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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 116040 times)

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If we take Mr. Muzanov's infos at face value, we can conclude the following:

a) If the glue has damaged any contacts, there must be more contacts inside the switch as expected, because the normal switch functionality is working well.
b) There must be some 'converter' inside the switch which harvests and converts the energy.
c) This means: there is nothing special about the accumulators.
d) Because charging doesn't work in an open circuit, there must be some sort of circuit inside the switch which switches off the LED but allows current to flow into the accumulators.
    But how can this be possible without lighting the LED ?
Yes, exactly, those are the questions I asked already when the video of Mr. Ivchenko appeared on YouTube a few weeks ago. As I speak some Russian, I  understood what he explained. The "converter" is the white plastic holder of the LED. The energy is supposed to come from the aluminium body of the flashlight - the "resonator". As I wrote already previously, the journalist doing the interview, did not have the courtesy to ask Mr. Ivchenko how the energy gets into the batteries when the circuit is interrupted by the switch.

And, BTW, the only ELFE owner who's initial claim about the recharging of the flashlight was used by PESN as the evidence of its functionality, is Rasa Viharii. Today he withdrew his original claims and tells his flashlight does not work either. Anyway, he bought five (!) of them, so he wants to test the others too, now. He completely disassembled the first one, and the content looks exactly like in the videos of the Russian customers, or like in the video of Mr. Ivchenko, ADGEX technical director. I do not think there are any additional contacts in the back button, but you can ask Rasa for some macro photos of the button switch to see it better. Have a look at the post in his FB profile at https://www.facebook.com/rasaviharii?fref=grp_mmbr_list


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A coherer simply acts as a switch that conducts current in the presence of radio waves,...
YES! Here you are finally almost perfectly right! And since the coherer works as a switch, exactly as you tell, it does not generate any power - it only switches the power that is fed to it by an external source (i.e. battery). It is nice you agree.

You made only a minor mistake - the coherer does not work well with waves. It needs pretty steep impulses. Waves will not work.

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YES! Here you are finally perfectly right! And since the coherer works as a switch, exactly as you tell, it does not generate any power - it only switches the power that is fed to it by an external source (i.e. battery). It is nice you agree.

You made only a minor mistake - the coherer does not work well with waves. It needs pretty steep impulses. Waves will not work.

Another false assertion by you.  The cumbersome mechanical "decohering" mechanism limited
the coherer to a receiving speed of 12 - 15 words per minute of Morse code.  The "imperfect
contact" coherers don't need the cumbersome mechanical decohering mechanism, thus it works
well with waves also. 

Below is an image of a Tripod coherer, built by Branly in 1902, another imperfect contact type.
Although most coherers functioned as "switches" that turned on a DC current from a battery in
the presence of radio waves, this may be one of the first rectifying (diode) detectors, because
Branly reported it could produce a DC current without a battery.  <----------Energy Harvesting

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Another false assertion by you...
I have to disappoint you. There is still a battery in the circuit. It is even in the schema you posted yourself on the previous page. And it is in every single coherer schema you can find.
Try for example this: https://www.google.com/search?q=coherer+schema
And the battery is there as a source of power. Definitely not to be recharged by by the coherer.

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I have to disappoint you. There is still a battery in the circuit. It is even in the schema you posted yourself on the previous page. And it is in every single coherer schema you can find.


And the battery is there as a source of power. Definitely not to be recharged by by the coherer.[/size]
Try for example this: https://www.google.com/search?q=coherer+schema

Battery or no battery in the circuit is totally irrelevant.  It's already been clearly shown that the coherers can produce a DC current without the need for batteries.  Now, how are you going to store the DC current produced by the coherers in order to light an LED after a sufficient charge has been built up?  A battery of course, lol!

The schema I posted on the previous page with a battery in the circuit is to test the state of the memristors and coherers and has nothing to do with producing a DC current without a battery, lol.

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I suppose you power your house with coherers, don't you?

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I suppose you power your house with coherers, don't you?

Your comment above isn't a scientific or mathematical rebuttal.

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... this may be one of the first rectifying (diode) detectors, because  Branly reported it could produce a DC current without a battery.  <----------Energy Harvesting
You misinterpreted the text again. The coherer does not make any energy harvesting at all. The tripod coherer is simply just a very primitive diode,
and hence it can convert the AC signal from an antenna to DC, just like the crystal in a crystal radio does, or like a Si diode does in modern circuits,
much more efficiently. It would be the utmost stupid idea to use a giant ineffective coherer instead of a microscopic and very efficient diode.

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Your comment above isn't a scientific or mathematical rebuttal.

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Are you saying he was not coherent?


(Sorry, I could not resist)


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You misinterpreted the text again. The coherer does not make any energy harvesting at all. The tripod coherer is simply just a very primitive diode,
and hence it can convert the AC signal from an antenna to DC, just like the crystal in a crystal radio does, or like a Si diode does in modern circuits,
much more efficiently. It would be the utmost stupid idea to use a giant ineffective coherer instead of a microscopic and very efficient diode.

Avramenko's plug

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Pavlov's reflex

Psychological projection.  Don't throw your short-comings off onto me!

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Pavlov's reflex is as related to ELFE or coherers (or whatever else in this thread you wanted to point to) as Avramenko's plug is.

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Pavlov's reflex is as related to ELFE or coherers (or whatever else in this thread you wanted to point to) as Avramenko's plug is.

You're totally lost!  The Avramenko plug, as shown by JL Naudin, demonstrates RF being harvested for energy. His Test Results : "When the AFEP generator is switched on, the xenon tube flash immediately with the same strength and period than without the line. This confirms the Avramenko's claim", and is empirical evidence supporting the ELFE's design and claims.  The Avramenko plug is made of diodes, just like the coherers can be considered a "primitive diode".  The LED's are diodes.... Wake Up!

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