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Title: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 19, 2015, 01:46:37 AM
Hello All,

After many hours and prototypes I discover the secrets of the Clem Engine.

I'm not going to explain it at this time, I believe a prototype is needed to back up my claim.

For now I will just post this simple Clem Engine design that gave me the final answer to a self running Clem engine.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 19, 2015, 01:54:44 AM
This is the Clem Engine claim from the past.

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemindex.htm

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MagnaProp on September 19, 2015, 02:12:01 AM
...I'm not going to explain it at this time, I believe a prototype is needed to back up my claim...
Excellent. For the love of god don't touch the damn thing if you got it self looped. Don't tweak it, adjust it or even breath on it. Build a replication of your design so that you can be sure of the "secret sauce".
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: joel321 on September 19, 2015, 08:14:52 AM
I have come to the 100% conclusion that all motors gather energy from the “air” ALL is cop>+ even the sun...just today I was looking at the soho telescope animations… the red comets are going about 373 miles per second when they reach the sun surface and then they get “eaten” http://i.imgur.com/uPM0cn7.gifv

VERY FEW understand what is happening there...and I 100% don't expect for pirate to chime in with  very logical and mind learning ideas…..

BUT, can you explain what is happening there to help your brother and sister?

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: shylo on September 19, 2015, 11:43:51 AM
Hi Tom, Nice work as always, Do you continually add water (the garden hose) , or is the water being captured and recycled?
Hope your going to do a how to video. Does your generator run your pump?
Looking forward to more.
Thanks artv
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 19, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Hi Shylo,

The water is recycle using a used tire to captured the rim jet and feed it back into the bucket.

As for a video, I'm not at this point to do one due to the fact this is not the unit that runs on it own power, but does create enough to have a good efficiency.

I had to order a few parts on Ebay to redesign the proper unit that is claim to be self running.

This unit does show the effects, but being water it can't  create the motor needed to create a self running system.

I will add the design and how it will works after hundreds of hours of prototyping and home work.

If this really does work, then I believe nobody should get credit for it.

Richard Clem the the inventor of the claims engine was the one that got me start on it in the first place, give credit where it belongs to.

P.s I will explain in detail how the system should work with basic drawings.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 19, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
How the Clem Engine really works:

The Clem's engine is said to run on it's own power and have extra energy to be used, this is also called "OVER UNITY".

How can this be? If it takes energy to created energy the you will always have a loss due to efficiency, heat and drag.

I design many prototypes on the Clem engine using water pumps, hydraulics pumps and even creating a rotating cone on a shaft.

Even with all the design I could not get it self running, yet they all had the important information within the scope of the designs.

Using water pressure to create a water rocket effect sounds like the way to go, but as the rotation on the drum increase my pressure decrease and also moved more water. This also increase power input due to pumping greater amounts of water like a basic pump.

Using a hydraulic pump sounds even better having greater pressure would mean higher speeds. But this was not it either due to the fact as the drum increase in speed the pump will decrease in pressure using less energy for pumping in GPM. "Yes it did use less energy", but this also cause less thrust and could not produce enough torque to over come hydraulic pump load, so it slow down with a longer time spam.

I experimented on a rotating cone to see the effect in water, as the cone was rotating at high speed it created a "Vacuum" while moving water upwards and forcing it away from the center at a 90deg , the strange thing about this effect it did not change in load like a basic water pump would. I believe it is because of the rotation of the drum and not a impeller rotating in a housing. The centrifugal force is being used to create it's own "Vacuum Effect".

I believe that is the key to the Clem engine is "Vacuum" created centrifugal forces from rotating of a disk or drum that pulls hydraulic fluids through the hydraulic motor and not pushing in to it.

Tom.







Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: pomodoro on September 19, 2015, 02:20:34 PM
Well done Tom, you sure spent a lot of time, thinking and effort into this project. I hope you get even better results soon.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 19, 2015, 03:40:12 PM
This is the basic design.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: core on September 19, 2015, 05:13:17 PM
Awesome backyard build!!  8)

Nice job Tom, its good to see people on here that are more then words. I am marking this thread and following your work.

- Core
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: e2matrix on September 19, 2015, 05:37:23 PM
Nice work Tommy!    Sounds like you are describing the Viktor Schauberger vortex or implosion effect which is one of the few paths to 'free energy' I believe has real potential.    One of Clem's design definitely seems to be related to  Schauberger as seen in this Clem drawing:
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 19, 2015, 08:09:13 PM
Thanks All,

e2matrix, I read just about all the claims of how Richard Clem built his motor, most was proven wrong after many prototypes.

If you read between the lines you will see that my design seems to be dealing with some of his comments in the past.

https://keelynet.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-clem-engine-reborn/

This picture showing what looks like a torque converter with stator vanes (8) could be where the fluid was moving outward away from the center input of the engine (1), this is a clear sign that it is not a rim jet but a vacuum created due to rotation. The rotary union (2) allow the engine to be running on a  horizontal position, but this could have been vertical at first due to the fact rotary unions cost money.

I'm waiting on a hydraulic motor to build a working prototype to prove my theories, it's about 29hp and all that is need to drive it is a vacuum of liquid to continual the rotation.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: pomodoro on September 20, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
I don't think the pressure from the centrifugal force amounts to  much when converted to thrust. The ejected velocity of the fluid from the jets will be very slow compared the radial velocity of the spinning jets themselves. Calculations don't seem too hard.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 20, 2015, 05:54:36 PM
Hi Pomodoro,

When the rotation of the cone/drum is powered by the rim jets, the pressure drops do to the fact the inertia of centrifugal force is being created.

This video shows that head pressure is constant, but as the torque converter rim jet increase in rpm due to thrust, the inertia centrifugal forces increase and cause the fluid to speed up from the input port, this also increase vacuum pressure.

When moving more flow outward due to inertia it will create more flow coming into the port.

When measured in pounds, centrifugal force is given by the formula wv2/gr
Where w is the weight of the object in pounds, v the velocity in feet per second, g the acceleration of gravity (32 feet per second per second), and r the radius of the circle in feet.
Thrust = 1.57 x psi * D * D
Velocity = \/32+32*(psi/0.434)
RPM= (PI*Dia/12) /(60*fps)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaMyKhY6kZw

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MagnaProp on September 21, 2015, 08:27:17 AM
Good info and video Tommey.

