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Author Topic: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles  (Read 6895 times)

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Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« on: September 07, 2015, 11:56:34 PM »
Here is what I need
I need a correct diagram showing the magnetic-poles( where N and S poles are pointing ) of all of the magnets interacting in the Siberian Kolya,  in the video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g

(  Yes, I know that the above video looks like it needs no explanation, but I don't know if the hexagonal-nuts they used have something to do with the effect  )

(  I have tried replicating this at home, but with no luck  )

[  There is another video of this, which also uses small toy-cars,    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiMQPeYJrQ    ,  and in this one,  I don't understand what the black magnet sandwiched in between the flat square silver magnets is ,  and I cannot work out a diagram of where the magnetic-poles( where N and S poles are pointing ) of all of the magnets  ]

The video below just uses a toroidal-magnet and a cylinder magnet( made of smaller disc-magnets ),  and I can easily compare that to a diagram of a toroidal-magnet showing the little neutral-zone that occurs in it's magnetic field .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUihboGkJnE

[  There should be an individual Wikipedia page devoted to this.   I have searched a lot on the web,  but there is nothing suitable  .   If a Wikipedia page would be made, it should just stick to the basics of the effect, instead of more complex designs .   ]
    You would think that if a very light cylinder magnet was put in the little neutral-zone below a toroidal-magnet( the toroidal magnet pointing to the ground )  that then the very light cylinder magnet might levitate successfully ( but I assume it may spin out sideways ).
     Or, if the light cylinder magnet was shaped fatter at its end closest to the earth,  so that it would be stabilized by the fatter end (  but then the fat end would be more attracted to the toroidal magnet )     ]
     
    But, all I need is the diagram described in the first paragraph .

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2015, 02:52:47 PM »
those type of ceramic magnets are N/S through the flat faces.
   
   _____
 /  N     /|
/____/ /
|____|/




and on the nuts there's one north up and one north down.  the nuts will allow the N and N poles to be attached together...


Similar to correlated magnetic research (CMR)


http://www.polymagnet.com/polymagnet-catalog/  (videos at bottom)


can make an attraction and repulsion in the same area...


Here maybe I should draw a picture...


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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2015, 03:09:32 PM »
I don't know the answer.

This should interest you:
http://overunity.com/15083/the-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning/120/#.Ve7fWHfaAgg

Spelling can be everything in Google. I think colia is a preferred spelling.

You may find this interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs94RpN9MyA

and a mention at the bottom of this page:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19576-hogan-jakovlewich-overunity-generator.html?highlight=colia

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2015, 03:09:32 PM »
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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2015, 03:41:09 PM »
The video linked in the OP has nothing to do with Marinov's Siberian Coliu other than being mentioned in Nikolayev's book. Rather, it is what I call the Nikolayev trailer-hitch. The key to success is using spacers properly between the sandwiched magnets. Or using ring magnet + bar magnet as I have illustrated in my videos.

The video linked by Paul-R is a type of Siberian Coliu but does _not_ cover the most interesting behaviours of this system, nor does it use the proper kind of magnet rotor.  Search Google using this spelling.

Here is another good video showing some work with the Siberian Coliu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTuDrJVzCpo
Unfortunately this system also does not show the most interesting behaviour.

If you are really interested in this system, look for Jeffrey Kooistra's "Warlock's Wheel" work when he was writing for Mallove's Infinite Energy magazine. Kooistra did demonstrate the really interesting phenomena in a simple system that you can reproduce on your tabletop.

When the device is constructed as Marinov and Nikolayev actually specified, with oppositely oriented bar magnets as the "rotor" and a single flat conductive ring "stator", free to move co-axially with the central bar magnet rotor, then you will start to see the most amazing things. The "stator" is contacted by brushes on the outer edge. When current is applied, the rotor turns one way, and the stator turns the other way. BUT... when the brushes contact the "stator" ring on the _inner_ edge, then when current is applied, the rotor bar magnets turn one way... and the stator ring turns _in the same direction_.

I think the reason you don't see more discussion of this phenomenon is that many people simply don't believe it. Look up Kooistra's work.



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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 06:27:33 PM »
This, from "Infinite energy" magazine, relates:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue39/deviceupdate.html

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 08:14:11 PM »
    d3x0r  ,   I was thinking that the diagram I have posted below,    would succeed in making the  magnetic-coupling  effect  .    Trying with my configuration seems to get on the track to success( even though I don't succeed),   but when I try your configuration I get less near to the effect .
    (  I based my diagram on   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g   )

          My diagram seems to be the opposite of your diagram,  but I assume you would be right  .
          (  You based your diagram on   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiMQPeYJrQ     )

   This magnetic-coupling effect  would be an important invention/principle for many researchers in overunity and other fields,  and deserves a wikipedia page ( and another wikipedia page for the topic and the founding work related to it ).

    TinselKoala ,  I only needed the thing I typed above. 
                  But,   I had read one of your posts in this site,  when you were experimenting with the powered designs related to this,    and you typed that when you switched the current from a continuous current  to a pulsed-current,    that the results changed dramatically (  that two components started rotating in the same direction  ) .
                   That made me wonder if the result you got could be attributable to  how a 'transformer'  works,   because I have only just learned that transformers can only work if the current is pulsed .
                    I don't know if I have recalled the details correctly .

