Now I'm really ROFLing!  The great Mack builder BroMikey has just posted two links to two copies of the same video of a "working magnet motor"  that someone else just posted to YouTube.

There is just one problem.... the video is one of MYLOW's videos, originally posted six years ago.

That's right friends. The MYLOW story is still happening.

Damn!  We are still haunted by the Mylow affair.  I thought that was put to bed years ago...but, I suppose, some other folks watch the videos and "rediscover' the genius of his scam with the electric motor and fishing line. ("You can turn it off now Tony...turn it off.")

I still think the bird was in on it in some way.

@Kiwi3;

We should believe TK because he knows what he is talking about and has made and published, hundreds of videos of demonstrations.  He has also been the lead investigator in busting many, many scammers (Including Mylow) and, he has also freely shared his knowledge with the rest of us and has helped folks understand electronics and proper measuring methods.

Check out his Youtube channel and then get back to us.

I believe you will have answered your own question by then.

Bill

I have to agree with SEVERAL things TK said. When Mack first posted and I took a look at what he was having people build, one of my FIRST comments on the thread was that it would be hard to do without some serious machine tools. His reply was that he did it all with hand tools. I found that a little hard to swallow. I also have a hard time believing the story about the NDA with all the things he has shared. I have a VERY hard time believing that someone who built a WORKING device has not a single photo or video of it to show, and no longer has the device itself.


So in my mind I HAVE to discount Mack as a credible witness completely. Maybe he is for real, or maybe he is a total fraud. Or maybe he is a guy who wants others to do the work because he is too broke or lazy to do it himself.


What I am left with are the details of the build itself. There are some things about this build that intrigue me. The idea of balanced rotor stator/magnets so that there is no attraction or repulsion, was VERY interesting, and I was able to get that to happen. I had NOT seen this before and if it has come up in the PAST, I would love for someone to point out to me WHERE. I was also able to see that by using the ramp as a shield, you could actually get the repulsion of the rotor magnet at the appropriate time. LOTS of folks have worked with this concept, so nothing new here. I could also see how you could use the ramp to attract the incoming rotor magnet. Some folks have worked with this concept, but Mack seems to have taken it a couple steps beyond anything that I have seen before. And then there is THIS video...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTcw6NPn9BQ


As far as ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DETAILS, everything has worked EXACTLY as Mack said it would. I have always been, and always will be a skeptic. Until I see it working on MY bench, I have my reservations. But when everything works EXACTLY as the guy said it would, you have to wonder if there might not be something to this.


Whether he ever comes back to share more or disappears into the woodwork remains to be seen. I will continue to work on this project not because I have any faith in Mack, but because of what I have seen on my bench. Besides, ALL hobbies are a waste of time and money, aren't they???

Oh, and even if it works, will it have enough power to actually DO any work? There are other things that show far more promise of meeting THAT goal than THIS, but I still can't abandon it.
Dave

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTcw6NPn9BQ

Its cool to see and the comparison between that action/shape and Macks Ramp shape are quite similar and I have never personally seen this before. along with some of the other things Dave has mentioned about Macks Device.
  while you may have spent millennia with these things trying to get them to work or Vetting claims..
some of us have a different frame of reference, and are intrigued .

I know it is VERY VERY easy to stand on the hallowed and righteous ground of your belief system and roll your logs of wisdom down upon the "Magnetically challenged".

IMO this _Magnet Thing_ and all its possibilities hasn't scratched the surface of what is truly possible, nor have we scratched the surface of what we can do when we put our heads together around a problem and explore the "what Ifs".

your willingness to experiment and   input is always appreciated however your perspective is not unique.

this Puzzle was meant to be cracked.

respectfully
Chet

PS
Tinsel
I am aware of your "smarts" and I am not trying to put you on the spot    but I ask a favor [I get to do this because you are omnipresent here  ...its just _one" stipulation in the _Cheeseburger betters handbook" 3rd chapter 2nd paragraph "rules of engagement when the Cheesburger is on the line ". and your opponent has encamped his drooling self and pulled the "Elvis Phrase" from his quiver ...

rules is rules....

would it be asking too much for you to share an analogy of how a magnet does what it does in a system utilizing Magnets, it is profoundly obvious that it "makes things happen" and with out the magnet [or its effect] you get zilch.

why can't they [magnets]do work ?? when without them nothing gets done ?

I see Carroll  posted a magnetic analogy in Luc's or TinMan's thread of The turbo and the Recip  ICE for a comparison to a magnet and its role  ,   as you know I was trained in Aircraft and have issues with_ that_ analogy.

can you offer another ?

If you already have somewhere [or another has] I apologize I have been outa the loop for quite some time.