...rim jets, ... this also increase vacuum pressure...
Can we add some Tinman Venturi effect to the rim jets for additional free help? Might have to go with steam if you add that?
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 21, 2015, 05:35:55 PM
Hi All,

This video I did a few years back showing a vacuum created do to the rotational inertia on the clem engine prototype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2L_PBGgHZw

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: pomodoro on September 21, 2015, 06:33:22 PM
Thanks for the formulas and video links Tommey,  you sure put a hell of a  lot of work into this! Many hours indeed. Very interesting, keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: shylo on September 22, 2015, 12:56:21 AM
Hi Tom, Your jets , What is the best angle to surface, you have found?
Is it around 30-35deg. ?
As the speed increases, the angle changes?
Clem used oil, I've found that oil , the faster it moves ,the less power to move it.
Viscousity is the same as resistance?
You spin a flywheel, right?
Can't watch any video's my data's up.
Thanks artv
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 22, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone knows of a Richard Clem engine video that was taking when he dove his car around town?

Some interesting read:
Comments to CLEM1.ASC (KeelyNet)
 
 Richard Clem's rotational engine
 
 
Although I do not have any direct experience with Clem's device, I would like to comment on the principle of operation, which seems quite simple and straightforward to anyone who has studied the writings of Viktor Schauberger, the Austrian naturalist and inventor.  Indeed Schauberger was working with vortex action in liquids (especially in water) and was finding effects that were at the time, and are still now, unexplainable with the normal principles of physics or thermodynamics.
As far as I understand, the engine made by Clem was built around a cone with spiralling channels cut into it and when a liquid, in that particular case vegetable oil, got pressed through the channels, they caused the cone to turn. At a certain point the flow of the liquid and the turning of the cone became self-sustaining, up to the point of putting out a good and heavy (350 HP for a 200 pound engine) power output.
As I said, this is not surprising if one is familiar with the work of Schauberger. In the USA, there is one person I know of who has researched Viktor Schauberger's work in depth and who is trying to disseminate the vortex technology that grew out of Schauberger's work, through a publication called Energy Unlimited and a newsletter ("Causes"). His name is Walter Baumgartner but unfortunately I do not have contact details.  To return to the Clem engine, the principle of this machine is based on the fact that vortices under certain circumstances are self-accelerating and may be used to do actual work.
One example of this in nature is the tornado, which may reach very high rotational energies without apparent input from the outside.
Schauberger used this principle before the Second World War, to run a small turbine for electric energy production that is said to have had an output of approximately nine times that a conventional turbine would have had with the same amount of water and the same altitude differential. He patented his turbine and the patent is described in a separate article of mine.
 It is not known for certain what this effect is based on. From my view there are two possibilities:
1) A vortex "absorbs" ambient heat and utilizes the energy contained in it to augment its own motion. As heat is in fact molecular or atomic motion (absolute zero being the absence of any motion of this kind), a vortex could conceivably be able to direct that motion into one direction, thus ending up with 
 a) decreased environmental temperature and
 b) increased motion.
 
 Both factors seem to hold true for vortices.
2) The second possibility is that the vortex motion, being the most congenial motion to the aether or space background, is a means of tapping the inherent energy in space, also variously called zero-point energy, space energy or gravity field energy. A vortex, especially fast-turning and especially in dense material, may be "assisted" in its motion by a vortex forming in the space background or aether, that will eventually contribute energy to the vortex in the fluid.
These two explanations are not mutually exclusive and both mechanisms may be at work. They are at this time speculative attempts to explain properties of vortices. Although the explanations are speculative, the properties of vortices as such are not. They have been observed and measured and are shown to us daily by nature.
What Schauberger (and now Clem) have done is they have found a way to harness a phenomenon that has been given little attention by the scientific community.
The implications of this for energy production are enormous as can be readily seen reading the file CLEM1.ASC (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm) on KeelyNet. Josef Hasslberger
 Rome, Italy
 17/5/1995

