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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 115612 times)

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WOW!!!

I'm really disappointed in this community.  The ELFE Flashlight appears to be based on a modified coherer.  Carefully study the basic operating principals in how the coherer operates in order to understand how the testing done on this forum and elsewhere has prevented their devices from functioning properly.

The basis for the operation of the coherer is that the metal particles (beads in this case) cohere or cling together and conduct electricity much better after being subjected to radio frequencies. The radio signal from the antenna is applied directly across the coherer's electrodes. When the radio signal from a "dot" or "dash" came in, the coherer would become conductive. The coherer's electrodes were also attached to a DC circuit powered by a battery that created a "click" sound in earphones or a telegraph sounder, or a mark on a paper tape, to record the signal. Unfortunately, the reduction in the coherer's electrical resistance persisted after the radio signal was removed. This was a problem because the coherer had to be ready immediately to receive the next "dot" or "dash". Therefore a decoherer mechanism was added, to tap the coherer, mechanically disturbing the particles to reset it to the high resistance state.

Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is not well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle coherers seem to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere by a micro-weld phenomenon caused by radio frequencies flowing across the small contact area between particles. The underlying principle of so-called "imperfect contact" coherers is also not well understood, but may involve a kind of tunneling of charge carriers across an imperfect junction between conductors.  Decohering isn't needed for the imperfect junction coherers.

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WOW!!!

I'm really disappointed in this community.  The ELFE Flashlight appears to be based on a modified coherer.  Carefully study the basic operating principals in how the coherer operates in order to understand how the testing done on this forum and elsewhere has prevented their devices from functioning properly.

The basis for the operation of the coherer is that the metal particles (beads in this case) cohere or cling together and conduct electricity much better after being subjected to radio frequencies. The radio signal from the antenna is applied directly across the coherer's electrodes. When the radio signal from a "dot" or "dash" came in, the coherer would become conductive. The coherer's electrodes were also attached to a DC circuit powered by a battery that created a "click" sound in earphones or a telegraph sounder, or a mark on a paper tape, to record the signal. Unfortunately, the reduction in the coherer's electrical resistance persisted after the radio signal was removed. This was a problem because the coherer had to be ready immediately to receive the next "dot" or "dash". Therefore a decoherer mechanism was added, to tap the coherer, mechanically disturbing the particles to reset it to the high resistance state.

Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is not well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle coherers seem to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere by a micro-weld phenomenon caused by radio frequencies flowing across the small contact area between particles. The underlying principle of so-called "imperfect contact" coherers is also not well understood, but may involve a kind of tunneling of charge carriers across an imperfect junction between conductors.  Decohering isn't needed for the imperfect junction coherers.

Gravock

A coherer acts as a memristor.  A memristor is a passive two-terminal electronic component for which the resistance (dV/dI) depends in some way on the amount of charge that has flowed through the circuit. When current flows in one direction through the device, the resistance increases; and when current flows in the opposite direction, the resistance decreases. When the current is stopped, the component retains the last resistance that it had, and when the flow of charge starts again, the resistance of the circuit will be what it was when it was last active.  Please note the trace curve (hysteresis) of the coherer and the memristor (video).

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You are 100% correct as after the first layer you get the Faradays cage effect
No, sorry Mark, not really. The wire wound around a cylinder is a simple coil. Coils with such small diameter are called "small loop antenna" or "magnetic loop". Small loop antennas do not couple with the electric field, they couple to the magnetic field, and as such the Faraday-cage effect is irrelevant. However, small loop antennas have extremely poor efficiency, but the main problem is that "the_big_m_in_ok" does not understand that the gain is definitely not at all proportional to the length of the wire used. It is a function of the geometry, the Q factor, the impendance, the inductive reactance, and the parallel capacitance that needs to tune the antenna to the required frequency. So no, more layers will not give more power.

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The "ball" coherer, designed by Branly in 1899 (image posted in previous post) is an imperfect contact type with a series of lightly touching metal balls between two electrodes.  This is similar with having loose contacts in the ELFE.  The aluminum foil used to fix the loose contacts defeated the proper operation of the ELFE.  The so-called batteries with poor contacts replaces the lightly touching balls in a coherer.  The ELFE uses a copper tube (resonant chamber) instead of the glass tubes traditionally used in coherers.

