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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 115999 times)

Offline MileHigh

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That circuit requires a DC power supply of 9 to 10 volts.

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Hi Tinman and everyone.
I thought I might add a little to this conversation from a perspective of usable light. I do have experience in this field having worked with the late Mark E for nearly two years in developing a range led lights using very efficient circuits and LEDS ( efficiency of over 170 Lumens per watt. )
The UN sets a standard for solar powered lights that have to measure at least 25 lux at 80cm (I forget the width of coverage). To achieve this from my experience using the best circuits and LEDS you need at least 50mw. I work at much higher levels of illumination.
I could send dozens of documents with test data but I think for the sake of the argument your really at the bottom of the barrel at this level.
I tend to use at least 200mw in any type of room or desk light however in a flashlight 100mw can produce a decent light.
I have dozens of cells and experiments running as we speak.
This is one of our many products to be launched this year.
I will not get into a debate about harvesting RF and EMF I just wanted to put my experience in regarding what I would call usable light.


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1993414184/the-hydra-light-pl-500-salt-water-energycell-lante


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That circuit requires a DC power supply of 9 to 10 volts.

Only if you wish to drive large speakers.
As can be seen and heard in the video,it will work fine without the battery.


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I dont know how you keep coming up with 525uW as the charging power value,but it is wrong.
It comes from the first reading of the two multimeters in your video. One shows the voltage of 0.175V and the other one the current of 0.003A. That gives the power of 525μW.

You keep saying that 525 is our charging power,when in fact,it is the power being sent to the LED.
It does not matter where you send it. It is the power your antenna harvests, so either you send it to the LED, and then cannot charge any battery, or you send it to the AA battery, and you will need 8 months to fully charge a single AA cell.

The actual charging power value during the charging cycle is much lower than that.
If the actual charging power is even smaller than those 525μW as you tell, then it will take proportionally longer to charge the battery (it means even longer than those 8 months).

It's just a mater of scaling it up,and making the system more efficient.
If you want to run around with a 1,000 - 100,000 times bigger antenna to power your flashlight, then yes, of course you can scale it up. I am afraid you will need a truck to move around with this single flashlight and its antenna.

To say it cant be done makes you sound like MHs son,and following in his footsteps. The very same kind of thoughts came from those that some time back,laughed at the thought of turning the suns light energy directly into electrical energy.
No idea who is MHs son, but photovoltaics is known since 1849, so I doubt anyone laughed about "turning the suns light energy directly into electrical energy" in the last 175 years, or so. And it is doubtfull than anyone laughed about it before 1849, because normal people did not know much about the electricity anyway.

...but i do say it is possible to charge a torch with 3 AA batteries in it over a 24 hour period using the available EM radiation.
No, it is not possible at this size, as I demonstrated by the calculation and as you confirmed with your video too.

Who care's if it has to sit on a bench,and be plugged into a fixed harvester due to a long antenna wire,the fact remains it could be done
Yes, it could be done if you use an antenna approximately 1,000 times bigger than you did, and stay always as close to the transmitter tower as you are now.

Well it wouldnt be just 70 millilumens if the cap was allowed to charge for a 24 hour period,and we then dissipated that stored energy through an LED in a 3 hour period-now would it.
That's correct, of course. If you charge the cap (or a battery) with 525μW during 24 hours, and let it light only 3 hours, you will get 8 times higher power (24/3 = 8 ). 8 times 525μW gives the power of 4.2mW, and at the LED efficiency of 150lm/W it gives 0.63 lumen. Still not usable for a torch.

Did you grasp my experiment at all?-do you know what i was showing?. Can you really say that it is not possible ?.
Below is the circuit from the video. Put it together,and give it a shot. Then you can tell us all how much charging power it actually has,and then convert that into charge time for the AA batteries ;)
I am afraid that it is you who does not understand what you are doing. The circuit is irrelevant. No electronic circuit can generate energy. So if the input mean power is 525μW, the output mean power is 525μW minus the consumption of the circuit. When you use the input power to put it out in pulses instead of continuous DC power, the immediate output power of the pulse is amplified, but then it is followed by zero output period, so the total energy going out of the circuit will never exceed the input energy. If you do not understand this, it makes no sense to discuss any further. So if your antenna harvests 525μW of continuous power, there is no way you could ever get more than 525μWh of energy on the output within one hour.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 09:10:17 PM by txt »

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...