<blockquote> Originally posted on December 26, 1992 - CLEM1.ASC A few months back, we got a call from a friend who had heard of this incredible motor that was said to run itself and generate excess useable power. The details were unclear at the time and our friend gathered more details and we met for lunch to discuss what he had found out. This file with diagram is listed on KeelyNet as CLEM2.ZIP. As we understand it, inventor Richard Clem died of a heart attack soon after the deal was signed with the coal company. His workshop was raided by law enforcement officials and all his notes and drawings were removed. The story as I was told by our unnamed friend : A local man (Dallas) developed a closed system engine that was purported to generate 350 HP and run itself. The engine weighed about 200 pounds and ran on cooking oil at temperatures of 300 F. It consisted of a cone mounted on a horizontal axis. The shaft which supported the cone was hollow and the cone had spiralling channels cut into it. These spiralling pathways wound around the cone terminating at the cone base in the form of nozzles (rimjets). When fluid was pumped into the hollow shaft at pressures ranging from 300-500 PSI (pounds per square inch), it moved into the closed spiralling channels of the cone and exited from the nozzles. This action caused the cone to spin.  As the velocity of the fluid increased, so did the rotational speed of the cone. As the speed continued to increase, the fluid heated up, requiring a heat exchange and filtering process. At a certain velocity, the rotating cone became independent of the drive system and began to operate of itself. The engine ran at speeds of 1800 to 2300 RPM. Immediately after the inventor had the heart attack and the papers were removed, the son of the inventor took the only working model of the machine to a farm near Dallas. There it was buried under 10 feet of concrete and has been running at that depth for several years. In later conversations, our contact says the engine had been tested by Bendix Corporation. The test involved attaching the engine to a dynamometer to measure the amount of horsepower generated by the engine in its self-running mode. It generated a consistent 350 HP for 9 consecutive days which astounded the engineers at Bendix. They concluded the only source of energy which could generate this much power in a CLOSED SYSTEM over an extended period must be of an atomic nature. Construction of the engine was from off the shelf components except for the hollow shaft and the custom cone with the enclosed spiral channels. Richard Clem worked with heavy machinery for the city of Dallas and had noticed that certain kinds of high pressure pumps continued to run for short periods after the power was removed. His curiosity into this phenomenon led to the development of the Clem Engine. </blockquote>
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Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 22, 2015, 01:59:57 PM
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The Clem Over-Unity Motor The following is from a newspaper clipping that has no name or date. In 1972, Richard Clem announced the invention of a way to operate automobile engines on cooking oil. He's still making that claim today, even though his first prototype motor fell apart and he had been "strung along" by at least 15 companies before he found financial backing. Clem, 48, a heavy equipment operator for the city of Dallas and part-time inventor, says if the automobile industry adopts his invention, motorists could change the eight gallons of vegetable oil only every 150,000 miles and never buy any gas. Clem said he uses vegetable oil because his motor runs at 300 degrees - a temperature where water has boiled away and conventional motor oil breaks down. Though he won't divulge many details of the engine, a 12-volt battery apparently is the only other source of power. When Clem finished his first vegetable oil engine in 1972, he mapped a 600- mile test trip to El Paso for the first engine model he had financed through his earnings.  But he only made it as far as Abilene before the 'shafts and everything bent in it.' He blamed the failure on poor construction, too small a shaft and the use of chains instead of gears. Undaunted, he decided to try again, but said, 'I needed money to build this thing better.' Neither the automobile industry nor the 15 other companies he wrote - some as far away as Taiwan - were interested in financing a prototype and then manufacturing it. Then last year, he said, a large coal company offered to back him. Clem refused to disclose the name of his benefactor, but did say the coal company had signed contracts to sell the engines to power companies for use in pulling turbines. Clem said he expects to finish work on the motor by the end of this year. (1972)
Vanguard Note..
The above article was reported as being generated from Flower Mound, Texas (northwest of Dallas and slightly beyond Carrollton). I called the only Clem listed in the book as of 11/20/92 and they knew of no other Clem in that area, nor did they know of any Richard Clem or his family. Two separate visits to the patent section of the Dallas Library have not yielded any patents by a Richard Clem involving any type of engine. We are still pursuing for more details. As of 12/26/92, I drew up a .GIF file called CLEM1.GIF that is bundled with this file under the name CLEM2.ZIP. It gives a better understanding of how the machine was constructed, at least as it was described to us.
For those who study such matters, one immediately sees the tie-ins with Boundary Layer Drag principles as evinced in much of Tesla's work as well as Victor Schaubergers Impansion and Implosion discoveries.  We have noted something odd about spinning masses in that at specific velocities, strange things occur. The velocities at which phenomena occur are dependent on the resonant frequencies of the mass as an aggregate, exactly as Keely said. The Clem system was said to be built with off-the-shelf components. The most complicated piece of the entire machine was the cone. And based on Boundary layer drag, it would seem that the cone was unnecessary.  The question with the Clem device is 'Does the extended surface area of the cone add to the additional velocity of the cone, yielding greater pressures through centrifugal force or would flat plates as in the TESLA turbine be sufficient to generate the same effect?' We continue to look for more information on this device and appreciate your comments or supporting material.
Update as of May 1996
A company called Creative Sciences is selling plans ($60) for what they claim is a machine that generates 1500hp and runs by itself. They call this a CEACU and claim it was released by a 70 year old retired scientist.
The truth of the matter is it was designed and built by the late Richard Clem of Flower Mound, Texas as documented by this paper. It is wonderful that someone has taken this information and done something with it (or so claimed) and we will have more details later if you might like to build one. However, be aware a few years ago, some of our Roundtable group chipped in for about $150 worth of 'plans' from Creative Sciences.  The plans were bogus and were not free energy unless you are simple enough to think compressed air (as used in some of Dennis Lees 'demonstrations') is free energy. In the last part of June 2001, Rick Harrison, president of Creative Sciences sent an email to KeelyNet saying he was prepared to sue if we did not stop 'bad-mouthing' his company.  The website is http://www.fuellesspower.com and I told him go ahead, since I and many others would love to see them prove their overunity claims in court. Since then he has not responded back and the website is not responding, so I think they are changing their claims.  We also have several emails from others who say Creative ripped them off and one from Brazil saying its been 60 days after he sent about $115.00 and received nothing. With regard to differences between the CEACU design and Clem the CEACU does not require the cone, but instead uses a thick disk with nozzles on the outer edge. A hollow shaft feeds water into this disk at a high velocity.  As the water exits from the nozzles, the disk spins giving an ever higher velocity. A 3200 psi air tank is used to get the disk spinning to 1000 rpm when it is claimed to begin to run on its own. There are other ways to achieve this velocity beyond 3200 psi as you can well imagine. If you write them, please let them know that Richard Clem is the true inventor (as I will). Thanks!...
Jerry W. Decker (jdecker@keelynet.com)  Sysop / KeelyNet
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Clem Engine Index page (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemindex.htm) - 06/11/04 KeelyNet Loader page (http://www.keelynet.com)
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 22, 2015, 02:05:32 PM
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Many examples of the way Nature works using spiraling electric phi and implosion, from the illuminated works of Walter Russell and Viktor Schauberger.

Walter Baumgartner & Rhetta Jacobson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdz7VsPTiU0



Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 23, 2015, 12:11:38 AM
Idegen,

"The pump engine knows more than the system", either you need english lessens or just being foolish?

First of all, you are just another troll....just go and play pocket pool if you can't back up your opinions.

Move on kid....

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MagnaProp on September 23, 2015, 12:32:39 AM
...This video I did a few years back showing a vacuum created...
Saw that video but didn't realize it was yours. The jets you have on there is what brought on the idea of adding the Venturi effect. Looks like you could poke a hole in those. Can't imagine that working with cooking oil though unless the oil got hot enough to vaporize? I have seen reports of a heat exchanger and possibly cavitation taking place in the original engine so maybe that accounts for how the oil was vaporized? One step at a time though so I'm just thinking out loud to see if it leads in that direction eventually. Looks like there were tight tolerances in the cement patent and the only picture of the actual device. I'm curious to hear more about the vacuum effect you experienced in that video. You also mentioned in that video that you added a turbine to the system but I'm not sure what you mean by that? Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 23, 2015, 12:44:35 AM