Remember, the coherer is a primitive form of a radio signal detector used in the first radio receivers during the wireless telegraphy era at the beginning of the 20th century. Its use in radio was based on the 1890 findings of French physicist Edouard Branly and adapted by other physicists and inventors over the next ten years. The device consists of a tube or capsule containing two electrodes spaced a small distance apart with metal filings in the space between. When a radio frequency signal is applied to the device, the metal particles would cling together or "cohere", reducing the initial high resistance of the device, thereby allowing an electric current to flow through it.  This is exactly how the ELFE has been designed to operate.

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The ELFE Flashlight appears to be based on a modified coherer
Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no coherer in the ELFE flashlight. Besides it, coherers are terribly inefficient, and not usable for receiving AM or lower frequencies (they were originally invented for the detection of Morse pulses). And most importantly, as already shown before, the strength of the EM field is simply way too low to harvest this amount of energy with a device of the size of the flashlight, even if you had an antenna with 100% efficiency. Regardless if it is a coherer, small loop antenna, ferrite rod antenna, dipole, monopole, yagi, parabole, or whatever else.

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Below is an image for a memristor test circuit.  This test circuit should work with the coherers and with testing the ELFE flashlight.  When S1 is closed the LED shows the status of the memristor. If the memristor is in the low resistance (on) state the led will light. If the memristor is in the high resistance state (off) the led will not light. S2 turns the memristor on. S3 turns the memristor off.

The 3 volt battery and 1k pot supply just enough voltage to light the led without effecting the on off state of the memristor.

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Coherer won't charge any batteries. You need to power the coherer that it can detect any impulses at all. In other words it consumes energy, it does not harvest it.

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No, sorry Mark, not really. The wire wound around a cylinder is a simple coil. Coils with such small diameter are called "small loop antenna" or "magnetic loop". Small loop antennas do not couple with the electric field, they couple to the magnetic field, and as such the Faraday-cage effect is irrelevant. However, small loop antennas have extremely poor efficiency, but the main problem is that "the_big_m_in_ok" does not understand that the gain is definitely not at all proportional to the length of the wire used. It is a function of the geometry, the Q factor, the impendance, the inductive reactance, and the parallel capacitance that needs to tune the antenna to the required frequency. So no, more layers will not give more power.
[/quote Not sure if you understood. The Faradays Cage effect would prevent any signal reaching lower layers.]

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Not sure if you understood. The Faradays Cage effect would prevent any signal reaching lower layers.
Of course I understand. But as I told, a small loop antenna couples directly to the magnetic field, while it is largely unaffected by the electric field (that's why it is also very well suited for electrically noisy environment, because it does not catch the parasitic electric field). And the Faraday cage shields only against the electric field, not against the magnetic field.

If you want to understand it better, imagine that the outer magnetic field interacts with the lines of force going through the axis of the coil, and around it - the deformation of that field caused by the interaction induces then the alternative current in the coil. It does not work like a mono-pole or a dipole antenna, where a static wave builds on the conductor. It is a completely different principle. Hence the shielding effect of the outer layers is irrelevant here.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no coherer in the ELFE flashlight. Besides it, coherers are terribly inefficient, and not usable for receiving AM or lower frequencies (they were originally invented for the detection of Morse pulses). And most importantly, as already shown before, the strength of the EM field is simply way too low to harvest this amount of energy with a device of the size of the flashlight, even if you had an antenna with 100% efficiency. Regardless if it is a coherer, small loop antenna, ferrite rod antenna, dipole, monopole, yagi, parabole, or whatever else.

Wrong!  A coherer simply acts as a switch that conducts current in the presence of radio waves, and thus does not have the capability to demodulate, or extract the audio signal from.  The ELFE flashlight doesn't need to extract the audio!

In regards to the strength of the EM field being way too low to harvest this amount of energy with a device the size of a flashlight is also wrong.  Imagine a body that moves at velocity v in a region where there exist an electric field E and a magnetic field B. Then an electric charge Q inside the body feels a force Q(E + v x B). Thus, inside the moving body, the v x B field acts like the electric field of a distributed source. We are concerned here with the conducting media that move in magnetic fields. We shall see that they carry electrostatic charges whose field is just as important as v x B.