PPS
It may seem like a _Dopey_ and off topic question
However That's why I get paid the Big Bucs ...
To ask seemingly Dopey and off topic questions [during the Heat of Battle in the Cheeseburger wars...]

Never assume...
 


 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTcw6NPn9BQ

Its cool to see and the comparison between that action/shape and Macks Ramp shape are quite similar and I have never personally seen this before. along with some of the other things Dave has mentioned about Macks Device.

What "Macks Device" are you referring to? There isn't any "Macks Device", just things other people have built according to his instructions, which either violate his NDA, or don't really apply to a self-running magnet motor. Or... perhaps there isn't any Macks Device, there isn't any NDA, and his instructions are just wind-ups, which actually describe nothing unusual or even original.

  while you may have spent millennia with these things trying to get them to work or Vetting claims..
some of us have a different frame of reference, and are intrigued .

 Not quite "millennia", just 20 years or so, piled on top of another 20 years of formal education.

I know it is VERY VERY easy to stand on the hollowed and righteous ground of your belief system and roll your logs of wisdom down upon the "challenged".

Sure. I love being insulted, almost as much as I love having to explain the same basic stuff over and over again every few months whenever someone else comes up with a SMOT, or a circuit that makes spikes, or a new "theory of everything" that they think will overthrow QED or the Standard Model. Or a new value for PI, ffs. (Insert facepalm here.)

IMO this _Magnet Thing_ and all its possibilities hasn't scratched the surface of what is truly possible, nor have we scratched the surface of what we can do when we put our heads together around a problem and explore the "what Ifs".

Well... I guess it's just too bad that all those experimenters putting their heads together on EF are just too .... dumb, incompetent, lazy or whatever, since they can't make a self running magnet motor no matter how hard they try, even when a sincere gentleman has told them exactly how to do it. 

your willingness to experiment and   input is always appreciated however your perspective is not unique.

this Puzzle was meant to be cracked.

respectfully
Chet

I think a lot of people actually don't appreciate my input, judging from the amount of insults I receive.  Of course my perspective is not unique... but unfortunately many people who think like I do don't bother engaging in useless discussions with people who have a religious faith in miracles (and think they can perform them, if only they can get that magic magnet angle just right.) And Mark E is dead. And you can't crack a puzzle that has _no solution_, no matter how hard you pound your head against it. At some point, the smart investigator steps back, looks at the available data and comes to the conclusion that the head-pounding isn't going to pay off, and goes on to more potentially productive work.

PS
Tinsel
I am aware of your "smarts" and I am not trying to put you on the spot    but I ask a favor [I get to do this because you are omnipresent here  ...its in the _Cheeseburger betters handbook" 3rd chapter 2nd paragraph "rules of engagement when the Cheesburger is on the line ". and your opponent has encamped his drooling self and pulled the "Elvis Phrase" from his quiver ...

rules is rules....

would it be asking too much for you to share an analogy of how a magnet does what it does in a system utilizing Magnets, it is profoundly obvious that it "makes things happen" and with out the magnet [or its effect] you get zilch.

why can't they do work ?? when without them nothing gets done ?

I see Carroll  posted an analogy of The turbo and the Recip  ICE for a comparison to a magnet and its role  ,   as you know I was trained in Aircraft and have issues with_ that_ analogy.

can you offer another ? [another analogy ]

If you already have somewhere [or another has] I apologize I have been outa the loop for quite some time.

PPS
This question May _"seem_" off topic,
Never assume...
 


 

I could go on and on. Conservative fields of force, lines of flux, Maxwell's equations, Faraday's law of induction.... all of these things are descriptions, analogies, and empirical results. You are perilously close to asking the "why" question. Why is there air? To fill up basketballs with, of course.

Things move to where the forces acting on them are in equilibrium, generally. The magnetic field is a field of force. Whatever that magnetic force "IS" or just "why" it exists is one of the profound mysteries of reality, but we have observed it long enough to be able to model it mathematically, to control it and predict its effects quite well. Exactly well, in fact. And one of the things we know about it is that it can be modelled by "lines of force" which pull along their length and push apart sideways. Another thing we know is that free space (air, vacuum) is relatively non-permeable by these "lines of force", and some metals and other substances are very much more permeable by them. So when you put a magnet near a bit of metal, the metal, being more permeable, allows more "lines of force" within it than the air around it does. This means that the magnet and metal experience a net force that pulls them together. The "lines of force" are models, a way of describing something in a mathematical way so as to get a handle on it for engineering purposes. The force itself is very real. So the action of the magnet in the video is very "ordinary", the magnet is behaving entirely predictably, moving to a place where the most "lines of force" are drawn into the metal and are as short as possible, until once again the forces acting on it in various directions balance out and it stops moving. "WHY" does it do this? Ultimately, you can chase that rabbit all the way down the hole to the "Why is there something, rather than nothing?" ultimate question of reality. We don't know "why" but we DO know "how", in the case of magnetism and a lot of other stuff.
 
