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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 114189 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Adgex developed and successfully tested a line of autonomous household lamps ranging from 1 to 5 watts.  The 2 watts I used in my example almost falls in the middle of where they tested.  However, their flashlight can power a 5 watt light source from thin air. 

Gravock

Great! Where can I buy one of these autonomous household lamps? Do you have one, or know anyone that does?

As to the other claim of powering a 5 watt light source from thin air... where is your actual evidence for that?

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The rate of recharge varies depending on a range of geographic and environmental factors.  In one of their videos, it says if the flashlight is placed in a "dead zone", then it will take 7 -14 days to recharge.  However, if the environmental factors are right, then it can fully recharge in 2 - 4 hours.

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That's hilarious! So now there are "dead zones" in the Schumann resonance!

Heck, I can say the exact same thing for my own "flashlight", except mine charges even faster "if environmental factors are right"... plus, I use an LED that puts out over 40 lumens on just 310 mW DC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9wxuRZV-Ro

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That's hilarious! So now there are "dead zones" in the Schumann resonance!

Heck, I can say the exact same thing for my own "flashlight", except mine charges even faster "if environmental factors are right"... plus, I use an LED that puts out over 40 lumens on just 310 mW DC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9wxuRZV-Ro

Energy harvesting from the environment isn't anything new, and why you're getting your panties all in a knot over this is quite hilarious to say the least.  Your reply tells me you haven't read any of their documents or watched any of their videos.  The dead zone is in reference to no electromagnetic waste or noise from other sources (wifi, cell phone towers, etc).  In a dead zone, then it'll take much longer to recharge by the Schumann resonance frequencies alone.  In a zone with heavy electromagnetic noise, then it may only take 3 - 4 hours.  Taking up to 14 days to recharge isn't an outrageous claim as you falsely assert, LOL.  In fact, this shows the legitimacy of the device.

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Great! Where can I buy one of these autonomous household lamps? Do you have one, or know anyone that does?

As to the other claim of powering a 5 watt light source from thin air... where is your actual evidence for that?

I already provided you with the reference of them successfully powering light sources between 1 to 5 watts.  The flashlight is currently being sold with a 3 watt LED.  If TK can't do it, or if he can't imagine or understand how it can be done, then it's not possible to do.  According to TK, taking up to 14 days to recharge a flashlight through energy harvesting techniques is breaking the laws of physics and is similar to the thought process of those who said airplanes will never fly, the atomic bomb will never go off, bubble bees shouldn't be able to fly, etc....

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Your reply tells me you haven't read any of their documents or watched any of their videos.  The dead zone is in reference to no electromagnetic waste or noise from other sources (wifi, cell phone towers, etc).  In a dead zone, then it could take up to 14 days to recharge by the Schumann resonance frequencies alone.

Gravock

You are falling for this one hook, line and sinker.

You said this:

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They did present a physical process, and that is energy harvesting.

You want to believe so hard that you are compromising your own common sense.  "Energy harvesting" is not a physical process, it's simply a generic term and without specifying what you are talking about it is meaningless.

Also this:

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it could take up to 14 days to recharge by the Schumann resonance frequencies alone.

There is no such thing as harvesting power from the Schumann resonance, yet you want to believe.  Can you find any credible cases of harvesting power from the Schumann resonance?  I know it is discussed all the time on the forums as an idea, but it never goes further than that.

What is the physical reality of the Schumann resonance to a object at sea level anywhere on Earth?  Let's imagine something the size of a breadbox.

What does a breadbox sitting on the ground "see" with the respect to the Schumann resonance?

The answer is that it sees nothing, for all practical intents and purposes.  And nothing means nothing.

The concept of the Schumann resonance is used and abused on the free energy forums, and hence people pushing fake free energy propositions also use and abuse the concept of the Schumann resonance to make money.