It's well known that conductors do not support an electric space charge; any extra charge deposited inside moves out to the periphery almost instantaneously (Lorrain et al 1988, p 75). However, few physicists realise that conductors do carry an electric space charge when subjected to a v x B field whose divergence is not equal to zero. If the conductor is isolated, then it also carries a compensating surface charge.

In other-words, the presence of RF causes the batteries to micro-weld or cohere in the ELFE allowing current to flow through the device.  This causes the batteries inside the resonant chamber to feel a force Q(E + v x B) which causes the batteries to decohere.  This induces very tiny vibrations within the resonant chamber which has an effect that is similar to the "Shake" flashlights.

Reference:   Electrostatic charges in v x B fields: the Faraday disk and the rotating sphere

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With permission from Adgex, i'm posting my last email exchange with them, for your information (or entertainment ;) ).

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Hello Mr. xxxxxxxxxx!
First of all, I'd like to present our apologies for such unpleasant experience with ELFE flashlight.
 We are investigating the problem now and we believe that it is associated with the glueing matter, which were used for sealing the flashlight.
 At the end of the last year, we figured out that some of the flashlight had a defect button, and we revoked all batch to rectify the fault.
 As per well-grounded recommendation of our supplier, we took a desicion to use a special glue to eliminate the defect we had.
 Apparently, using glueing matter have happened to be a chemical substance, which fixed the button problem but at the same isolated and even damaged some contact points, essentially required for seamless charging of the flashlight.
 We are deeply dissapointed over the incident, but we will put forth all our exertions to ascertain and subsequently correct the fault.
 We are sure about ELFE's capabilities so we will change all faulty flashlights free of charge. No need to send them back, once the defect is rectified, we will ship you new and fully serviceable ELFE.
Should you need any further support, please contact me without hesitation
Best Regards,
Vasily Muzanov

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Hello Mr. Muzanov,
 
 thanks for your positive answer.  :)
 
 Although your explanation is not really compatible to my technical knowledge ;) i appreciate your offer to
 replace the unit and i will be happy to give it a second try. For the replacement the color is not important
 so if you only have certain colors it doesn't matter what color it has.
 
 Your explanation sounds not logical to me, because when the switch is off it should not matter if the contact
 is good or not. And it's beyond my comprehension how accumulators should be recharged in an open circuit.
 The only possibility i can imagine is that they are recharged by their internal chemistry itself, but then the
 contact also should be irrelevant.
 
 So i hope you are really sure that your technology really works, otherwise we could skip the second try and refund the money...
 
 Can i post your email on the overunity forum ?  Maybe it would be also interesting to other users.
 
 Best regards,
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Mr. xxxxxxxxxxx!
 We believe that glue has affected some parts of converting module (which grabs environmental energy and converts it into electrical) and/or its contacts with accumulators (where converted energy is stored).
 We are still working on investigating the reason of the malfunction.
 I will keep you updated on the progress of our work
Feel yourself free to post it at respective websites
Regards,
Vasily Muzanov


 

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Coherer won't charge any batteries. You need to power the coherer that it can detect any impulses at all. In other words it consumes energy, it does not harvest it.

Once again, a coherer simply acts as a switch that conducts current in the presence of radio waves.  The coherer doesn't need an external power source other than RF in order to act as a switch for current to flow and to induce tiny vibrations inside the resonant chamber due to the cohering and decohering of the so-called batteries.

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If we take Mr. Muzanov's infos at face value, we can conclude the following:

a) If the glue has damaged any contacts, there must be more contacts inside the switch as expected, because the normal switch functionality is working well.
b) There must be some 'converter' inside the switch which harvests and converts the energy.
c) This means: there is nothing special about the accumulators.
d) Because charging doesn't work in an open circuit, there must be some sort of circuit inside the switch which switches off the LED but allows current to flow into the accumulators.
    But how can this be possible without lighting the LED ?

That's pretty hard stuff to beleive...  :o

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Good evening and now we return to.....




The Dead Zone.






Bill


PS  I think that the only thing being accumulated here is money.

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PS  I think that the only thing being accumulated here is money.

Money is also some sort of energy, so it's 'free energy'. At least for them.  ;)

 

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