Author Topic: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx) (Read 32592 times)

radiant_one · « **Reply #45 on:** August 24, 2015, 01:19:29 PM »

Geofusion thanks for putting up those schematics. My first video was like your 1st setup. The cold side of the flyback was connected straight to the ground.

I have put up another video called Radiant green arc (and electro-radiant shockwave) #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqptq7A9cGU

This video describes a radiant green DC spark and how this causes a felt shockwave to be emitted from a lightbulb. The video utilises such an arc to partially light two 25w 240v bulbs. A few photos follow. Hoping the resolutions are better sized this time - thanks TinselKoala for last time!

There is no overunity performance suggested or implied.

Hoppy · « **Reply #46 on:** August 24, 2015, 02:32:55 PM »

Quote from: radiant_one on August 24, 2015, 01:19:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqptq7A9cGU

This video describes a radiant green DC spark and how this causes a felt shockwave to be emitted from a lightbulb. The video utilises such an arc to partially light two 25w 240v bulbs. A few photos follow. Hoping the resolutions are better sized this time - thanks TinselKoala for last time!

There is no overunity performance suggested or implied.

radiant_one,

How did you determine that the radiant green spark is DC?

NickZ · « **Reply #47 on:** August 24, 2015, 02:42:26 PM »

The actual performance and efficiency of the circuit is low, and the ground line is not really adding anything extra to the circuit, nor is it extracting any "extra" energy from the ground.
The green streaming SG color most likely indicates that the copper wire end at the SG is burning and producing that green color.
In a like manner this very high voltage stream will also burn out any CFL, or LED bulbs in a short time. So, just what are we learning here? Low efficiency, and No extra energy from the ground, either. And all the bulbs will all get blackened and burn out.
So, what's the point?
A bulb connected to the grid, on just side, and the other side of the bulb to an earth ground will do the same, without all the un-needed HV. If there is no OU in this circuit, then what's the point, Or, am I missing something?

A single transistor Joule Ringer circuit, is a much simpler circuit, and does more to light any bulb of less than 60 watts.

GeoFusion · « **Reply #48 on:** August 24, 2015, 04:11:28 PM »

Hi there guyz

radiant_one,
no problem, schematics are available. it's meant for humanity.
This discovery is very important for just a small device setup like this,
but It shows to have potential somewhere but needs to be experimented with alot and many variants and many errors in trail while at it

. experimenters.
Nice work man

,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqptq7A9cGU
See that you also felt the shockwaves coming out of the system while producing the correct SG type.
quite amazing

it is, and without the ground it doesn't produce as much or nothing.
Yes, these are different sets of SG types as you can see, has to be played with alot and having the perfect distance for best output, frequency and impedance.
I am Familiar with those Green arc portion of the heavy radiant plasma arcs, For me it's also the burning of copper in beginning.
yet it shows there is some Amps within that SG

in the formation of discharge. Very nice to able to make a pic of it.

I managed once to light up between device and the ground line putting 25 TL Light bulbs each 15watts ( @~375 W), connected to the system, all are lit lit and
quite beautiful, some of them not fully lit but something brillaint though and lit up my garden like crazy

. I will make a video soon of this one.
this is an example from my 3de vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRdG4_BkxPI

But right now also busy on ruslan/ akula/ Ibrahim schematics.
Check this one out , my second recording of the system, to see variants and how I use it, it gives many ideas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hU5CCBt5k

Nickz and for others,
The device in it's low performance right now is to see the effect with the earth and how it performs.
It's not yet in stages for best output determination but that will come.
As you can see it has potential to become something and is a piece of the puzzle to Tariel Kapanadze's also.
Ofcource there needs more to be done on this and to be figuring out, but Only when experimenting and trying it out you will see what it does.
Sometimes videos ain't telling much until trying it our selfs.
an example In my second vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3hU5CCBt5k
See how I only touch the sement and my tent with the ground wire to make it arc and function.
You can see it Attracts. But attracts what? it needs to touch a surface, A Mass that collects. Just like a tesla coil needs to connect his end to a mass.
It is taking particles from environment of equal force of what is being produced by the flyback and circuitry. that is what is flowing thru the ground wire and RF.
Check Tesla or Don Smith Theories.
When operating this kind of devices, I never apply the system (Conventional) laws of electricity much, I have other perspectives, and learned alot on my own.
And learned from others how they go about there systems and having help from sources of unknown to many.
seeing a/c in another way how to use and d/c pulses in other systems too. but it's all about experimenting and trying it out.
I will never wait for someone to be done with something for me to have it, until someone does,
I will fully respect when someone achieves something or is busy and so close and near achievement.

