Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar (Read 187698 times)

txt · « **Reply #450 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:52:03 AM »

Before you post your next BS, please study at least what it is about. You will save the time of all of us.

Avramenko's plug has nothing to do with energy harvesting. It is "means for transmission of electrical energy from the initial source to a consuming device via a single-wire transmission line"

As you may know, the ELFE flashlight does not use any wire to plug into any source. At least ADGEX does not ship any cable with it, and never spoke about the necessity of plugging the flashlight somewhere.

gravityblock · « **Reply #451 on:** March 04, 2016, 01:38:01 AM »

Quote from: txt on March 04, 2016, 12:52:03 AM

Before you post your next BS, please study at least what it is about. You will save the time of all of us.

Avramenko's plug has nothing to do with energy harvesting. It is "means for transmission of electrical energy from the initial source to a consuming device via a single-wire transmission line"

As you may know, the ELFE flashlight does not use any wire to plug into any source. At least ADGEX does not ship any cable with it, and never spoke about the necessity of plugging the flashlight somewhere.

More misdirection by you! When the AFEP generator is switched on, the xenon tube flash immediately with the same strength and period than without the line. This confirms the Avramenko's claim.

Gravock

txt · « **Reply #452 on:** March 04, 2016, 09:05:03 AM »

Quote from: gravityblock on March 04, 2016, 01:38:01 AM

More misdirection by you!

You have a very short memory. I have proven wrong every single nonsensical claim of yours. All misdirection comes only from you, and so it is in this case again.

Quote from: gravityblock on March 04, 2016, 01:38:01 AM

When the AFEP generator is switched on, the xenon tube flash immediately with the same strength and period than without the line. This confirms the Avramenko's claim.

Read Avramenko's patent and the article you linked again. You misinterpret their words in the most stupid way possible. The purpose of the test was "to check the inventor's claim about the energy transmission through a single wire with the Avramenko's plug." and no energy harvesting. And when they tell "When the AFEP generator is switched on, the xenon tube flash immediately with the same strenght and period than without the line", it means that they confirmed that the tube can be powered by a single wire and that the tube lights with the same intensity as without the Avramenko's plug, powered in the standard way (with two wires).

If the tube lighted without Avramenko's plug and without any wires at all, it would not prove Avramenko's claim - it would prove that Avramenko's plug is not necessary at all, and that energy can be transmitted wirelessly without it. It would have been a failure, and not a success as clearly written in the article you linked. And if the tube lighted without any wires, it would not mean anything else than that there was a very strong EM field in the lab. You can get tubes lighting without wires easily in a very close proximity of high-power lines, where the gradient of the EM field is very steep. There is nothing magic or miraculous on it. It still does not mean you can harvest similarly high amounts of ambient energy in standard average environment.

Check out Avramenko's patent at http://www.google.com/patents/EP0639301A1 There is not a single word about energy harvesting. Its sole and only purpose is the single-wire transfer.

gravityblock · « **Reply #453 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:26:27 AM »

Quote from: txt on March 04, 2016, 09:05:03 AM

You have a very short memory. I have proven wrong every single nonsensical claim of yours. All misdirection comes only from you, and so it is in this case again.
Read Avramenko's patent and the article you linked again. You misinterpret their words in the most stupid way possible. The purpose of the test was "to check the inventor's claim about the energy transmission through a single wire with the Avramenko's plug." and no energy harvesting. And when they tell "When the AFEP generator is switched on, the xenon tube flash immediately with the same strenght and period than without the line", it means that they confirmed that the tube can be powered by a single wire and that the tube lights with the same intensity as without the Avramenko's plug, powered in the standard way (with two wires).

If the tube lighted without Avramenko's plug and without any wires at all, it would not prove Avramenko's claim - it would prove that Avramenko's plug is not necessary at all, and that energy can be transmitted wirelessly without it. It would have been a failure, and not a success as clearly written in the article you linked. And if the tube lighted without any wires, it would not mean anything else than that there was a very strong EM field in the lab. You can get tubes lighting without wires easily in a very close proximity of high-power lines, where the gradient of the EM field is very steep. There is nothing magic or miraculous on it. It still does not mean you can harvest similarly high amounts of ambient energy in standard average environment.