Gravityblock:  Seriously, if you truly believe in extracting power from the Schumann resonance then I ask you to put forth a complete explanation, from "A" to "Z" for how that mechanism works.  I am honestly not expecting you to be able to do that, and if that's the case you need to take a step back and think about how you are dealing with this "free energy flashlight" proposition.

What I am sensing here is like that Keppe motor, or something like the false claims of the Keshe Foundation.

Caveat Emptor.

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TK,

In regards to the joule thief.  You are more than free to hook up a joule thief to power the flashlight after the accumulator has fallen below the voltage threshold to light the LED.  However, looking at the graph for the ELFE capacity over a 12 hour period, they may be using a joule thief to extend the run time from 8 hours to 12 hours.

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So what they have is a way of charging a super cap from background electromagnetic radiation.
Now all you have to do is design a small antenna and self tuning circuit that picks up this electromagnetic radiation,and charges the cap. The dead zones they speak of would be the areas that have a very weak electromagnetic radiation field(I.E-no radio station signal).

So who here can build this self tuning circuit that will charge a super cap from every day electromagnetic radiation in 4 to 8 hours?.

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So what they have is a way of charging a super cap from background electromagnetic radiation.
Now all you have to do is design a small antenna and self tuning circuit that picks up this electromagnetic radiation,and charges the cap. The dead zones they speak of would be the areas that have a very weak electromagnetic radiation field(I.E-no radio station signal).

So who here can build this self tuning circuit that will charge a super cap from every day electromagnetic radiation in 4 to 8 hours?.

Dr. Stiffler's research would be a good starting point, IMO.  Have a look at his youtube channel.

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Energy harvesting from the environment isn't anything new,

AS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED...
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and why you're getting your panties all in a knot over this is quite hilarious to say the least.  Your reply tells me you haven't read any of their documents or watched any of their videos.

Wrong again. You're on a roll here!
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The dead zone is in reference to no electromagnetic waste or noise from other sources (wifi, cell phone towers, etc).  In a dead zone, then it'll take much longer to recharge by the Schumann resonance frequencies alone.
But their claim is that the device extracts energy from the Schumann resonance, not from other sources.
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In a zone with heavy electromagnetic noise, then it may only take 3 - 4 hours. 

AS I HAVE DEMONSTRATED, LONG AGO, but much faster.
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Taking up to 14 days to recharge isn't an outrageous claim as you falsely assert, LOL.  In fact, this shows the legitimacy of the device.

Gravock
Yet again wrong. The outrageousness of the claim is that it recharges FROM THE SCHUMANN RESONANCE.

Are you competing with Synchro1 to see who can misrepresent the most?

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Energy harvesting from the environment isn't anything new, and why you're getting your panties all in a knot over this is quite hilarious to say the least.  Your reply tells me you haven't read any of their documents or watched any of their videos.  The dead zone is in reference to no electromagnetic waste or noise from other sources (wifi, cell phone towers, etc).  In a dead zone, then it'll take much longer to recharge by the Schumann resonance frequencies alone.  In a zone with heavy electromagnetic noise, then it may only take 3 - 4 hours.  Taking up to 14 days to recharge isn't an outrageous claim as you falsely assert, LOL.  In fact, this shows the legitimacy of the device.

Gravock

So, this miracle light works on the Schumann resonance AND cellphone freqs AND wi-fi freqs? That must be one heck of a multipurpose receiving antenna they have invented.  I really do hope that they have something special...but...I have to admit this does indeed smell bad.  You posted that they said this was really good for folks living were there is no electricity.  That would be great except then, there is no wi-fi nor cell towers either.
Why would they say this?

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I already provided you with the reference of them successfully powering light sources between 1 to 5 watts.
No, you provided me with a "they said", which is hardly any kind of reference. Where can this system be purchased for examination? Nowhere, that's where.
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The flashlight is currently being sold with a 3 watt LED.
Where is it being sold? Who has bought one? Nowhere, and nobody.
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If TK can't do it, or if he can't imagine or understand how it can be done, then it's not possible to do.  According to TK, taking up to 14 days to recharge a flashlight through energy harvesting techniques is breaking the laws of physics and is similar to the thought process of those who said airplanes will never fly, the atomic bomb will never go off, bubble bees shouldn't be able to fly, etc....