Remember this is already done by using a 12V battery as input
( You will get shocked by radiant when touching the negative and positive sides of the battery when system is running)
lightly or heavy depending input and ground or mass attraction.
It's to show there is no SWER system involved here. I made sure of this.
remember a System just like Vasmus, that ground line, it's attraction, a tension.

never forget that I'm here to assist and help

If I do share something is because something I am sharing has potential and works.

Cheerz~

pomodoro · « **Reply #49 on:** August 24, 2015, 04:41:54 PM »

Cool video there. The green color is most definitely caused by some excited atoms of copper returning to the ground state and emitting their characteristic wavelengths as mentioned. Are you able to show a piece of metallic foil being attracted to the bulb?

Hoppy · « **Reply #50 on:** August 24, 2015, 05:58:49 PM »

Quote from: GeoFusion on August 24, 2015, 04:11:28 PM

Hi there guyz

radiant_one,
no problem, schematics are available. it's meant for humanity.
This discovery is very important for just a small device setup like this,

Cheerz~

@ Geo,

What discovery? The earth is acting as part of the circuit, so what is so important or special about this? The green colour of the spark has already been explained above. There is no energy being extracted from the ground, at least none that can be satisfactorily demonstrated.

GeoFusion · « **Reply #51 on:** August 24, 2015, 09:46:58 PM »

Hoppy,
"at least none that can be satisfactorily demonstrated."

?... I think you might be overlooking something here

yet showing this device working is maybe not what you expect or want to see.

Yes, Earth forms a part of circuitry as it rotates just like a generator and recieving waves from the sun and inner sun constantly.
there is sufficient evidence on how these energies/ions/electricity and heat forms can be used.
I think I have shown alot in some of my videos to convince ppl already there is something

,
will not go in heavy discussion about it, we only need to understand
and see to use it in a usable form.

You know how a Tesla coil works right? Well place that knowledge onto this device.
Try to understand why the ground activates the ground device that I have and without it doesn't operate.
and this is without grid connections what so ever, only battery.

what is radiant energy..
What are Ions..how does it exist in nature.
What consist of that powerful electric discharge during lighting strikes, where does that energy come from and generate and how.
You guest it

. This should be enough hints for sure.

ambient energy to usable, we just need to crank it up and see

.
Just know how to build a device that captures and vacuums and stores and amplifies.
This is just one device that can show it in a small scale for now.

Hoppy · « **Reply #52 on:** August 24, 2015, 11:21:24 PM »

Quote from: GeoFusion on August 24, 2015, 09:46:58 PM

Hoppy,
"at least none that can be satisfactorily demonstrated."

?... I think you might be overlooking something here yet showing this device working is maybe not what you expect or want to see.

I'm referring to the setup capturing energy from the ground being satisfactorily demonstrated, not just the setup working by illuminating lamps from high voltage, which is to be expected. What might I be overlooking?

NickZ · « **Reply #53 on:** August 25, 2015, 01:51:57 AM »

Geo":
Remember that Igor Moroz as well as Lasersaber played around with several HV systems, and several others tried as well, but never managed to have any of them self run.
What is new or different about what you're showing, concerning the ground? What potential does it have? As it just looks like an inefficient way to light up, and possibly burn out some bulbs, from too high a voltages. OR not?
Nelson's system did light some bulbs for a few seconds, using only a ground, and a kick start to get it going. I'd like to hear more about that, as he improves on it, and hopefully will obtain an even higher output from it.

nelsonrochaa · « **Reply #54 on:** August 25, 2015, 02:05:22 AM »

Quote from: radiant_one on August 24, 2015, 01:19:29 PM

Geofusion thanks for putting up those schematics. My first video was like your 1st setup. The cold side of the flyback was connected straight to the ground.

I have put up another video called Radiant green arc (and electro-radiant shockwave) #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqptq7A9cGU

This video describes a radiant green DC spark and how this causes a felt shockwave to be emitted from a lightbulb. The video utilises such an arc to partially light two 25w 240v bulbs. A few photos follow. Hoping the resolutions are better sized this time - thanks TinselKoala for last time!

There is no overunity performance suggested or implied.

Hi Radiant_one,
I will like to do my own personal opinion about the subject of green color that you observe .

I do some tests with the same result green effect and is not a effect of cooper of wires, because i able to control to show green or violet like you did when you approach the arc.