Check out Avramenko's patent at http://www.google.com/patents/EP0639301A1 There is not a single word about energy harvesting. Its sole and only purpose is the single-wire transfer.

I hope you realize the single-wire transfer generates longitudinal waves. This is a near field phenomenon, which has already been mentioned in this topic. The wireless energy transmitted from a single mobile phone is capable of lighting a LED. Longitudinal waves are mentioned in the patent and in the reference links on JL Naudins site. According to JLN, "Energy is transmitted through the single-wire and free electrons sucked from the air are used for triggering the flash..." If sucking free electrons from the air isn't energy harvesting, then I don't know what is! You should study the link I provided earlier on surface and space charges.

Gravock

txt · « **Reply #454 on:** March 04, 2016, 11:07:37 AM »

Quote from: gravityblock on March 04, 2016, 10:26:27 AM

I hope you realize the single-wire transfer generates longitudinal waves. This is a near field phenomenon, which has already been mentioned in this topic. The wireless Energy transmitted from your mobile phone is capable of lighting a LED. Longitudinal waves are mentioned in the patent and in the reference links on JL Naudins site. According to JLN, "Energy is transmitted through the single-wire and free electrons sucked from the air are used for triggering the flash..." If sucking free electrons from the air isn't energy harvesting, then I don't know what is!

It looks like you do not understand what longitudinal waves are. You can read about them for example in Wikipedia. There is nothing magical about them, they are very common types of waves. Sound waves are the typical example of longitudinal waves. I have no idea what you mean by "near field phenomenon", but longitudinal waves are not limited by distances. I guess you used the term just because you think it looks magical enough to make some impression.

Lighting dimly a tiny LED with a few microwatts at the distance of the antenna from the phone of about a centimeter, is also no miracle. Every kid could explain you why (check Inverse Square Law). The video you posted, demonstrates perfectly how small the levels of available ambient RF energy are, and how quickly they dissipate with distance from the source - the phone typically emits with the power of some 2W, but already at few millimeters from the source the gain is just in microwatts (the tiny diode has typical nominal power of units of milliwatt, but it is blinking just dimly and shortly far below its nominal brightness, despite using quite a big loop antena).

And no, the "sucking of electrons from the air" is no energy harvesting. It is simply the interaction of the EM field of the tube with the environment. The EM field on the tube is created with the help of the diodes and the capacitor, who are fed the energy with the standing wave through the single-wire feed from the generator. It is a principle similar to monopole or long-wire antennas, with the difference that both ends are connected here, and that there is no wireless transmission. In other words, the energy does not come from the air, it comes from the generator. Again, read the patent of Avramenko for the detailed explanation.

mscoffman · « **Reply #455 on:** March 04, 2016, 08:38:18 PM »

I believe that a coherer was a device that caused a magnetic field to modulate it's internal contact resistance
carrying a DC current derived from an external DC source. The magnetic field could have been cause by an RF
current capacitively coupled internally. So you have iron filings maybe surrounding a magnet and the RF current
caused the iron filings to "seat" closer to one another lowering the devices internal resistance depending on the
peak RF magnitude. (similar to shaking a sandcasting mold) The RF would have already been seeing low
resistance because of the capacitive coupling of the iron filings. So unlike a diode used detect the RF AC the
coherer would not have rectified and converted the signal to a DC voltage. But the RF would have modulated the
device's internal impedance so to form kind of an electromechanical amplifier or relay. One more thing, the iron
filings did not decohere themselves so the device needed an electromagnetic tapper to periodically reset the iron
filings to a more random busseled state. This thing was modeled on the carbon microphones used in telephones of
the time. These devices would have been used to detect telegraphic CW continuous wave modulation on an RF
carrier and probably would not have worked very well in the audio range. It's clear that this device would
have died with the advent of higher bandwidth semiconductor rectifiers, electronic amplifiers, and BFO beat
frequency oscillators for CW reception.

memoryman · « **Reply #456 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:23:38 PM »

the end result: the ELFE is a fake, as are (at least so far) all OU devices.

txt · « **Reply #457 on:** March 05, 2016, 01:52:27 PM »

Quote from: mscoffman on March 04, 2016, 08:38:18 PM

So unlike a diode used detect the RF AC the
coherer would not have rectified and converted the signal to a DC voltage.

