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Author Topic: World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar  (Read 142708 times)

Offline mscoffman

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I have ordered the Elfe 'free energy flashlight' at 1.09. and was informed about a delay of delivery of at least 3 month. I have not received anything yet .
They do not answer emails. Nobody answers the phone . I called them multiple times at 6am in Germany which is 4pm / 5pm in Australia.
Next time I will only order such devices , if they are distributed in my country, so they have to obey german law.

Thank you for being considerate of others!  I was going to order one of these flashlights myself but since no shippy; no ordery, it's that
simple. On the other hand if I receive a reasonable confirmation I'll be persuaded the other way. Shipping, as claimed, is very important
for a new company's corporate credibility IMHO, as it is easy to see a company jumping from one OU "solution" to another meanwhile
never shipping anything.

I get tired of being lied to by free energy companies.



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Offline Berto3

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In the style of SmartBeliever:  You have to wonder about the IQ of ANYBODY who orders ANYTHING from ANYBODY over the internet

Offline SoManyWires

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The lesson?

that might be yet one more example why a predetermined method of online sales of new product releases should instead be only allowed in such that a customer can and will get a full refund without delays. especially for something that most likely doesn't really contain a can of florida sunshine, or a 'free energy' based product.

i don't like promoting ebay because they and a few others like them too need to become able to provide a more transparent shopping experience for customer$ investment through the profitable giant that ebay is. their current design has cost me a couple of times for items i would not have considered, should they force some of their sellers to be even less cryptic, and sometimes more available for customers real time questions, things that customers can expect to find in bricks and motar retail sources. there is room for improvement.

but the one option ebay does already allow that is useful for example, is their buyer protection built in that allows customers to get their money back.
and even that process could also use some revisions.

any marketers of unproven products must accept this as their only option in the future, and many of them will have to perform community service to their creditors, or even better if they were to put enough money into a escrow account held by their creditors in advance BEFORE being allowed to publish their work$ within a marketplace. no exceptions.

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Offline e2matrix

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In the style of SmartBeliever:  You have to wonder about the IQ of ANYBODY who orders ANYTHING from ANYBODY over the internet
   That is ridiculous.   I just looked at my folder where I keep a PDF print of all purchases I've made on the Internet and it is easily over 2000.   There has not been one single case where I lost money or was scammed.   There were just a couple times things got lost in the mail and I was able to get a refund.   It is a lot safer than driving into a city and buying items (risk of car accidents, being mugged and more).   I think you have to wonder about the IQ of anyone who does NOT use the Internet to buy at least some things since you can nearly always save money buying on the Internet.   
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Offline citfta

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I have to agree with e2matrix.  I haven't kept an accurate count but I have bought over 200 items from Ebay and probably at least 100 items from other places.  I have not lost on one single item.  There have been a few times I have had to ask for a refund because an item wasn't working after I got it or it got damaged in shipping but I have always gotten a refund for those items.  Using common sense and some homework can almost totally eliminate any risks.

Carroll

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Offline TheCell

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Hello,
things might turn out good, because today I received a confirmation e-mail from Vasily Muzanov in which he states he has answered me in an e-mail from the 19thNov. Which I did not receive. I searched in my e-mail app for the date , for the name muzanov (and will get only one mail from him ; the one from today) .
I searched all folders including spam , waste-basket , e-mail-in , and the specal folder 'elfe' which I made for storing all elfe related mails. And now I can be pretty sure, that the his answering-mail was intercepted.
At this momentary state I would consider the firm as trustworthy.

Now the Mail-Content :
Hello, Mr. XXXXXX![/font][/color]
My name is Vasily and I am a project manager in ADGEX Limited [/font][/color]
In fact, I received and answered you e-mail (please find attached my answer to you)[/font][/color]
It is strange to me that you didn’t see (didn’t receive) it[/font][/color]
We apologize for the inconvenience caused [/font][/color]
Please be advised, that if you didn’t cancel your order and payment, you ELFE is almost ready and will be shipped at earliest[/font][/color]
We experienced some problems with preparation of orders because of abundant number of orders and rapid start of the product rollover[/font][/color]
I’d like to present our apologies again for the delay in shipping [/font][/color]
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Best Regards,
[/font][/color]

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Offline SoManyWires

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Hello,
things might turn out good, because today I received a confirmation e-mail from Vasily Muzanov in which he states he has answered me in an e-mail from the 19thNov. Which I did not receive. I searched in my e-mail app for the date , for the name muzanov (and will get only one mail from him ; the one from today) .
I searched all folders including spam , waste-basket , e-mail-in , and the specal folder 'elfe' which I made for storing all elfe related mails. And now I can be pretty sure, that the his answering-mail was intercepted.
At this momentary state I would consider the firm as trustworthy.

