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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 149960 times)

Offline Nink

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A 'crystal cell' of the size which would fit inside the flashlight would never be able to deliver enough energy to operate a 120 lumen LED for 2-3 hours per day, as they claim.

We will know it soon... now that they have said they already have sent out all the ordered lamps, we can expect that they will arrive in the next days.
How long does it take from Australia to Europe ?  Maybe 2 weeks maximum ? 

When it arrives i will start testing it, but i will not open it before i have finished my tests. I will switch it on for 2-3 hrs every day and document the on-times.
If it only has some sort of battery inside, it will be empty after some days. The maximum time can be calculated by comparing the inside volume of the lamp housing with the energy density data of known battery types.

A commercial magnesium  copper crystal cell battery that size could deliver about 1.5V @ 100mA =  0.15W so you could charge a battery for 24 hours = 1.5*.1*24=3.6W now we need to run for 2 to 3 hours so lets say 2.5h so 3.6/2.5 = 1.44W but I also get an extra .15 as I don't have to charge battery while I am using it so 1.44W + .15W = 1.59W to deliver 120 Lumen with a Joule thief circuit.

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A commercial magnesium  copper crystal cell battery that size could deliver about 1.5V @ 100mA =  0.15W so you could charge a battery for 24 hours = 1.5*.1*24=3.6W now we need to run for 2 to 3 hours so lets say 2.5h so 3.6/2.5 = 1.44W but I also get an extra .15 as I don't have to charge battery while I am using it so 1.55W + .15W = 1.59W to deliver 120 Lumen with a Joule thief circuit.

But how big is a crystal cell which can deliver 1.5V and 100 mA ?
I did some experiments with crystal cells, and a cell fitting into such a flashlight (minus volume required by accu) will barely make a single small LED glow.
It can deliver maybe 1 mW which is far away from the required 150 mW.

Or to say it differently: a crystal cell of this size delivering 150 mW continuously would also be worth 99$.  ;)

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But how big is a crystal cell which can deliver 1.5V and 100 mA ?
I did some experiments with crystal cells, and a cell fitting into such a flashlight (minus volume required by accu) will barely make a single small LED glow.
It can deliver maybe 1 mW which is far away from the required 150 mW.

Or to say it differently: a crystal cell of this size delivering 150 mW continuously would also be worth 99$.  ;)

How big is relative.  Crystal cells are dependent on the surface area of the exposed magnesium. A simple trick is drill holes in the side of your magnesium rod and it will increase the surface area, increasing Amps.  The torch has a 2 year warranty / 5 year life ?? so I am sure they have given a lot of thought to creating a commercial magnesium anode with the maximum surface area that can last a minimum of 2 years and maybe up to 5 but they don't really care it is out of Warranty.  So they  probably used a star shape in a rod (again I am only guessing but this is what I would do) so you would significantly increase the surface area but you reduce the life.
The reason you could only barely light one LED was a volts issue not Watts.   Here is flyfishers video and even without a joule thief or a battery store he is lighting a bank of LED's directly from a 4.5V crystal cell (3 cells 2" tall each in series).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9waxkdw-Q&feature=youtu.be&t=288

 

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The reason you could only barely light one LED was a volts issue not Watts. 

I used a joule thief, but under load the cell voltage went down to 0.6 V and current was only a few microamps max.

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Here is flyfishers video and even without a joule thief or a battery store he is lighting a bank of LED's directly from a 4.5V crystal cell (3 cells 2" tall each in series).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9waxkdw-Q&feature=youtu.be&t=288

I don't know how much current this LED bank is drawing, but if we go back to our 150 mW calculation for the flashlight and a lifetime of only 2 years = 17500 hrs we would need 2628 Wh of energy. There is no battery in the world which can store 2628 Wh of energy and fits into a flashlight.

Regarding the ELFE flashlight, the most likely scenario is the following:
They can not afford sending nothing because then most customers will recall their money via Paypal. So they have to send anything to avoid this.
If they send a flashlight with normal batteries, most people will notice this. But not many of them will send it back because this costs a lot of money.
If you send it back they can say ok we will send you a new one (which of course will not be different) or they can say we are sorry but we told you that it will not work in all places...

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I used a joule thief, but under load the cell voltage went down to 0.6 V and current was only a few microamps max.

I don't know how much current this LED bank is drawing, but if we go back to our 150 mW calculation for the flashlight and a lifetime of only 2 years = 17500 hrs we would need 2628 Wh of energy. There is no battery in the world which can store 2628 Wh of energy and fits into a flashlight.

Regarding the ELFE flashlight, the most likely scenario is the following:
They can not afford sending nothing because then most customers will recall their money via Paypal. So they have to send anything to avoid this.
If they send a flashlight with normal batteries, most people will notice this. But not many of them will send it back because this costs a lot of money.
If you send it back they can say ok we will send you a new one (which of course will not be different) or they can say we are sorry but we told you that it will not work in all places...