Yes, that's true for coherers generally, except of the Tripod coherer by Branly (shown earlier in this thread), that was claimed to be able of rectifying AC to DC, at least to certain degree. Still, its efficiency, sensitivity, stability, and suitability for rectifying wide spectrum of RF would be very far from the quality of standard semiconductor diodes.

skywatcher · « **Reply #458 on:** March 21, 2016, 11:02:02 PM »

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/elfe-the-energy-free-flashlight--2#/

At least it has become cheaper: for $125 you will get 20 flashlights.

txt · « **Reply #459 on:** March 21, 2016, 11:27:41 PM »

Yes, it looks like ADGEX starts to dump their stock of the flashlights, because even hard-core Free Energy fans now see ELFE is nothing else than an ordinary torch. The number of failed tests grow every week - so far there are 11 known tests - all of them failed completely. See the details here. ADGEX was notified about it many times by customers - they always answer they are aware of the problem and that they will ship a new flashlight as soon as they fix it. However, they do not hesitate to ship the non-functional flashlights to any new customers. This situation continues since the end of November 2015.

The most funny is that the Indiegogo campaign was started by Viktor Uzlov, the Managing Director of ADGEX. The identity was verified by Indiegogo, and it uses the same Facebook account and email as Viktor Uzlov uses on Facebook too. Still, Vasily Muzanov, the ELFE project manager, has sent the following letter when asked by a customer:

Quote

Hello Mr. H***n!
We have nothing to do with the campaign at indiegogo.com
This campaign contents fraudulent information, infinges intellectual property rights and was published without any consent from our Company
We have raised a claim about removing of the post from indiegogo and waiting details of its author to file charges against him.

Please be advised that the only place where you can purchase ELFE is our official trading platform www.trade.adgex.com.au
If you see any links at other websites, they MUST redirect you to www.trade.adgex.com.au
There is no any other place to buy ELFE for now!

As regards your case with defective ELFE, we have figured out the problem and now fixing all faulty flashlights we have
Later on today when our European division opens, I will get some infrormation about shipping terms of new serviceable ELFE to you

I will inform you today just after I receive this information

Best Regards,
Vasily Muzanov
ADGEX

It looks like the company is not even able to write a single sentence that would not be a complete lie.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #460 on:** March 23, 2016, 03:54:43 AM »

Wow!! If I paid $100 for one, I would be really pissed that you can now buy one for what...$6?

We know they don't work as advertised but, i would much rather be out 6 than 100 dollars. Thanks for this update.

Bill

skywatcher · « **Reply #461 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:42:51 PM »

Now the indiegogo campaign is offline.

txt · « **Reply #462 on:** March 23, 2016, 10:08:12 PM »

Quote from: skywatcher on March 23, 2016, 08:42:51 PM

Now the indiegogo campaign is offline.

Yes, exactly. I've sent them the link to the Metabunk thread, and they closed it very promptly

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #463 on:** March 24, 2016, 12:41:14 AM »

Quote from: txt on March 23, 2016, 10:08:12 PM

Yes, exactly. I've sent them the link to the Metabunk thread, and they closed it very promptly

Good for you, and good for them for closing it down so fast. I'm guessing that these scammers will pop back up again somewhere else very soon.

Bill

MileHigh · « **Reply #464 on:** March 24, 2016, 01:50:44 AM »

Doubly good for you! There wasn't even a "campaign." They offered no project and no value whatsoever. It was just shameless begging for money.

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