What is centrifugal force?
We are all familiar with the effects of centrifugal force, we experience it for example every time we are in a car and take a bend - we feel a force pushing us to the outside of the curve. If, for example, you have placed your sunglasses on the seat next to you it would come as no surprise if, when taking a sharp bend at speed, they slide across the seat.
Centrifugal force is sometimes referred to as a 'fictitious' force, because it is present only for an accelerated object and does not exist in an inertial frame. An inertial frame is where an object moves in a straight line at a constant speed. But Einstein's general theory of relativity allows observers even in a non-inertial frame to regard themselves at rest, and the forces they feel to be real. Centrifugal force is not fictitious, it is a real force.
Centrifugal force arises due to the property of mass known as inertia - the reluctance of a body to change either its speed or direction. A body that is at rest will stay at rest until some force makes it move, and then will continue to move at the same speed and in the same direction unless and until some force changes the way it is moving. This is all neatly summed up by Isaac Newton's three laws of motion.
I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. (This is sometimes referred to as The Law of Inertia)
II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma.
III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
We can illustrate 'inertial frames' by using the example of an astronaut in a space ship. Let's imagine that we have an astronaut aboard a space ship that has no windows, and we are at the controls to which our astronaut has no access to. We ask our astronaut to perform any experiment that he may wish in order to determine if the spaceship is moving or at rest. We start our experiment with the ship at rest and ask our astronaut if we are moving. He replies that he is in zero gravity floating around the ship and is unable to detect any feeling of movement, and that by carrying out various tests - such as measuring a swinging pendulum, he is still unable to detect any movement and concludes that we must be at rest. We then fire up the engine and accelerate through space, and keep accelerating, and again ask if we are moving. This time our astronaut is certain that we are accelerating, he is forced to the back of the ship, by inertia, and the more we accelerate the stronger this force becomes. If he drops an object it will 'fall' to the rear of the ship, which has now - as far as he is concerned - become the 'floor'. If we judge our speed of acceleration just right, we can create a force that is exactly equal to the force of gravity, known as 1G, and this is indistinguishable from gravity in every respect. No matter what experiment our astronaut performs, it would be impossible to tell if he is in a vehicle accelerating at 1G, or stationary on the surface of the Earth. This is the basis of Einstein's general theory of relativity, that the effects of acceleration are indistinguishable from the effects of a uniform gravitational field. This is known as the 'equivalence principle' and results from the equivalence between gravitational mass and inertial mass.
We now start to slow down our space ship, as we can see a speed camera coming up, and again ask our astronaut if we are moving. Again he replies that we are definitely moving, as the sudden slowing down caused him to be thrown forward and collide with the front bulkhead, and he mutters something to the effect that as his nose is bleeding and he is pressed flat against the bulkhead he doesn't feel it necessary to perform any experiments to confirm our movement.
We now stop decelerating and allow the ship to coast along at a uniform speed of 100,000 mph, which is now well within the legal speed limit for this part of space. We ask our astronaut once more if we are moving, and he replies that as far as he is able to tell while freely floating around in a zero gravity environment, that we are not moving.
Our little experiment has demonstrated that if the ship is travelling at a uniform speed in a uniform direction it is not possible, by any means whatsoever, to determine whether or not it is moving, It is only when the ship changes speed, either by accelerating or decelerating that the movement becomes apparent.
So what happens if we change direction instead of changing speed? Let's return to our space ship and find out. We accelerate back to 100,000 mph and maintain this speed and direction, at which point our astronaut with the sore nose is again in 'free fall' - a state of weightlessness - and unable to detect any motion. We now put our space ship into a tight turn to the right and hold the curve, and ask our astronaut if we are moving. He replies that as he is pressed hard against the left side of the ship we must be moving, and adds that as he knows that the space ship is unable to move sideways, it cannot be accelerating in the opposite direction to the force, so it must be turning to the right.
So far so good, all pretty straight forward stuff really, so what's the problem?
The problem is that we have seen that centrifugal force is a result of inertia, an object's resistance to a change in direction. When the space ship turned to the right the astronaut tried to keep going in the original direction, straight ahead, and so was forced to the left side of the ship. That makes sense, it is perfectly understandable according to Newton's first law of motion. But let's consider another movement that we can introduce using our space ship, let's rotate it about its axis.
If we now rotate our space ship about its axis, give it a spin, what happens to our astronaut? He will again be pressed against the side of the ship, providing he is in contact with it and moving with it. The question is WHY is he pressed against the side of the ship? The ship is not accelerating, nor is it changing direction, and the rate of spin can be kept constant, but centrifugal force will keep our astronaut firmly pinned against the side of the ship for as long as it continues to spin.
We can illustrate the central problem of explaining the nature of centrifugal force by examining how a spin drier removes water from clothes. We put wet clothes in, turn the machine on, and the drum spins around at high speed throwing out the water due to centrifugal force. Simple. The question is how do the clothes 'know' that they are spinning? Easy, you say, the drum is spinning in relation to the drier, and the clothes rotate with the drum. If only it were that simple!
We can imagine an arrangement whereby the drum, and hence the clothes, are kept stationary while the drier rotates rapidly about the drum, the opposite to what normally happens of course. Now if the drum rotating in relation to the drier was all that was required for centrifugal force to draw the water out, then this arrangement would work in exactly the same manner as the more conventional arrangement. You do not, however, need to be a rocket scientist to be able to tell that this arrangement would not dry the clothes! This very effectively destroys the argument that the clothes know they are rotating because of their movement in relation to the drier. The movement must be a movement in relation to something else. The next logical step is to argue that in the last example it was obvious that the drum was not really moving, only the drier was, so let's extend the area. This time we will imagine the drum remaining still, just as before, but this time we will rotate not only the drier, but the entire room, around the drum. Will that make any difference? Again we can see that this arrangement wouldn't work either, because from our vantage point from outside the room we can see that the drum isn't 'really' rotating. This does present a problem though. Imagine that we have constructed a large spin drier and we sit inside the drum and the door is closed behind us. The drum again stays still but the drier, and the entire room rotate about us. The view that we see through the door would make us feel quite dizzy, but we would know that we are not moving because we would feel no forces acting upon us, we would not be pressed against the sides of the drum.
If we now return to our astronaut in the rotating space ship, he was pressed against the sides of the ship, so what is the difference? What in 'empty' space is the space ship rotating in relation to?
