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Author Topic: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]  (Read 93796 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 01:39:08 AM »
I usually suspect claims of operation when one talks of requiring some fine adjustment or difference in field strength to just get it to operate.
If there was a way to get a magnet motor to operate then with the powerful magnets today, it should operate very well and the fine adjustment would need not be so fine. Those words are claims of failure.
 
 
 
 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 03:22:14 AM »
Tinsel
If I were to write a sentence ...and the sentence were some part of an NDA ,my obligation to secrecy COULD be as small as the period at the end of the sentence.

you use too broad a brush and ass-u-me way too much[as it applies to the NDA comment].

For myself I am just paying attention ,with appreciation.

Mack is a Smart fellow with a level head and some really cool ideas.

Then he should present his ideas as ideas, instead of pretending to have the "secret" -- under NDA yet! -- which will save the world. But of course we know that he _does not_ have any working self-running prototype. He may have simply fooled himself by having a flywheel that turns for a long time on good bearings, that he thinks could be developed and "tuned" to self-run... or he may be cynically manipulating people like you who always see the best in people. Either way, he does not have a design that will self-run, and I'm not the only one telling you this.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 06:09:02 PM »
Hi Chet,

Thanks for the update. I whipped up a quick interpretation from MadMack's last post of using just two pairs of magnets. Could be wrong but may give a starting point.
If this is what it is (page 1, #10), then it is a reworking of Paul Sprain's patent or the Takahashi motor on Bearden's site.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 07:01:34 PM »
Hi Paul,

Yes it's pretty similar to the Takahashi motor, the neutralization is altered from electromagnet to neutrally balanced magnets.

Hi Gravityblock,

Thanks, haven't seen that design before. There are a lot of patents that have variations on the theme. Don't want to go off topic though. Attached is one that has fixed magnets with a spoked soft iron rotor. The spokes become polarized by the fixed magnets and pull down the magnetic ramp(N) where they neutralize with the opposite pole at the exit.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2015, 02:11:13 PM »
Mack added some comments
from here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-2.html
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 Hi guys,

Sorry I couldn't get back before now. Dave, Turion, seems to have the best grasp of this so far. Chet,[**Note DTB's schem being referred to 1st one] the ramps in the concept picture you posted have two problems. They are way too long so the rate of change is very little, which kills the torque. The second problem, which we haven't touched upon yet, is that each ramp in that picture connects two stator magnets. You have to take magnetic induction in the ramps into account. Having a stator magnet touching at each end of the ramp turns the ramp into a bar magnet with strong NS poles, and interferes with things. We want the ramp close to or touching only one magnet at the end of the ramp like the Bedini drawing. Remember that the flux always takes the path of least resistance, so as a rotor magnet passes a stator magnet you need a space before the beginning of the next ramp. The distance of this space varies with magnet strengths but a rule of thumb is a minimum of 1.5 to 2 times the gap between the rotor magnet and the ramp, at its widest point. In my 8 pole motor, with magnets every 45 degrees, the ramp length was about 30 degrees. Yours may be a little different.

Magnet shunts. Dave, I believe I said you do not want to shunt the attracting magnets the way the Bedini picture shows. Remember how I said that as a rotor magnet is accelerating towards an attracting magnet, the repelling magnets at the opposite side were neutralizing the pull of the attracting magnet? A shunt on the repelling stator magnet similar to the Bedini drawing will kill some of this neutralization and add to the torque. You only need the neutralizing action of the repelling magnets after they pass their center lines. Any neutralizing affect you can eliminate before that point is beneficial. Likewise reducing back drag attraction on the attracting set, with a shunt on the other side of this magnet from its ramp, can also benefit. I can not provide details on the shape of the shunts or any spacings they may have. Look at the Bedini picture for ideas. Too big of a shunt will make things worse.

Guys, the 2 pole rig is not a good motor. Think of it as 2 poles of an 8 pole motor. It's best used to figure out how to balance the forces and develop the ramp design and shunts. Use short ramps like you would have on an 8 pole motor. What you want to shoot for is the most acceleration along the ramp and past the stator poles. It's much easier to see and measure the results with 2 poles. When you have the best results you can get, then add and tune two more poles at a time until it's a complete motor. When the second set of poles are added you may end up tweaking the ramp length to get the optimum spacing.

Mario, the rotation of my magnets was not 45 degrees. The exact angle depends on the rake of the ramp so you may want to try between 30 and 45 degrees.

One more point tonight. My motors were not complete self starters. They had dead spots. They needed a start just like a gas engine and a small flywheel also helped.

T-1000, I did the concept builds more than a year ago and those are long gone. My NDA prohibits making public any images or demonstrations related to the design anyway and I will not risk that. I'm skating on the edge as it is.

Mack From here
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http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-2.html

Chet
« Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 05:01:38 PM by ramset »

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2015, 04:58:24 PM »
Tinsel
I must say something here ,you state that people get nasty with you because of your comments.
why is it not obvious to you that "Your" comments would be considered by most readers "nasty" or "first blood" in most barrooms across planet earth ?
I always treat a man as if I'm sitting across the table from him and give him the benefit of the doubt ,If I were to say what you just wrote about my guest [basically a lying manipulative conman]we would most likely be finishing the conversation off with somebody getting a knuckle sandwhich instead of a cheeseburger.
 
I prefer cheeseburgers whenever possible  :o ...and no I will not bet you "yet" [a cheeseburger bet]

respectfully
Chet K

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thx for all the comments and input
on this one.
 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2015, 05:29:01 PM »
Tinsel
I must say something here ,you state that people get nasty with you because of your comments.
why is it not obvious to you that "Your" comments would be considered by most readers "nasty" or "first blood" in most barrooms across planet earth ?
I always treat a man as if I'm sitting across the table from him and give him the benefit of the doubt ,If I were to say what you just wrote about my guest [basically a lying manipulative conman]we would most likely be finishing the conversation off with somebody getting a knuckle sandwhich instead of a cheeseburger.
 