Now if you want an analogy, the magnetic force is like a spring. And just as you cannot get net work out of a spring, you can't get it out of a magnetic field. You can store energy in the spring by stretching or compressing it, and get that stored energy back. You can do the same with magnetic fields (or gravity, for that matter).
Most people realize that you can't make a perpetual motion machine out of springs, and that springs only give back what you put into them, minus losses. But magnets and magnetism seem more mysterious, probably because we can't see the fields and it looks like "spooky action at a distance" when a magnet pulls on a piece of metal or another magnet. But just like the visible springs, magnetic fields can only store energy and return stored energy, they can't create it. 

But then you knew this already.


Have you ever taken apart a computer hard disk drive? Consider the miracles of magnetism operating within that device. Incredibly strong permanent magnets with funny carefully engineered polarization patterns, sandwiched between layers of amazingly permeable "mu metal" shields. Precise head positioning, precise to the millionth of an inch in fact, due to the interaction between electromagnets and the permanent magnets. Amazingly high speed and totally precise flipping of incredibly tiny magnetic domains in the disk material itself, which material isn't actually attracted to magnets!  And then we have people who are actually using these computers, telling us that the scientists and engineers who designed such miracle devices are idiots who don't understand the "reality" of magnetic fields! The irony of that is amazing.

So in other words the video I posted DOES have something to do with the build proposed by Mack. Even though you insinuated that it did not.


Let me rephrase my statement about the things that Mack has said that have proven to be true. EVERYTHING he has said about this proposed BUILD has proven to be true. As for everything else he has said. It has not been proven to be true, nor has it been proven to be false.


As to the rundown test....I will not disagree that metal in the presence of the magnet on a rotor will slow the rotor. However, if you watched the video, you can see that the correct shaped piece of metal will actually cause movement of the rotor in a specific direction. Can THAT movement (Is there acceleration involved???...I don't KNOW) be manipulated enough to overcome the adverse affects of the metal in the presence of the magnet. As far as I can tell, THAT is the central issue to whether or not his proposed build will work. The mass and shape of that metal ramp and how it affects the magnets on the rotor is EXACTLY what needs to be experimented with. I would bet YOU a cheeseburger that changing the mass and shape of that "ramp" will impact the rundown times.


Let me be perfectly clear about something here. I am as skeptical of this proposed build as the next guy, BUT I am also open minded enough to explore what are (at least to ME) new areas of magnetic interaction (Like with these pie shaped ramps). In my mind, my time spent learning about something that is currently outside my experience is not, and never will be, wasted. I am sure you see this from a different knowledge base, and therefore a different perspective. To me, it is NEW knowledge, and worth having. If all this proves to be a total waste of time and money, it won't be the first or the last "money pit" I have engaged in.


I mean no disrespect to you. You may already have experimented for YEARS with these pie shaped ramps and know everything there is to know about them, but from some simple experiments I have done, which I will post in a couple days when I have the time to download them off my camera, there are some things of interest here that are worth investigating.


I believe the thread on EF is about dead. Mack has not been back, and most people over there don't actually build anything anyway. They just TALK and post YouTube videos of other people's work. So except for a few Diehards like myself (and possibly Bruce Willis, although he seems pretty busy making B movies lately) there probably aren't many folks even working on this.


Dave

Sigh.....
personally I have issues with the "Spring thing" as it applies here ..."attraction" is just one of many problems fitting the _"Spring Thing_" into my cranium.

one thing I will ask [again for the Big Bucs]
have you any personal or _"other_" experience with this particular elongated triangular shape presented by the Claimant ?

respectfully

Chet

Junkie!
I work for the people.
The working against stupidity!
You do not understand because you're an idiot.
Infections of the next generation

hydraulic ram pump ?
You really do not understand the principle of operation?
Pathetic

I'm disney.
I'm writing a story stupid man.
The story is true!

Definitely you do not work for the People!!!

You cant work for Disney, because idegen is terribly spelled, Its Spelt Idiot!!!

You have not a single bit of Scientific Knowledge!!!

But you claim you're helping the People? How exactly, What's your recent contribution to Humanity?

You're a Git on a Stick, ramble Non-Sense, and are just a general pest!!!   Contribution = -1

All you do is fill Threads with Non-Sense!!!

For others, Idiot does not even know how this works: Hydraulic Ram Pump - Hidden Battery Idiot? is there?

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