Isaac Newton thought about this problem of centrifugal force and came to the conclusion that there must exist a 'preferred frame of reference' in the Universe, defined by absolute space. This is just another way of saying that there must be a special place in the Universe that all motion can be related to. If this is the case, our wet clothes would know they are rotating, and hence fling out the water, because they are rotating in relation to this special fixed point in the Universe. This would also explain why it would not be possible to 'fool' the clothes into thinking they are rotating by rotating the drier instead. It is interesting to note however, that if we kept extending outward our rotating frame about the stationary drum, eventually the water would be thrown out because the entire universe would be rotating in relation to the drum, which is the exactly the same thing as the universe remaining stationary and the drum rotating! It may be that the same effect would happen if the rotating frame was just our galaxy instead of the entire universe, we don't know.
Enter Ernst Mach, an Austrian philosopher and physicist (1838-1916) whose ideas were to later influence Albert Einstein when he was developing his ideas on the general theory of relativity. It was Einstein who gave the name 'Mach's Principle'. It was in honour of Mach's work on shock waves associated with projectiles moving through the air that the Mach numbers of speed were named after him; a speed of Mach 1 is equal to the speed of sound, Mach 2 twice the speed of sound, and so on.
Mach proposed (Mach's principle) that inertia is caused by the interaction of an object with all of the other matter in the Universe. It will be remembered that Newton believed that all motion was relative to some universal preferred frame of reference. Thirty years later, George Berkeley, argued that all motion is relative, and must be measured against something. Since 'absolute space' cannot be perceived, that would not do as a reference point, he said. He argued that if only a single globe existed in the Universe it would be meaningless to talk about any movement of that globe. Even if there were two globes, both perfectly smooth, in orbit around one another, it would not be possible to measure that motion. But 'suppose that the heaven of fixed stars was suddenly created and we shall be in a position to imagine the motions of the globes by their relative position to the different parts of the Universe'. What Berkeley is arguing, is that in effect, it is because the clothes in your spin drier know that they are rotating relative to the distant stars that causes the water to be thrown out. Berkeley also argued that it is the same for acceleration in straight lines; Berkeley's reasoning would be that the push into the back of the seat that you feel when a car accelerates is because your body knows that it is being accelerated relative to the distant stars and galaxies.
Mach did not add a great deal to the ideas put forward by Berkeley, but did put forward the suggestion that if we want to explain the equatorial bulge of the Earth as due to centrifugal forces, 'it does not matter if we think of the Earth as turning round on its axis, or at rest while the fixed stars revolve around it'. It is the relative motion that is responsible for the bulge.'
What Berkeley and Mach suggest, that it is the 'fixed stars' which provide a frame of reference, raises another question. The 'fixed stars', as we are well aware today, are not in fact 'fixed', but are actually part of a system that is itself rotating - our own Milky Way galaxy. Even before Mach was born, William Herschel and other astronomers had provided good evidence that the Milky Way is a flattened disc of stars, its shape clearly determined by rotation and centrifugal force. Mach might well have argued that there was only two ways in which the whole galaxy could be seen to be under the influence of centrifugal force. Either Newton was right, and the whole system of 'fixed stars' is rotating relative to absolute, empty space; or Berkeley and Mach were right, and there must be some distribution of matter, far across the Universe, that enables a frame of reference against which the rotation of our Galaxy is measured.
Another example of centrifugal force that is well known to us is demonstrated by objects in orbit, such as satellites or the International Space Station (ISS), or indeed the Moon. The difference here is that astronauts aboard the ISS do not experience the effects of centrifugal force as they orbit around the Earth, they are not pushed away from the direction of the Earth. Why not? To begin, let's examine how an object gets into Earth orbit and stays there, 'unsupported'.
Imagine having a large and powerful cannon, the more gunpowder packed behind the cannon ball the further it will travel. Now imagine setting up our super powerful cannon and firing it so that the cannon ball lands say 1,000 miles away. Now pack in more gunpowder and fire again, this time it will have travelled further, say 2,000 miles, before falling to the ground. Keep repeating the exercise and adding more gunpowder every time, and every time the cannon ball is fired it will travel further before it falls to the ground. Eventually, with enough power behind it, it will go all the way around the world before falling to the ground, and will have almost reached its starting point - it will land just behind you. Now, by packing in even more gun-powder, and getting just the right trajectory, it will over-shoot you and keep on going, it will not land. What the cannon ball is now doing is permanently arcing back down towards the Earth, but the curve of the Earth is falling away at the same rate, the cannon ball never 'catches up' with it. This is known as being in "free fall', the cannon ball is in orbit.
Our astronaut aboard the ISS is in free fall, just like the cannon ball. The ISS - and the astronauts - are prevented from being thrown out of orbit (like the water thrown out of the clothes in the spin drier) by the force of gravity. This balancing force is called centripetal force, and keeps the ISS in a closed orbit. Because the centrifugal force is exactly balanced by the centripetal force of gravity the astronauts aboard the ISS will not feel any sensation of centrifugal force. This is another example of the equivalence principle, which says that the effects of gravity and acceleration are indistinguishable from one another, and in this particular case they exactly cancel each other out.
If you were in a lift that was at the top of a very tall building and the cable snapped, as it hurtled towards the ground you would be in free fall just as the astronauts are aboard the ISS. You would be able to freely float about inside the lift and enjoy the sensation of being weightless, until you reached the ground. It was by employing this trick that the directors of the film 'Apollo 13' were able to film the 'astronauts' in a weightless environment. They just hired a plane, fitted out the interior to look like the the Apollo module, and after having climbed to a suitable altitude nosed the plane down and allowed it to 'fall' towards the ground. Hey presto, 'look mum, I'm floating in space!'
We can create a weightless condition while still on Earth, we just have to fall. We can duplicate the force of gravity in a gravity free environment by acceleration. We can rotate an object and create centrifugal force, but we are unable to explain how centrifugal force works. Is it Newton's preferred frame of reference of absolute space? Or Mach's and Berkeley's idea that it is the average distribution of matter across the Universe? There has to be some way that an object knows that it is rotating in relation to something.
We do not really know how it works. General relativity and Mach's Principle seem to suggest that it is connected to the average density of matter in the Universe, but is unable to explain how this could be done. Recently, a group of physicists have speculated that inertia arises from charged matter (electrons, atoms etc) moving through the physical vacuum which acts differently along the direction of motion and behind the particle so that inertia is actually a quantum mechanical effect produced locally, not by distant matter. Doesn't help much though does it?
 
