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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 117507 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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In their own words:
"You will never need to purchase any batteries for ELFE. You simply turn him off and the Adgex Accumulator will recharge ELFEs energy levels to full. Be aware that If ELFE is used continuously for more than 12 hours; he will be restored to full power within 7 to 14 days. The rate of recharge may vary depending on a range of geographic and environmental factors.”

Note that this statement does not jive with the light intensity vs. time graph presented up above. The graph shows a _constant_ 75 Lumens or so at the 12 hour point, with a horizontal (no decrease) trend at that point.


Q: I ran my flashlight until it went dark, and now I've waited 14 days for it to recharge itself and it still doesn't work. Why not?
A: You live in a "dead zone".
Q: Oh. Can I have my  money back, then?
A: On what basis? The device works just as we said. It's not our fault that you live in a dead zone.

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Yes, and it is important to remember that the current consumption of an LED is about nil.

(When you see the crap available under "symbols" in MS Word, it is amazing that they won't give us the "approximately equal" symbol)

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No apology needed.  My comment was aimed at Gravoc who seems to think I have a song sheet that tells me to go against real free energy devices or something.
Bill

It was Jimboot who said you, TK, milehigh, and tinman was on the same song sheet, and not me.  I do know TK and milehigh is against OU.  They'll say if it can't be self-looped, then it must be a measurement error or something and is under-unity. 

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Gravoc,

Stifflers "Quantum Energy Receiver" a good starting point ? Not really.
He does not realize that the display of his desktop-mulimeter is producing the strong nf which is riding on both measurement-leads directly to the diodes of the rectifier.

By the time he and others will realize what the source is some of his gullible followers have spent money for new magnets.

***sigh ***

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Gravoc,

Stifflers "Quantum Energy Receiver" a good starting point ? Not really.
He does not realize that the display of his desktop-mulimeter is producing the strong nf which is riding on both measurement-leads directly to the diodes of the rectifier.

By the time he and others will realize what the source is some of his gullible followers have spent money for new magnets.

***sigh ***

Kator01

Where did I say Stiffler's "Quantum Energy Receiver" is a good starting point?  I said his research would be a good starting point.  In other-words, his research in general would be a good starting point, IMO.  If you want me to be more specific, then I would say something based around Stiffler's Spatial Resonance Frequency (SRF).  For more information, see Dr. Stiffler's video on driving LEDs with no battery and no transistor.

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Note that this statement does not jive with the light intensity vs. time graph presented up above. The graph shows a _constant_ 75 Lumens or so at the 12 hour point, with a horizontal (no decrease) trend at that point.

Their statement does jive with the light intensity vs. time graph.  Adgex's accumulator is based on NiCd and we can see from the light blue line on the graph below how it stays horizontal through it's entire discharge cycle until the end.  Their accumulator is more like a hybrid or a cross between a battery and a super capacitor, so it's not going to have the same horizontal line throughout it's entire discharge cycle as a NiCd battery would (the first 7 hours looks more like a lead acid battery).  Towards the end of the discharge cycle where there is a dramatic decrease in the trend of the light blue line is where I suspect Adgex is using a joule thief to extend the running time from 8 hrs to 12 hrs, which would then keep a near constant 75 lumens through the rest of the discharge cycle.  Adgex's graph shows a dotted vertical line at the end of it's discharge cycle around the 12 hr mark to represent it's total discharge time.  This dotted vertical line shows approximately where the NiCd super-capacitor will fall below the voltage threshold required to further light the LED at any lumens, thus a horizontal line with no decrease trend at that point.  Look at the Altairnano Li-ion (red line) total discharge time (TDT), it's discharge is relatively horizontal through the entire discharge cycle with little to no decrease trend at the end of the discharged cycle, similar to what we see in the Adgex's graph.  Also note, how they used a dotted line to represent the TDT as Adgex did.  How convenient of you to over-look the dotted vertical line at the 12 hr mark and how convenient of you to ignore the variations in the discharge cycle amongst the different types of accumulators.