If you want to run around with a 1,000 - 100,000 times bigger antenna to power your flashlight, then yes, of course you can scale it up. I am afraid you will need a truck to move around with this single flashlight and its antenna.

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       guys, take a look at this:
http://www.engineersedge.com/copper_wire.htm
       I BELIEVE even if the smallest gauge (40) wire on this list would be several layers on the barrel of the flashlight at, say, 1/2" for the diameter.   It won't weigh much for a 1,000 ft. length, but you'd also need a transformer somewhere in the barrel to step down the voltage to a reasonable level.   And at least one diode and a capacitor to render it to pulsating DC.


I still agree with the nay-sayers.


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I BELIEVE even if the smallest gauge (40) wire on this list would be several layers on the barrel of the flashlight at, say, 1/2" for the diameter.   It won't weigh much for a 1,000 ft. length, but you'd also need a transformer somewhere in the barrel to step down the voltage to a reasonable level.   And at least one diode and a capacitor to render it to pulsating DC.
I am not sure whether it was a joke, or whether you have no idea how antennas work.

It looks like you think that the longer wire you use, the higher power and voltage you get. And additionally you also seem to believe that winding the wire on a cylinder will not change anything. I am sorry to disappoint you, but both of it is terribly wrong.

At a mono-pole antenna the length is determined by the wavelength of the frequency you want to receive (more precisely the antenna should be long a ¼ of the wavelength), and the pole has to be straight. You can have also so-called long wire (or random wire) antenna, but it cannot be wound on a cylinder either. Your wire wound on the flashlight would be closest to the loop antenna, but again the idea, that the longer wire you use, the more power you get, is very naive. Each antenna has certain effective aperture area, and certain gain - both of them depend on the construction of the antenna, and its dimensions, but definitely not proportionally on the length of the conductor they use. The dimensions must be tuned to the received or emitted frequency.
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Just an update about ELFE flashlight testing. Besides the ELFE failures demonstrated by Overunity users TheCell and Skywatcher, there are also several other ELFE flashlight owners who post about their testing in the ELFE Owners Facebook Group. I collected all available results from all sources I found (OU, FB, and YT), and summarized them in the ELFE thread at Metabunk. So far, I am aware of 6 completed (or partially completed) tests of the ELFE flashlight, and one is still in the starting phase. All six owners observed the same behavior, and all of them came to the same conclusion that the ELFE flashlight does not work as advertised. The results of the 7th test in progress show the same characteristics as well. There is no known test confirming the claims of ADGEX.

If there is anyone being aware of any other tests, not listed in the summary, please let me know. If there is anybody who still believes that the ELFE harvesting technology does exist and works, please post your argumentation, so that we can discuss it.

PS: many thanks and credits especially to Skywatcher for his very systematic, precise, and almost scientifically professional proceedings!

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Just an update about ELFE flashlight testing. Besides the ELFE failures demonstrated by Overunity users TheCell and Skywatcher, there are also several other ELFE flashlight owners who post about their testing in the ELFE Owners Facebook Group. I collected all available results from all sources I found (OU, FB, and YT), and summarized them in the ELFE thread at Metabunk. So far, I am aware of 6 completed (or partially completed) tests of the ELFE flashlight, and one is still in the starting phase. All six owners observed the same behavior, and all of them came to the same conclusion that the ELFE flashlight does not work as advertised. The results of the 7th test in progress show the same characteristics as well. There is no known test confirming the claims of ADGEX.

If there is anyone being aware of any other tests, not listed in the summary, please let me know. If there is anybody who still believes that the ELFE harvesting technology does exist and works, please post your argumentation, so that we can discuss it.

PS: many thanks and credits especially to Skywatcher for his very systematic, precise, and almost scientifically professional proceedings!


Thanks TXT I will update Revolution-Green


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Some news from Adgex:
Today i received an email where they apologized for my 'unpleasant experience' and offered to send me a free new lamp without the need to send back the old one.
They said that the glue used for sealing had some negative effects on some contacts, and this prevents it from correctly recharging the accumulators.
For me this explanation is beyond comprehension (and beyond my technical understanding) but we will see...

The more rational explanation would be that they want to buy some more time to collect money from their investors.   ???

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I am not sure whether it was a joke, or whether you have no idea how antennas work.