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Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: markdansie on September 23, 2015, 10:35:01 AM
I thought this was worthy of an article again since we covered your Clem Engine projects in the past


http://revolution-green.com/clem-engine-revisited-by-tommey-l-reed/

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 23, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
Hi All,

I will explain how I plan to created a hydraulic vacuum by designing a centrifugal pump that pulls cooking oil or hydraulic oil through the hydrostatic motor.

This is the basic design, using a redesign centrifugal pump with a lower cone to pull liquid fluid upward and outwards at a high volume discharge.

One important fact is as the liquid is force outward due to inertia and  centripetal force, you will have a constant rotational load no matter how much liquid is mover outward. In other words, due to the fact it rotates in open air and the fluid is move away from the centrifugal pump, you won't have to add more power to it.

Once a object is rotating like a flywheel, it takes less energy to keep it going.

As the fluid leaves the centrifugal pump, it draws more upwards to replace it. In other words if the discharge is move 100GPM outward and the intake port is much smaller, it must speed up to replace the discharge volume. This is also where vacuum pressure is created.

Tom


Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 23, 2015, 11:45:31 PM
New Video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDCMzeGEC4
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: Jimboot on September 24, 2015, 01:05:55 AM
New Video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDCMzeGEC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDCMzeGEC4)
Hey Tommey, that vid is listed as private.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 24, 2015, 01:19:05 AM
OK, sorry. Its now public.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MIdone on September 24, 2015, 04:02:01 AM
Tommey,
I was reading your discussion and a word that I hadn't see for a long time came up; CEACU.
Thought I could give you a little info that isn't on the web.
1989-1992 I was getting a newsletter called; 'All Source Digest' that was the main promoter of the CEACU.  It went belly up after the CEACU fraud scam.

The CEACU (Centrifugal Energy Amplification and Conversion Unit) was the invention of Donnie C. Watts. -(died in 1992).  I don't know if he was spinning off the Clem Engine idea or not.  His idea was first mentioned in another newsletter; 'Perpetual Motion Progress, Monthly Energy Newsletter May 1, 1977.

The All Source Digest I was getting was out of Morton, WA, (editor Byron Peck) who had an agreement with Don Watts to develop and and license the CEACU.
Their best prototyper was Geoff Miller, though they mentioned they had around 30 at that time.  There were many claims of over unity, and any month would have units and kits ready for sale.  -(Waiting for the right parts, and financing.) They were selling expensive how-to video tapes, disclosures, and licenses to commercially develop.

What you are trying to do is very similar to what they were trying to do; and in fact said they did.  I played around with the idea then, with the hope that I my physics class missed something.  Even bought a video; that proved nothing. 
With my experimenting; what I was convinced that was happening, was that it accumulated energy increasing in rpm's until it destroyed itself, or friction equaled the input.  It was fun; helped me learn things, but a dud. 
There are floor cleaners available using spinning rim water jets, that you run with a pressure washer.  They may have parts that you could use if you keep working on this.

I just did a little search and found that Geoff Miller is still doing some with it; making the same claims to Sterling Allan as he did 24 years ago:

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilStbRJZTu0"



Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 24, 2015, 01:03:22 PM
Hi MIdone,

 Thanks for the video and information, I seen the video and would not trust those people at all.

Make me wonder if I do create this engine if people like that would try to profit on my work, they seem to have enough scams to fool many.

Only Stirling could be part of a scam, so really anyone that deals with him must be a scam in my opinion.

It was interesting for myself that I thought was the only one building prototypes, have to be careful next time....lol

Most of their claims was just smoke and mirrors with eye candy. Stirling was the one showing off candy with those false claims in the pictures.

I have a new design that I believe nobody has thought of, so instead of me talking about it, it's best just to prove it.

I would like to see the Richard Clem video that was on the news when he drove his car around in Dallas, Tx.

That would be a very good proof of his claims and also maybe getting new information of how it worked.

I don't believe it was the rim jet theory, due to the fact I did a hydraulic rim jet at 800 psi with a 5hp 220v ac motor to drive the pump. I had about a efficiency of 25%.

When I turn off the system and watch it slow down to a stop I knew then that it was not the answer.

Thanks again for your input.

Tom


Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MIdone on September 24, 2015, 06:40:56 PM
Tommey,
So you can compare your work with the CEACU, I will scan some info from that 1990 era science fiction.

I apologize if the size of the scans don't work well.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MIdone on September 24, 2015, 06:44:01 PM
A few more scans.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 24, 2015, 07:42:26 PM
Hi MIdone,

Interesting read, but I also believe that he did not build a working model that worked.

I thank you for the extra time finding this data, I believe I'm on the right track this time.

My hydraulic motor should be in today or tomorrow, looking forward to this build.

Thanks again...

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MIdone on September 24, 2015, 09:03:56 PM
Hi MIdone,

Interesting read, but I also believe that he did not build a working model that worked.

I thank you for the extra time finding this data, I believe I'm on the right track this time.

My hydraulic motor should be in today or tomorrow, looking forward to this build.

Thanks again...

Tom



It was interesting to me to dig out some of those old papers, (a little moldy smelling from the basement), and review.
There was no evidence that anyone built one that worked as claimed, but that didn't stop them from making the claims.

I will give an example of those old Newsletters.

As you work on your build, will you let everyone know the results, even if things don't go as planned? That's always helpful too.
I think I understand what you want to try to do; pull fluid through a hydraulic motor by the negative pressure of fluid being pulled to the rim of spinning rotor wheel...I think.

enjoy.

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 25, 2015, 01:09:24 AM
Hi Midone,

I'm amazed how you had these papers for so many years, I have to say very interesting and again thank you.

I would like to know if anyone might have a old copy or a video of the Clems engine, If I'm willing to spend my time and money I would love to see others to find more information if it's out there.

I just got my motor in today, I will be doing a video on the parts and a few other ideas to pull a powerful vacuum.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271451711345?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: ramset on September 25, 2015, 02:00:24 AM
Tom
I will ask around at a few places for old Vids and film clips.
thanks for sharing all your hard work.

Chet
PS
Started one topic here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20271-serious-clem-replication-help-needed.html#post280485
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 25, 2015, 04:58:44 AM
Hi All,

This is the first of many video I started on the Clem engine build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4OcREgZr_Q&feature=youtu.be

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: pomodoro on September 25, 2015, 03:30:04 PM




Tommey, when a rotating, very low friction flywheel is spun to , for example, 1000 rpm, it then keeps spinning at that rpm without any more input from the power source. Isn't this principle the same as the phenomenon occurring in your engine, the difference being that the water turbine is very inefficient at low speeds and requires a fair bit of power?? I'm just trying to see how this engine compares to high efficiency spinning devices.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 25, 2015, 09:26:54 PM
Hi pomodore,

I did a prototype with enough power input to clearly show that no mater how much energy you put into the hydraulic pump the flow the the rim jet could not keep the system going.

I did a 800 psi rim jet experiment a few years back pulling about 4kw load and only could get about 1kw of energy back due to load and rpm's drop.

800 psi moves at a rate of 343.5 feet per second or 3281.8 rpm on a 2 foot diameter drum/cone. The problem is when the load got greater the rpm's drop and cancel out the max power output.  Starting head pressure drops also as soon as rotation takes place, this is due to  centripetal forces at work.