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The shaking torch is more convenient/reliable.don't have to live or stand in the right area when using

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Q: I ran my flashlight until it went dark, and now I've waited 14 days for it to recharge itself and it still doesn't work. Why not?
A: You live in a "dead zone".
Q: Oh. Can I have my  money back, then?
A: On what basis? The device works just as we said. It's not our fault that you live in a dead zone.

Most people will not use their flashlight for 12 hours at a time.  According to them, if you use the flashlight for a few hours per day, then it will always have a charge to provide light.  2 hours per day x 6 days = 12 hours of light.  And during those six days, it will have had enough time during the worst case scenario in a dead zone to nearly maintain the flashlight at a full charge at all times.  I think this is more than reasonable for nearly all of Adgex's potential customers.


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Most people will not use their flashlight for 12 hours at a time.  According to them, if you use the flashlight for a few hours per day, then it will always have a charge to provide light.  2 hours per day x 6 days = 12 hours of light.  And during those six days, it will have had enough time during the worst case scenario in a dead zone to nearly maintain the flashlight at a full charge at all times.  I think this is more than reasonable for nearly all of Adgex's potential customers.


Gravock

Great but, we can't buy one to test these claims?  You sound like a commissioned salesperson for this product so please, tell us how/where we can buy one to evaluate?  Unless, they don't really want one evaluated?  Several folks here said they tried to order one but...no go.

So, what gives?


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Offline profitis

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Self-discharge is the enemy of the average torch.batteries leak current to below voltage threshold while sitting around doing nothing.

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Everything is dead according to their song-sheet.  I'm sure you'll have a hand in them being investigated.  How dare a company set-up in Australia and not have a 70+ white Aussie male on it's board, LOL.   

Gravock

Ummm...Jim did not make this post, you did.  This is what I was responding to.  Do you not remember making this post?

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The shaking torch is more convenient/reliable.don't have to live or stand in the right area when using

Do you use your flashlight for 12 hours a day, every day of the week?  Come on, lets get realistic here!  When I installed satellite dishes where my drill was constantly being used, I had 4 battery packs for my drill.  Same principal with the ELFE flashlight.  Nobody says you can't acquire additional flashlights over time if you need more than a few hours of light per day, everyday of the week.

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Do you use your flashlight for 12 hours a day, every day of the week?  Come on, lets get realistic here!  When I installed satellite dishes where my drill was constantly being used, I had 4 battery packs for my drill.  Same principal with the ELFE flashlight.  Nobody says you can't acquire additional flashlights over time if you need more than a few hours of light per day, everyday of the week.

Gravock

We just want to acquire 1 for testing.  Are they selling them or not?

Bill

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Great but, we can't buy one to test these claims?  You sound like a commissioned salesperson for this product so please, tell us how/where we can buy one to evaluate?  Unless, they don't really want one evaluated?  Several folks here said they tried to order one but...no go.

So, what gives?


Bill

I sound like a commissioned salesperson because I'm trying to keep things real by putting things back into it's proper context by not allowing this product and the company itself to be unfairly misrepresented without having a good cause or showing a good logical reason?  Even e2matrix has said he has seen a number of false statements and info that isn't correct.  I could say you and others sound like a competitor and trying to paint the company's product in a bad light in order to run the company out-of-business.  We'll have to wait til the product becomes available around Nov. 28.  You should be at ease that they're not taking peoples money  before they have a physical item to ship, or not taking peoples money and shipping them a fake product.  It takes time to acquire a manufacture and to set-up an assembly line.

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gravock''Do you use your flashlight for 12 hours a day?''

No but I'd still rather shake the thing,its more fun and more certain :)


''Nobody says you can't acquire additional flashlights
over time if you need more than a few hours of light
per day, everyday of the week.''

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