The green color is caused when a charged particle, most commonly an electron, travels through a dielectric (electrically polarizable) medium with a speed greater than that at which light would otherwise propagate in the same medium.

the green color is not green actually but blue, but our eye only can capture the green color.
Edwin Gray observe the same effect in their circuit combining "cold" electricity with high voltage .

As a charged particle travels, it disrupts the local electromagnetic field in its medium. In particular, the medium becomes electrically polarized by the particle's electric field.
If the particle travels slowly, then the disturbance elastically relaxes back to mechanical equilibrium as the particle passes.
When the particle is travelling fast enough, however, the limited response speed of the medium means that a disturbance is left in the wake of the particle, and the energy contained in this disturbance radiates as a coherent shockwave that show the green color .

Good luck to your work

TinselKoala · « **Reply #55 on:** August 25, 2015, 02:28:33 AM »

Quote from: nelsonrochaa on August 25, 2015, 02:05:22 AM

Hi Radiant_one,
I will like to do my own personal opinion about the subject of green color that you observe .

I do some tests with the same result green effect and is not a effect of cooper of wires, because i able to control to show green or violet like you did when you approach the arc.

This is a logical fallacy. The proper control experiment is to compare different electrode _materials_ under the _same_ conditions of arcing.

Quote

The green color is caused when a charged particle, most commonly an electron, travels through a dielectric (electrically polarizable) medium with a speed greater than that at which light would otherwise propagate in the same medium.

the green color is not green actually but blue, but our eye only can capture the green color.
Edwin Gray observe the same effect in their circuit combining "cold" electricity with high voltage .

As a charged particle travels, it disrupts the local electromagnetic field in its medium. In particular, the medium becomes electrically polarized by the particle's electric field.
If the particle travels slowly, then the disturbance elastically relaxes back to mechanical equilibrium as the particle passes.
When the particle is travelling fast enough, however, the limited response speed of the medium means that a disturbance is left in the wake of the particle, and the energy contained in this disturbance radiates as a coherent shockwave that show the green color .

Good luck to your work

Let's see someone produce a "green arc" when there is no copper involved in the electrodes producing the arc.

Quote

the green color is not green actually but blue, but our eye only can capture the green color.

That gets a ROFL for sure. Can you support your claim with a spectrogram or two? Of course you cannot.

nelsonrochaa · « **Reply #56 on:** August 25, 2015, 03:03:02 AM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 25, 2015, 02:28:33 AM

Let's see someone produce a "green arc" when there is no copper involved in the electrodes producing the arc.

That gets a ROFL for sure. Can you support your claim with a spectrogram or two? Of course you cannot.

Hi ,
Actually i give a opinion about this subject , and is naturally only one more opinion in a ocean of words like is normally in that kind of forum .
Is not supposed to be a claim because this was study in laboratory in 1959 and the the man that conduct that study have been awarded with a novel but ok , i can survive with the cynicism of your words .
I dont have a spectrogram , to you sorry .

NickZ · « **Reply #57 on:** August 25, 2015, 03:17:49 AM »

That's easy to test, just use any other metal besides copper, like carbon for the electrodes, and there will probably be no green stream. Green, or greenish/blue is the color of copper burning. But, does it really matter? Normally, the green color indicates burning, so won't the same thing happen to the bulbs, causing them to burn out, as well. Or not?
HV is not very suitable for lighting up incandescent bulbs, long term, as they won't work for long. The same thing goes with ungutted CFL or LED bulbs. Mine last about one minute... and another one bites the dust, goes up in smoke, etz.

Nelson: You wrote, "As a charged particle travels, it disrupts the local electromagnetic field in its medium. In particular, the medium becomes electrically polarized by the particle's electric field."

The medium becoming "polarized" by the combined field effects, does seem logical, but, what does that actually mean? To become "polarized", in fact? Or, more importantly, just how to put that polarization effect into practice?

GeoFusion · « **Reply #58 on:** August 26, 2015, 10:25:34 PM »

Hi guyz,

Radiant_one and Nelson
Check out the posted picture I uploaded,
It seems to have something similair to the ground system i'm working on and your replication Radiant_one.
Seems to have a feed back or a injection of 230V. See that the Choke near the load is important,
might be protecting inverter or something els.
This is worth trying in many ways. as we can see it's drivin by 2 Thyristors for pulsation, I wonder how this one will do.
the HV transformer we could place a Flyback for the test. as how I did. it's thoughts I am having on this

.
Anything that can variate the system to able to do something useful with it is welcome.
So let's see.

Nickz
"polarized" having one direction of attraction, goes within one side flow within fields.
It will pull or repel, a force of energy around it depending coiling directions, types of mediums and types of drivin pulses and freq.

cheerz~

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