Tom



Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 26, 2015, 01:26:50 AM

CENTRIFUGAL FORCE
 The centrifugal pump works in the same way as sucking on the straw. As the engine starts, the impeller turns which forces the water around it out of the pump's discharge port. The partial vacuum created, allows the earth's air pressure to force water up the suction hose (straw), and into the suction (inlet) side of the pump to replace the displaced water. When the water hits the rotating impeller, energy of the impeller is transferred to the water, forcing the water out (centrifugal force). The water is displaced outward, and more water can now enter the suction side of the pump to replace the displaced water.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 26, 2015, 01:31:52 AM
This is a very good video to explain the vacuum of water due to centrifugal forces.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/experiments/exp/pumping-straw-a-centrifugal-pump/ (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/experiments/exp/pumping-straw-a-centrifugal-pump/)

Equation for centrifugal  force The equation for the outward or centrifugal force due to inertia of an object following a curved path  is:
 <blockquote> F = mv2/R
 </blockquote> where
 F is the centrifugal force pulling object away from center
m is the mass of the object
v is the straight line velocity of the object
R is the radius of curvature cause by the centripetal force
 This equation is similar to that of the centripetal force  causing an object to follow a curved path.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zip9ft1PgV0
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 26, 2015, 04:09:44 AM
Hi All,

Most engineer think in a very small box due to the rules they are told not to go out of.
They are discredit by their peers if they go beyond these rules and kicked out of their group for good.
I do back up my work with mathematics, but this one does not have enough data to prove or disprove it.
Too many variables at work, that's why I believe I must build it to verify not if Richard Clem build this engine, but to see if it is over unity.
"Those that believe in the big bang theory, have already claim over unity , where did this energy come from?"
Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: scratchrobot on September 26, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfg_8OLjvs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAfg_8OLjvs)

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 27, 2015, 12:56:50 AM
Not really the answer to the fact that in a centrifugal pump of water from the center and flows outward due to inertia in all direction.

Like a flywheel spinning where the inertia is greater then the atom holding it together and explodes apart. This is another energy that is greater then the mechanical load spinning it.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MIdone on September 28, 2015, 03:47:42 AM
Hi Tom,
There was no mention of the Clem Engine in any of those newsletters I have.  I was also getting another one at that same time from Don Kelly, "S.E.A.", but no mention of it in there either. 
The internet kind of took over all of that stuff around the mid 1990's. 
If you try the Yahoo search engine you can usually get some different results than Google.

If you search, 'Clem engine pictures'; even your stuff comes up:
"https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrBT.IRAwhWeakAoNNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyODRjcmJxBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjAzNDFfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=Clem+Engine&fr=moz35#id=77&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkeelynet.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F05%2Fcar5hp.jpg%3Fw%3D400%26h%3D529&action=close"

I kept some of those old newsletters for referencing, and/or evidence.

The CEACU boys made flat out claims of having an over-unity centrifugal fluid machine.
So I kept an open mind; ...ok, ...maybe, ...lets see it. 

They couldn't deliver on their claims, tried to stall wanting more financing, then bugged out.

------------------------------
I think most people who read these forums are keeping an open mind and willing to listen, but wise enough to question before they jump on the boat and say 'yep' you got it! 
It's obvious that you are putting a lot of time and hard work into your ideas, and openly showing everyone.  I can appreciate that.
I'm guessing that you want to open source your project on here to get feedback; right?

Well; I think you will probably be the first to attempt an over-unity device using a hydraulic motor in the way you are suggesting. -using vacuum force to suck a fluid through a motor, from a reservoir, to exit the rotor rim. 
You may want to find out what the efficiency ratings are for the motor you bought, using the flows and pressures across it you have in mind.
Some hydraulic motors won't even turn unless they have a pressure drop of a couple hundred pounds across them.

Might it be a good idea to see how the motor would work first, with a pump trying to suck fluid through it; and see what kind of pressure drop you can get across it?

A pure vacuum is 0 psi.-(it doesn't get lower than that.)  Atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi.
You posted an illustration that doesn't make sense to me; or is it a mistake?
In it, you have a draw at the bottom of 1gpm @ -100psi.
How can anything be at -100psi?  I don't understand. 
If a pressure gauge is calibrated to '0' at atmospheric pressure, it could only drop to -14.7 in a pure vacuum.  Outer space is the closest you can get to that.
In the upper rotor portion you have it throwing out 100gpm @ 1psi.  Where did the additional 99 gallons come from, when you only have 1 gallon coming in?

If it's dribbling out at the rotor rim at 1psi, it would still have the rotational velocity of the rotor when it dropped out.  -Would that just be lost?
I'm not attacking you; these are just things that crossed my mind as I read about your idea.

Accelerating masses with centrifugal forces, while at the same time trying do work with the accelerating masses, can be difficult. ???

The Clem Engine claims are a mystery from the stories I can find.  People love a mystery, and can build it into anything without the facts.

What's on the internet, indicates that it is turning by the force of high pressure jets at the rim and a spiral channel to the rim.
Vegetable oil is a key to its operation. 
In this video at about 18 seconds in, it mentions a 7 stage pump that drives the rotor.
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OzcUp7i5sk"

I'm my mind this sounds more like a CEACU.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 28, 2015, 04:15:08 AM
Hi Midone,

Yes I understand what you're saying about the basic flow and my simple formula.

I will explain it in a better way:

If the rotating drum has 8-1/2 rim jets@100gpm and the input fluid has only 1-1/2 to pull fluid into the drum.

What takes place is flow will have to increase in flow speed going into the center to equal the same amount of 100gpm coming out.

Like all fluids, to increase flow from a small pipe you would have to increase pressure.

As the rotation is spinning what really is happening is vacuum of high pressure is pulling fluid into the rotating drum I call -psi. would have the same effect if I force high pressure into the drum.

Instead of pushing fluid, the drum pulls the fluid.

If the design is correct, this means that if the rotating drum throws outward 100gpm, it would have to replace it with 100gpm input.
The inertia is where the magic happens due to the centrifugal pump design.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: MIdone on September 28, 2015, 03:30:24 PM
Hi Tom,
Thanks for responding to my questions.  I was just trying to follow a drop of fluid through the cycle of your machine concept.

Yes; whirling a smaller mass around in a horizontal circle to suspend a larger vertical one; is fun and fires the inventive mind!

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So in real life mechanics, you would expect maybe 100gpm flowing through the device.

If you had 3 pressure gauges all calibrated to read ‘0’ at atmospheric pressure;
-and placed one at the rim, #1
-one at the hub, where the fluid exits your hydraulic motor, #2
-and one at the intake of your hydraulic motor; #3
what might you expect them to read while it’s operating?

