does this make your knew hypothesis correct? not really. Not at all. Its a crap shoot.

That being said. What the hell happened on 9/11?????????????????????????????
You have to be absolutely blind to believe the "official" story! We live in the age of information!
nough said. 

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
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Offline armagdn03

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2007, 03:25:47 AM »
Have a look at this video,
if they still have today these problems
by crashing landers, do you think NASA
was able to do it in 1969 ??

http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=071029xpc07_ng_llc_summary

Also I saw a video were a guy was going to a NASA museum and
measuring actually in an old landing module there on display and said,
that the entrance room of the lander module  was so small, so that the astronauts never could
change out of their suits and oxygen tanks on their back there...


Harti

This is an "armature" challenge presented for new ideas, the modules presented are by independent contractors. Too many variables to make sound judgement.

Offline Koen1

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2007, 05:08:43 PM »
Most of the video links are dead...
does anyone have working video links to all the vids named in the posts of this thread?

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2007, 06:06:49 PM »
Have a look at this video,
if they still have today these problems
by crashing landers, do you think NASA
was able to do it in 1969 ??

http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=071029xpc07_ng_llc_summary

Also I saw a video were a guy was going to a NASA museum and
measuring actually in an old landing module there on display and said,
that the entrance room of the lander module  was so small, so that the astronauts never could
change out of their suits and oxygen tanks on their back there...


Harti

This is an "armature" challenge presented for new ideas, the modules presented are by independent contractors. Too many variables to make sound judgement.

Yes, but please show me a video ofthe actual landing capsule tested on earth which did work !?

I did not find anyone !

And surely it must have been tested prior to going to the moon,
right ?
So show me a video, where the actual moon landing capsule starts and goes up at least 50 Meters on its own
and is not supplied on a string for holding it straight and is stable in the air.
Thanks.

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2007, 06:40:49 PM »

On the moon landings, why would they fake it six times?  On one hand we have tons evidence from six separate moon missions - video transmissions, photographs, audio recordings, moon rocks, and of course the testimony of hundreds.  On the other hand we have your opinion that NASA's best engineers were never able to solve the landing problem.  How do you know they never solved it?  Just because we have videos of failures does not mean success was never achieved. 

Why not fake it six times?  When a con works and makes you millions of dollars AND you get away with it... why not?

I hate to disagree with you - but what ton of evidence are you talking about?  I believe you are not thinking logically.  Let's forget me proving they were fake... let's see what evidence you have.

video transmissions... how do you prove they were from the moon?  You can't.

photos... audio... same thing - could have been from anywhere.  You tell me how you know they were taken on the moon.

moon rocks?  well IF they are moon rocks... and how do you prove that - then how do you know apollo astronauts picked them up and brought them home?

Testimony of 100's of people??  NASA sent these men up in a rocket into orbit.  After that - they only saw and heard what was relayed to them.  The ONLY people who know FOR SURE what they did in space are the astronauts... and whoever else was required (on a need to know basis) to participate in relaying transmissions to NASA.

And please take special care to read this:
Your last statement sort of explains where you are coming from.  You simply believe the moon landing were real because you were told they were real.  And that's ok - if you don't mind being fooled from time to time.
But I don't appreciate you saying I'm "out there" because I demand proof.  And I just made a list of the ton of proof - and none of it is real proof.
the only shred of evidence is when an astronaut says he went to the moon.  And I'll ask you again to watch them interviewed and then tell me how you would vote if you were on a jury after seeing the reactions to questions.

And how about telling me what I got wrong about the nazis that are still trying to take over the world... instead of just calling me a nut.

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2007, 03:38:24 AM »
What do you guys think about these two photos, imposed.  Not only does it show the flag not waving, but it would be impossible for this to occur on Earth.

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2007, 03:43:58 AM »
they are wind on moon too anyway. so putting a hacked flags that does not move prove nothing

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2007, 03:52:38 AM »
they are wind on moon too anyway. so putting a hacked flags that does not move prove nothing

I realize English is probably not your first language, but I must ask for clarification.  Are you saying there is wind on the moon?  How is that possible without atmosphere?

In addition, the furling flag is a big argument by the proponents of the fake moon landing theory.  Either the flag was real and furling, or it was fake and not furling, not both.

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2007, 03:56:23 AM »
Also, what about the reflector array in the Sea of Tranquility that is used by scientists to measure the distance between the Earth and the Moon and also the Moon's rotation and orbit?

http://funphysics.jpl.nasa.gov/technical/grp/lunar-laser.html

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Re: Was the moon landing for real ???
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2007, 04:09:26 AM »
they are a tiny atmosphere on the moon, john lear talked about that many time, NASA = disinformation, dont believe any word they say....

 

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