                   And, when you described placing the brushes on different parts of the stator-ring,  I think of the  magnetic-field diagram  showing the  neutral-zone( used for magnetic-coupling )  of  a normal  ring-permanent-magnet ,   and then I try and imagine how the magnetic-field  of that  ring-magnet would change with your research ,  even though the stator-ring you use is an electromagnet .
                   
                   One of the scientists who founded this work,  apparently demonstrated a PM device at the public conference,   3 balls were put in a magnetic ring,  and they rotated in different directions,  but that sounds like the only fake story related to this work .
                 
                  yes, this work is amazing,  and the more I look into it the more I'm amazed,  but I'm sticking to the small and simple stuff 

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 03:47:10 AM »
they're not n/s on sides, they are north-south up-down

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2015, 05:07:21 AM »
d3x0r ,  I have drawn the diagram as you said,   it is below  .
            I assume that you are right,  because that looks like what the  magnetic-pole orientations would be for   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiMQPeYJrQ   ,  but,    have you actually made it work using your own magnets ?

             (   Also below, is the only magnetic-pole orientations that I seem to have more luck with,  even though I don't succeed  )

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 05:36:17 PM »
d3x0r ,  I have drawn the diagram as you said,   it is below  .
            I assume that you are right,  because that looks like what the  magnetic-pole orientations would be for   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiMQPeYJrQ   ,  but,    have you actually made it work using your own magnets ?

             (   Also below, is the only magnetic-pole orientations that I seem to have more luck with,  even though I don't succeed  )


well other than I noticed when he attached the magnet sideways it kinda flipped (but I was expecting that) so I know the poles are n/s veritcally...


I did try to grab a few magnets and try some things; but the ones I have are too large... so I can't get them on a nut effecitvely.  and I don't have a convenient car for them...


The ones I have have too much lift... so would probably be better if the bottom one was aligned the opposite way as the car's magnet.. so that's the attracting one to pull it down; although it would probably do a wheely and still attached to the ones I have.
(mine are probably twice as large in all dimensions effecitvely 8x the size)


so like the top drawing on your last post I would think would work well.

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 10:27:00 PM »
Here is the reason that I am not totally sure if you are correct.

Below, is a diagram of how a  ring-magnet  attracts/repels a   bar-magnet( cylinder-magnet )  which is in a  transparent-plastic-tube  which runs through the  hole of the  ring-magnet .

The  bar-magnet( cylinder-magnet )  in the  transparent-plastic-tube,  remains at a specific-distance from the   ring-magnet (  same effect as the toy-car ).

Look at the direction of the magnetic-poles  of those magnets ,  they are almost the same as my diagram for the  toy-car,  the only difference is that in the diagram below the  S pole of the bar-magnet  is  facing the  N pole of the  ring-magnet .

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2015, 10:30:23 PM »
It looks like I won't find a final diagram( showing the magnetic poles ) for the  'Nikolayev trailer-hitch,  as used in    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g

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The key to success is using spacers properly between the sandwiched magnets.

    But the video below,  a novelty-toy version of the  'Nikolayev trailer-hitch' ,   shows a different method of doing this   (  it's obvious that there's multiple ways to achieve this effect )

         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU

        It would be great if you could tell me if my diagram in my   'Reply #5' ,  is correct for the video below

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g   

    I assume you'll be too busy to reply  (  so I won't bother pasting my earlier reply,  where I suggested that maybe one of the  'surprising results you got' by using pulsed-current( instead of continuous current )  in a device related to this,  may have been due to an 'electrical-transformer' effect  )

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2015, 02:41:08 AM »
It looks like I won't find a final diagram( showing the magnetic poles ) for the  'Nikolayev trailer-hitch,  as used in    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g

TinselKoala   
    But the video below,  a novelty-toy version of the  'Nikolayev trailer-hitch' ,   shows a different method of doing this   (  it's obvious that there's multiple ways to achieve this effect )

         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU

        It would be great if you could tell me if my diagram in my   'Reply #5' ,  is correct for the video below

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g   

No #5 is wrong but your diagram is correct.
5 would require remagnetising the magnets... and would not demonstrate any attraction properties.

Just like the 'novelty toy' video.  Poles are vertical to the table. 

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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2015, 04:00:38 AM »
You seem to be right

(   the only thing that had made me question what have said,  is the way that the magnetic-poles are demonstrated at the start of the video   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdSSMoUT4g ,  that toy-car  does seem different to the other  toy-car  video  ,   but,   your answer could easily also be correct for this video  )

(  I accept you answer as being 100% correct for  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiMQPeYJrQ    and    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU   )

 -  I am now finnished with this topic

By the way,  another video by that novelty-toy maker  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNRDvDIqD1M  ,   I think that if you you used a much larger grid in that video,   and then put a large-flat-magnet-sled  on the grid,  to levitate above the grid,  that it would levitate successfully,   and  if you put side magnets to keep the sled from  falling out of the grid,   then it would  break  'Earnshaw's Theorem'(  'Earnshaw's Theorem'  states that magnetic levitation using only permanent-magnets,  is impossible,  and has never been done )

I don't want to waste any more time posting in this forum,  it really is mostly a waste of time


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Re: Siberian Kolya - Need correct diagram showing magnetic-poles
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2015, 03:44:04 PM »

I don't want to waste any more time posting in this forum,  it really is mostly a waste of time

Then go.

... and next time you write a subject to a thread, get your spelling right if you want to attract the most useful attention.

 

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