Now the Mail-Content :
Hello, Mr. XXXXXX![/font][/color]
My name is Vasily and I am a project manager in ADGEX Limited [/font][/color]
In fact, I received and answered you e-mail (please find attached my answer to you)[/font][/color]
It is strange to me that you didn’t see (didn’t receive) it[/font][/color]
We apologize for the inconvenience caused [/font][/color]
Please be advised, that if you didn’t cancel your order and payment, you ELFE is almost ready and will be shipped at earliest[/font][/color]
We experienced some problems with preparation of orders because of abundant number of orders and rapid start of the product rollover[/font][/color]
I’d like to present our apologies again for the delay in shipping [/font][/color]
 [/font][/color]
Best Regards,
[/font][/color]

[/font][/color]

that is certainly encouraging, they managed to get back to you. it is possible there are actually ironing out production line related challenges.
the product could have caused that many orders.

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Offline Pirate88179

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The delay was caused by a power outage, and no one in the plant had any flashlights so, they could not build anything.

Oh wait....

Ha ha.

Bill

Offline skywatcher

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I have ordered the Elfe 'free energy flashlight' at 1.09. and was informed about a delay of delivery of at least 3 month. I have not received anything yet .
They do not answer emails. Nobody answers the phone . I called them multiple times at 6am in Germany which is 4pm / 5pm in Australia.
Next time I will only order such devices , if they are distributed in my country, so they have to obey german law.

I'm also from Germany and i have ordered one some weeks ago.
I think if you payed with PayPal you have 180 days to recall your money.
This is what i will do if i don't receive anything.

I don't think they can afford sending nothing, because everyone would recall the money.
They will send something, but maybe it will not work as expected.

For me it was an experiment. If it doesn't work, the loss of $99 will not ruin me.  ;)
I hope that it will work, but i don't expect it. The explanations on their website are clearly BS.

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Offline Qwert

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I'm also from Germany and i have ordered one some weeks ago.
I think if you payed with PayPal you have 180 days to recall your money.
This is what i will do if i don't receive anything.

I don't think they can afford sending nothing, because everyone would recall the money.
They will send something, but maybe it will not work as expected.

For me it was an experiment. If it doesn't work, the loss of $99 will not ruin me.  ;)
I hope that it will work, but i don't expect it. The explanations on their website are clearly BS.

And they say, it takes three months to ship...
And another three to go.
And what about if all buyers live in the "dark spot"?

Offline e2matrix

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I'm also from Germany and i have ordered one some weeks ago.
I think if you payed with PayPal you have 180 days to recall your money.
This is what i will do if i don't receive anything.

I don't think they can afford sending nothing, because everyone would recall the money.
They will send something, but maybe it will not work as expected.

For me it was an experiment. If it doesn't work, the loss of $99 will not ruin me.  ;)
I hope that it will work, but i don't expect it. The explanations on their website are clearly BS.
PayPal will also protect you or refund you if an item is significantly different than what was stated - i.e. it does not work as stated.   If it is a scam use PayPal to get your money back.   PayPal used to limit to 45 days but I think you are correct that it is now 6 months or 180 days.   I got a refund on an item that had not shown up after about 2 months so I would suggest if you don't have it after five or five and a half months to request a refund.   If you wait until the last couple days you may not have time to determine if it works as stated. 

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Offline skywatcher

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https://www.facebook.com/AdgexLimited

>>> ADGEX Limited I would like to inform that Elfe flashlights have been shipped before New Year for all customers.4 · 31. Dezember 2015 um 19:42

So they should arrive soon... hopefully...   ::)

Offline Nink

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If anyone gets one please post a tear down video.  I am guessing it is probably just some magnesium copper crystal cells with LED's, a joule thief and maybe even a  couple of caps or Nicad so it can hold a charge but I guess we will find out.

Offline MileHigh

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If anyone gets one please post a tear down video.  I am guessing it is probably just some magnesium copper crystal cells with LED's, a joule thief and maybe even a  couple of caps or Nicad so it can hold a charge but I guess we will find out.

If that's the case then they are lying and committing fraud.  Within the sea of sincere amateur experimenters there is a sea of criminals.

Don't be surprised if they never deliver anything.

Offline skywatcher

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If anyone gets one please post a tear down video.  I am guessing it is probably just some magnesium copper crystal cells with LED's, a joule thief and maybe even a  couple of caps or Nicad so it can hold a charge but I guess we will find out.

A 'crystal cell' of the size which would fit inside the flashlight would never be able to deliver enough energy to operate a 120 lumen LED for 2-3 hours per day, as they claim.

We will know it soon... now that they have said they already have sent out all the ordered lamps, we can expect that they will arrive in the next days.
How long does it take from Australia to Europe ?  Maybe 2 weeks maximum ? 

When it arrives i will start testing it, but i will not open it before i have finished my tests. I will switch it on for 2-3 hrs every day and document the on-times.
If it only has some sort of battery inside, it will be empty after some days. The maximum time can be calculated by comparing the inside volume of the lamp housing with the energy density data of known battery types.

 

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