It looks like you think that the longer wire you use, the higher power and voltage you get. And additionally you also seem to believe that winding the wire on a cylinder will not change anything. I am sorry to disappoint you, but both of it is terribly wrong.
       I have a long time on this borrowed computer, but it's strongly filtered as to several categories, let alone politically incorrect subjects like p.o.r.n. (The individual 'periods' were necessary to be able to print the word on final, compiled Internet version you see here.)




I will say, starting with these...


http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/vlf/lua-ant-01.JPG
http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/vlf/yosami-02.JPG
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Cutler_VLF_antenna_array.png
http://www.virhistory.com/navy/commsta/anna/annapolis-ant-01.JPG
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Antenna_location_at_the_US_Naval_Communication_Station_Harold_E._Holt_in_Exmouth,_Western_Australia,_1972.png
http://nautilus.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/MHFCS-Tx-antenna-schematic-v2-Parlt-pub-Works-Ctee.jpg
http://www.antenna.it/military/images%20military/wire.directional.log.periodic.antennas.hf.2.jpg
       (There are a lot more schematic drawing renderings available, but I was looking for the biggest ones.   The HAARP transmitting antenna is for ULF frequencies, I believe, and should be just plain immense. 


...that large, long wire antennas can be used effectively.   Now, have you heard of Hermann Plauson?


http://www.mareasistemi.com/DIDATTICA%2027/Hermann%20Plauson%20%20Conversion%20of%20Atmospheric%20Electricity%20(Articles%20&%20patents).htm
and...
http://www.mareasistemi.com/DIDATTICA%2027/Hermann%20Plauson%20%20Conversion%20of%20Atmospheric%20Electricity%20(Articles%20&%20patents).htm#scinvjune28
(Pg. 59 to 86 of this MSS: http://www.sharingtechnology.net/People/T_Henry_%20Moray/pdf/radiant_energy.pdf
Plausson's patent by itself...
       https://www.google.com/patents/US1540998
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat1540998.pdf


If you look at patent #1,540,998 you'll see he favors suspending a very long circular coil of wire from balloons (the likes of weather balloons).   No, this won't work.   I've already mentioned this elsewhere when it was pointed out to me.   I suggested going to the Bonneville Salt Flats or a mountain arrangement in the Rockies as an alternative.   Replace the balloons with tall poles (wooden or steel, is better) and make them as high as possible with guy wires, as needed.
       I've never looked for highest efficiency with what I said was good in a design.   (Too much work and difficult to achieve.)   The long wire isn't efficient.   I know this.   It's simply and can even be used on the ground if the wire is extremely well insulated.
       I remember reading an Internet source that said a radio experimenter in NYC went to Central Park one night and stretched a 1,000' roll of wire on the ground in a generally Northeasterly direction because he was aiming at reception of commercial broadcasting in England or Ireland, as well as possibly Iceland.   At the radio end he attached a 1 megohm resistor to keep the power generated by the wire from frying his radio detection circuit.   He claimed to have been successful when he switched to the longest wave band his radio would receive.


Have I made a point, here?   Long wires can be used, and have been, by Marconi, in radiotelegraphy.   Questions?   Further comments?   Just ask them.   They can offer me a further opportunity to explain what I mean in research, as an ongoing effort.


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Have I made a point, here?   Long wires can be used, and have been, by Marconi, in radiotelegraphy.
Yes, you made a point. Now it is clear that you did not joke. You really do not have a clue how antennas work. As I explained, long wires can be used, and are indeed used as antennas. However, they have to have their geometry, and/or length, and also the wire or rod thickness (and hence the impedance) pretty well tuned for the required frequency. The very long and very thin wire wound on a metallic cylinder, as you suggest, simply won't work like you think.

As for Plauson - as far as I know, ADGEX did not specify that the flashlights work only with hundreds meters long antennas hung from an aerostat (balloon). If it is that case, it may explain why the flashlights do not work for anyone.

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Some news from Adgex:

Today i received an email where they apologized for my 'unpleasant experience' and offered to send me a free new lamp without the need to send back the old one.
They said that the glue used for sealing had some negative effects on some contacts, and this prevents it from correctly recharging the accumulators.
For me this explanation is beyond comprehension (and beyond my technical understanding) but we will see...