Bingo!  I suppose we will see soon but, I do not think you are wrong.  They left a big out....may not work in all areas...like YOURS, ha ha.

Bill

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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2016:01:07#ELFE_flashlight_defect_postpones_shipment

ELFE flashlight defect postpones shipment

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On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:29 PM, ADGEX LTD <info@adgex.com> wrote:

    Hello Mr. [Bill] Browning!
    On behalf of The Board, I’d like to present profound apologies for delay in delivery of ELFE flashlights.
    It was initially announced, that all orders would be sent before end-of-the-year holidays and in fact, they were! Complete batch of flashlights were produced and some of them were shipped. However, we found a defect when testing (approximately 14 samples out of 1000 flashlights), caused by a careless and unsatisfactory assembly by one of our sub-contractors.
    We care for quality of our ELFE and did not want you to accidentally receive a defective product. Considering this fact, we decided to recall entire batch for thorough double-check and resolution of the present problem.

My assumption is that this is criminal activity and the quote above is a grotesque lie.  The real story is possibly something like this:

No flashlights were shipped, no defects were found, and it's just a stalling tactic to process more cash-up-front orders.

After more orders come in, they will buy a few thousand Dollar-store LED flashlights from a cheap cheap Chinese manufacturer.  They will put a sticker on the flashlights to brand them as theirs and pour a bit of potting compound into the flashlights to deter casual opening up of the devices, complaints, and returns.  Their total cost per boxed, labelled, and potted LED flashlight will be less than $1.50 USD.

The cheapo LED flashlight may not even resemble the flashlight that they have in their marketing literature.  They couldn't care less.

So they sell a flashlight for $100 USD that costs them $1.50 USD.  They can live with the Paypal credits back to those people that paid via that service and want their money back.

So let's say they get orders for 2000 flashlights.  They ship their customers the potted junk ordinary Chinese LED flashlights and take the profits and then just run away.  When average people start complaining they will be long gone.

It's only a guess, but I think it is a reasonable guess.  Inter-spaced between the altruistic and sometimes naive amateur experimenters are criminal con artists out to steal a buck.  They certainly make for strange bedfellows.

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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2016:01:07#ELFE_flashlight_defect_postpones_shipment

ELFE flashlight defect postpones shipment

My assumption is that this is criminal activity and the quote above is a grotesque lie.  The real story is possibly something like this:

No flashlights were shipped, no defects were found, and it's just a stalling tactic to process more cash-up-front orders.

After more orders come in, they will buy a few thousand Dollar-store LED flashlights from a cheap cheap Chinese manufacturer.  They will put a sticker on the flashlights to brand them as theirs and pour a bit of potting compound into the flashlights to deter casual opening up of the devices, complaints, and returns.  Their total cost per boxed, labelled, and potted LED flashlight will be less than $1.50 USD.

The cheapo LED flashlight may not even resemble the flashlight that they have in their marketing literature.  They couldn't care less.

So they sell a flashlight for $100 USD that costs them $1.50 USD.  They can live with the Paypal credits back to those people that paid via that service and want their money back.

So let's say they get orders for 2000 flashlights.  They ship their customers the potted junk ordinary Chinese LED flashlights and take the profits and then just run away.  When average people start complaining they will be long gone.

It's only a guess, but I think it is a reasonable guess.  Inter-spaced between the altruistic and sometimes naive amateur experimenters are criminal con artists out to steal a buck.  They certainly make for strange bedfellows.

Shipment Postponed a week.  Has it been a week yet since the 6th of January.

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Get your cash back from eBay before its too late. Why let the crooks take your money?

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I received my Elfe Flashlight at the post office.
The flashlight functions pretty well; if it meets the automatically recharging claim ; time will tell.
It is well sealed, no chance to open it by hand, and I would not try so; its unique.
For now I will do some tests until the light goes dimm and see if it will recharge by itself.
I have ordered mine at 1st Sep 2015. Waiting pays off.

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2nd attachment

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Hmm
all "Grotesque lies" aside ...[an  _assumption_ quoted above [which is soo funny all by itself]]

Thanks for sharing your delivery ,looking forward to the followup !

Chet K

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Awesome! Looking forward to your investigation!

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I am having problems trying to look at the zip files.  They seem to unzip OK and show the file is a JPG file.  When I then try to open that file I get an error that says "unexpected end of data error".  Is anyone else having problems?

Carroll

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I forgot to add my thanks for you sharing your delivery information.  It looks like some of the naysayers were proven wrong on at least one of their claims that nothing would ever be delivered.  Time will tell if they are proven wrong on any of their other claims.   I will be eagerly waiting for your results after a week or so of testing.

Carroll

 

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