You mentioned 1psi at the rim. -so that would be the reading on pressure gauge #1.
The other two pressure gauge readings I think would be the important ones to get an idea of what might happen with the hydraulic motor.
#2 & #3

Thanks again for sharing your work.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 28, 2015, 03:47:47 PM
Hi Midone,

Yes that would be a interesting test, I will need to get some gauges and one have a vacuum side also.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on September 28, 2015, 11:20:54 PM
New video update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppDb2k4FXQA

Tom.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: Kator01 on September 29, 2015, 03:39:21 PM
Hello ,

long time ago I had contact to Alan Cresswell in Birmingham. He published his ideas of ether conversion on his website
"The Grand Unified Theory" which I archived. Today Alan has passed away and his website is gone even the web-archive does´nt have it anymore

Please find attached an excerpt of this website which deals with this topic

Regards

Kator01
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on October 04, 2015, 01:24:24 PM
Hi all,

I have updates and will soon post what I have.

Many question come up on vacuum pressure on water pumps, I fully understand the physics behind it. Clearly most people don't realizes I'm dealing with hydraulics and not water.

I'm going to explain the difference, by now most should already know.

The key point to this clem engine build is created a effect due to inertia and centrifugal forces, without these effect it would be a waste to even trying.

I remove some videos and thought it would be best just to build it and put up the finished unit, due to the fact many people love to steal those that put their own time and money into these projects as their own.

Not that it will or will not work, but because others who can't be trusted will claim it's their own ideas.

I have a design and it will be a great one, but this calls for special skills that I have to use in foam casting a complete cone design that is very complex later on.

I will have to test some simple design before going to that complex one.

With all the other clem engine experimental builds, this seems to be it if I can create these effects I explained.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on October 07, 2015, 02:30:43 PM
Hi All,

Sometime I wonder what if I get over unity on this Clem's engine Project, who would not want this information out?

I still believe that we needs to be open source due to the fact governments want control and energy is where they have it.

Free energy means free electricity, transportation, water and even food. This is why it's so important to open source any real free energy design.

Money is created to control us all, those with the most gets the most out of life, but those that have little get nothing in return.

Free energy gives us all equal power where government can't force their rule on us any longer.

Free energy means freedom to all.

Another reason people need to realize that governments will kill anyone who stops their control on us.

This is the main clem engine hydraulic motor shaft design.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: seychelles on October 07, 2015, 03:17:04 PM
the secret to the clem engine is the AIR that is TRAPED in the vegetable
oil REACHES A SUPER CRITICAL PRESSURE WHEN THE OIL IS FORCE
PUMPED. SO TO INCREASE FURTHER THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS MACHINE
IS TO INTRODUCE COMPRESS AIR INTO THE VEGETABLE OIL..
 
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on October 07, 2015, 03:31:51 PM
"the secret to the clem engine is the AIR that is TRAPED in the vegetable
oil REACHES A SUPER CRITICAL PRESSURE WHEN THE OIL IS FORCE
PUMPED. SO TO INCREASE FURTHER THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS MACHINE
IS TO INTRODUCE COMPRESS AIR INTO THE VEGETABLE OIL.."

That is your opinion seychelles,

The problem with this is low pump pressure, hydraulics pressure will drop due to air bubbles in the system. For cooking oil to explode it needs pressure to create enough heat like a diesel engine. Air bubbles won't do the job.

Nobody has create a clem engine that believe in this theory, not even me. That was my past theory also, could not get enough pressure due to air bubble in the lines.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

Tom



Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 06, 2015, 08:20:31 PM
Hi All,

Been busy working but I did get my slip roll roller in a few days ago to start the Clem engine cone design.

I will be making the blades that feed fluid upward to the centrifugal turbine, the turbine creates a vacuum that should cause a implosion effect.
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 07, 2015, 12:14:26 AM
Hi All,

I added a simple video to show how I made this 16 gauge sheet metal cone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsGk_IiWq4M

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 07, 2015, 12:26:51 AM
Hi All,

I found this video, boy looks like some of the stuff I built.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilStbRJZTu0

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: ARMCORTEX on November 07, 2015, 09:34:09 AM
I have a lathe at the Shop that I program every week, I am looking into the Clem engine as good way to at uneven and jolt-like drive mechanism for a flywheel.




Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 08, 2015, 01:37:38 AM
Hi Idegen,


 Please explain your opinion on the Clem engine, have you done any real research on Richard Clem?

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 09, 2015, 01:10:44 AM
Hi Idegen,

I'm not shore what will happen on this new theory, but I can tell you this centrifugal inertia pump will move lots of fluid due to the fact it's 21" in diameter and will reach speed above 3000 rpm's.

If I'm correct and there is a constant flow of fluid, then just maybe it's enough to pull through the hydraulic motor and keep rotating.

This is a very special rotational pump using inertia to flow into the centrifugal impeller.

Tom


Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 10, 2015, 08:49:16 PM
Hi Idegen,

This is my design of the centrifugal impeller with 16 blades on a 21" disk.

Tom
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: TommeyLReed on November 10, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
Simeple Video to explain my theory of the implosion of the Clem engine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7i2qensclc
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: Cherryman on November 10, 2015, 11:28:25 PM
Simeple Video to explain my theory of the implosion of the Clem engine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7i2qensclc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7i2qensclc)


Hi tommy, I always like your builds and looking forward to this one.


I myself have some experience with similar designs and tests


I'm not sure about your hydraulic pump tough.


I tend to use a little more the friction and boundary layers a kind of tesla turbine in the shaft.
Input > Tesla turbine in sucking mode
Output > Rotational force combined with added friction heat.


I think the outgoing force will pull in the water and helps the rotation.  ( tesla turbine/pump in reverse  )


I'm not a very fast builder.. but plans enough


Here is a simplified prototype spooling up, always fun:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jNH1YOfeE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1jNH1YOfeE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8FlSABPYy0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8FlSABPYy0)


Keep up the fun!








Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: ramset on November 12, 2015, 08:21:06 PM




                                                    Yes !!
Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: aussiebattler on May 17, 2016, 12:31:36 PM
Is anybody still interested in this subject. I think I have some interesting input to share

Title: Re: Clem Engine was the real deal, I now know how it works and can prove it!
Post by: Cherryman on May 09, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
Is anybody still interested in this subject. I think I have some interesting input to share


Hey Aussie!  Still around?


I'm sorry i missed you're post.


But yes, me (and many lurkers ; )  are still intrested in this kind of technology.


I find the Clermm engine one of the more possible inventions of the past.


So please share your thoughts.