Gravock
Again with the gross misrepresentations. Are you channelling Synchro again? Your strawman isn't even worth addressing in detail.

The company has made extraordinary claims which would be significant scientific breakthroughs IF TRUE, but they have not provided any credible proof of those claims.

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Dr. Stiffler's research would be a good starting point, IMO.  Have a look at his youtube channel.

Gravock
You'll believe any carny huckster with a good patter and some smoke and mirrors, obviously.

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TK,

In regards to the joule thief.  You are more than free to hook up a joule thief to power the flashlight after the accumulator has fallen below the voltage threshold to light the LED.  However, looking at the graph for the ELFE capacity over a 12 hour period, they may be using a joule thief to extend the run time from 8 hours to 12 hours.

Gravock
A three watt LED that only produces 120 lumens, big deal. The LEDs that I have repeatedly linked will produce that much light on less than ONE watt of DC power, and they only cost 65 cents US per unit in small quantities and much less than that in bulk.

And at 12 hours in that graph, the light output line is _horizontal_. Do you know how to interpret graphs? What is the significance of that horizontal trend line?


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I have some silly suggestions on how to achieve something similar(  I know nothing about electricity )

-  Those old  unpowered-crystal-radios,  could they not cram  'Numerous'  of the radio-signal receiving elements of those old radios,  into a single device  .

-  Would it be possible to make a   lattice/honeycomb/3D-mesh  radio antenna to utilize every square millimeter  of free space inside the torch,  Or,  at least utilize as much of the exterior surface as possible .

-  (    And,    a  far-fetched idea  -   is it possible to make a device that  actually attracts  radio signals to it,  deviates their normal path (  maybe an electromagnetic method )   
        Or,  is it possible to generate some type of field( electomagnetic or electric ) around the device,  and then radio signals passing through that field somehow cause energy to be generated in the device   .
        To provide power for these 2 suggestions,  you could use the energy that  the torch is already currently capable of collecting .      )

    -  Another far fetched idea,  is there any  'Theorized'  Motionless/Solid-state  method  of multiplying  electricity (  a Motionless/Solid-state  equivalent  of  'rotating-a-large-wheel-by-it's-axle, and then that  'large-wheel'  turns  'smaller-wheels'  .

    (  These things would be great for powering old types of LCD-display devices  )

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I want to post a retraction to something I said that was wrong due to my ignorance.

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- Complete and total nonsense from their own promotional material, "we must follow the flow of the electron neutrino which pierces the Earth's atmosphere in all directions." There is no such thing as an "electron neutrino."  There is no possibility of extracting energy from regular neutrinos.

I want to thank TK for pointing out to me that electron neutrinos exist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_neutrino

It's a particle in the nuclear zoo that I was not aware of.  However, I will stand by my reasonable assumption that you can't extract energy from electron neutrinos to meet the requirements for powering an LED flashlight.   Assuming that you can actually extract energy from electron neutrinos, I am going to guess it would be too small by somewhere between 12 and 20 orders of magnitude.  Also, when discussing electro-smog, what's a reasonable guess for the amount of power that you could pick up in a device the size of a flashlight?  I am going to guess somewhere between microwatts and nanowatts.  If this is actually the case, then it is impossible to pick up sufficient energy from electro-smog in a reasonable amount of time to power the flashlight for several hours.  These are simple critical thinking skills that most people have, it's just matter of exploring them in your mind.

Note that there are about three parallel "stories" about how this device allegedly draws energy in from the environment.  That in itself is a red flag.

If there are people that are willing to give this device a try, then four or five of you could pool your money together and actually order one. It would be an interesting experiment where the "device under test" is the vendor themselves.

MileHigh

 

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