The more rational explanation would be that they want to buy some more time to collect money from their investors.   ???
Yes, everyone who complained, received this email. You will get the replacement with another unfortunate defect in a few months. In the meantime investors race to buy more shares of ADGEX.

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Yes, you made a point. Now it is clear that you did not joke. You really do not have a clue how antennas work.
       That wasn't the point I was trying to make.   I was showing that extremely large antennas can produce power and aren't necessarily energy efficient as power generators.   Obviously.   That's what I implied and that's what I'm saying.   I further say they're often designed as transmitters for extremely low frequencies and can be constructed with varying lengths of wire as subassemblies.   They're capable of reacting with various frequencies, IMO.   Obviously, again.   But, whether they were designed that way would or not would most likely require consulting a more complete, accurate reference on that antenna or ask the original designing electrical engineer, if possible.


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As I explained, long wires can be used, and are indeed used as antennas.
       I didn't see that in your post.   If I did, I didn't pay close attention.   We can agree that very long wire antennas can generate power, but the level efficiency can also be debateable.


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However, they have to have their geometry, and/or length, and also the wire or rod thickness (and hence the impedance) pretty well tuned for the required frequency.
        The designs were chosen for mere large size.   Not whether they were built for transmitters or receivers.   Lualualei, for example, was built for a transmitter, but it can also intercept incoming radio waves, as the drawing I uploaded is capable of being depicted.  (The picture on the Wikipedia entry isn't the same as the hand drawing I uploaded.)


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The very long and very thin wire wound on a metallic cylinder, as you suggest, simply won't work like you think.
       Here's my quote from posted reply #409:
       "I BELIEVE even if the smallest gauge (40) wire on this list would be several layers on the barrel of the flashlight at, say, 1/2" for the diameter.   It won't weigh much for a 1,000 ft. length, but you'd also need a transformer somewhere in the barrel to step down the voltage to a reasonable level.   And at least one diode and a capacitor to render it to pulsating DC."[/size]
       I didn't say it would do anything like you said?   What did I say it would do?   I said it would take several layers to get the power you need to charge (the "accumulators")---company's term for the correct power conservation part(s)?---that should be part of the flashlight.   I said a transformer would be needed to lower the voltage and then a diode with capacitor would be required to supply pulsating DC.   I said that.   Above.   What is your understanding that's different?

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As for Plauson - as far as I know, ADGEX did not specify that the flashlights work only with hundreds meters long antennas hung from an aerostat (balloon).
       I said that part of the invention wouldn't work.   My quote:  "If you look at patent #1,540,998 you'll see he favors suspending a very long circular coil of wire from balloons (the likes of weather balloons).   No, this won't work."    I expect very much that ADGEX didn't say anything about balloons.   A balloon wouldn't make any difference unless it's electrically connected to the flashlight.   A long wire?   With a flashlight dangling from it?   Talk about heavy.   Talk about unwieldy.   Talk about an unnecessary and ridiculous addition that should do nothing useful.   Is this something you can think you can agree with as being accurate as a plausible possibility?   You're very probably correct.   ADGEX shouldn't have said anything about 'balloons'.[/size]

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If it is that case, it may explain why the flashlights do not work for anyone.
       Okay, that's a 'red flag'.   In order to market a product that should be reasonably reliable, then thorough testing should be carried out in order to prove the things work and if they don't, now, then why the hell is that so?   What!?   I didn't know that people were owning defective flashlights.   The company would obviously keep the problem 'low-key', so as to protect their reputation and stock price---if they actually have stock shares.[/size]

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The "(/size)" words aren't being added by me.   I suspect, because of my security clearance and that I'm always being watched, these words are being added by persons unknown.   For their own reasons.   They don't have to tell me anything.   The revised Homeland Security Act gives them the legal right to do just about anything they want.


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An 'accumulator' in Australia is a battery. Just so you know.   There's a picture of one earlier in this thread.  About Pg.9, I think.   It's not linked to another site.   Just the picture.

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I said it would take several layers to get the power you need to charge (the "accumulators")
No, sorry, you can put as many layers as you want, it will simply not work in the way you think, and you have no chance to charge the batteries with it.

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No, sorry, you can put as many layers as you want, it will simply not work in the way you think, and you have no chance to charge the batteries with it.


You are 100% correct as after the first layer you get the Faradays cage effect
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Mark

 

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