I prefer cheeseburgers whenever possible  :o ...and no I will not bet you "yet" [a cheeseburger bet]

respectfully
Chet K

PS
thx for all the comments and input
on this one.

Hey, I call them as I see them. The "gentleman" in question is claiming to have the Big Secret and is acting like he actually has (or HAD, now they are "long gone") a working prototype, but he refuses to show it due to some "NDA". Yes, I'm calling him out. He should PROVE HIS CLAIMS, or stfu. I know that what he has described will not work to produce a self running permanent magnet motor, and because I know this, I believe he is another one like we have seen here before, claiming to have what he does not have in order to stir up a following, or hoping that someone else will solve his last little problem and come up with a self runner that he can't make himself. That doesn't fit into the "gentleman" category in my book. But consider just how easy it would be to PROVE ME WRONG. All he has to do is to show a video of a Black Box with a shaft sticking out of it, turning and turning and turning, and allow someone like you to sign an NDA and see the inner guts, and certify to the rest of us that it is indeed working as represented.

Ever play poker? Do you get into a fistfight when someone calls your bluff?  I want to see the cards, that's all.  You can turn the issue around and call me an inconsiderate bastard troll if you want to, but that won't change the FACTS: someone is claiming to have something that would literally change the world and turn Physics on its ear, but isn't willing to provide proof of it -- yet he wants to hold court and discuss it.  And I know why he won't provide proof: he cannot, because he doesn't have any proof. His design is just a concept, and one that has been disproved many times over already.

When someone sits at my table and looks me in the eye and proceeds to lie to me... well, let's just say that he won't be invited back.  Unless we are playing poker and he is bluffing, which is part of that game. Bluffing is NOT part of this Free Energy game, though. Or at least it shouldn't be. If he has a concept that he is trying to test and develop, fine, all I can say about that is that it won't work. If he actually has a selfrunning prototype, that's fine too, if he can demonstrate it. I can, or you can, or Mark Dansie can make him rich, while at the same time starting a whole new branch of physics. If he is only _pretending_ to have a self runner, and is giving us the runaround, that is NOT fine and I'll be as aggressive as I can be in my efforts to expose the false claim.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2015, 12:15:47 AM »
If he offsets the balance it will stick at the stronger point,unless the inertia is stronger than the unbalance, but I think it will still find balance.
I can make a magnet climb 16 inches but the attraction at that height locks it up solid, it won't drop.
Levers can cause movement ,but getting it to loop  is the hard part.
I hope Mac is right and I'm wrong.
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2015, 03:38:25 AM »
TK,

I'm not taking sides or inferring anything, but what IF Mack's story is true. What IF he has or had a self runner, but sold out and now can not disclose its inner workings? Is that not a possibility?

It is a bit odd however that he seems to be providing a fair number of clues, and if I was the NDA holder, I might be a little weary right about now.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2015, 03:46:48 AM »
TK,

I'm not taking sides or inferring anything, but what IF Mack's story is true. What IF he has or had a self runner, but sold out and now can not disclose its inner workings? Is that not a possibility?

It is a bit odd however that he seems to be providing a fair number of clues, and if I was the NDA holder, I might be a little weary right about now.

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I believe that is exactly what TK was talking about here.  Of course, he can speak for himself.  I too have signed NDA's and if I even mentioned ANY part of what was being protected by the NDA on a public forum, all hell would break loose.  Just disclosing the idea itself could indeed be a violation of the NDA depending upon its wording.

Just my 2.365 cents.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2015, 04:00:37 AM »
Mack says this about his NDA:

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My NDA prohibits making public any images or demonstrations related to the design anyway and I will not risk that. I'm skating on the edge as it is.

If that is what the NDA really states, then describing it in words would be permitted.

Not a very good NDA imo.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2015, 04:10:53 AM »
Mack says this about his NDA:

If that is what the NDA really states, then describing it in words would be permitted.

Not a very good NDA imo.

True.  If that is indeed in the language then...it might make sense.  I wonder if publishing the actual NDA is a violation of the NDA?

I suppose it depends on what it says, ha ha.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2015, 07:04:28 AM »
I think Mack is a victim of a scam.  The photos and videos were more than likely a hoax from the trickster, which the trickster used to convince Mack to buy into.  The NDA is protecting the scammer, IMO.  I seriously doubt the NDA holder, is a little weary right about now.  As long as Mack doesn't release any visuals, then nothing can be connected to the trickster, and his identity will be safe.

Did you know you can search by image on google?  <----- Below is a picture of Lisa Haven, and the link is doing a search on that picture.  Google returned the correct name of the person, and even returned visually similar pictures of her, as we see in the search by image example above.  In google, select images, then drag and drop pictures into the search box.  Or, click on the camera icon inside the search box and paste the image url or upload an image.  I've given up one of my research techniques.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2015, 07:34:49 AM »
I think Mack is a victim of a scam.  The photos and videos were more than likely a hoax from the trickster, which the trickster used to convince Mack to buy into.  The NDA is protecting the scammer, IMO.  I seriously doubt the NDA holder, is a little weary right about now.  As long as Mack doesn't release any visuals, then nothing can be connected to the trickster, and his identity will be safe.

Did you know you can search by image on google?  <----- Below is a picture of Lisa Haven, and the link is doing a search on that picture.  Google returned the correct name of the person, and even returned visually similar pictures of her, as we see in the search by image example above.  In google, select images, then drag and drop pictures into the search box.  Or, click on the camera icon inside the search box and paste the image url or upload an image.  I've given up one of my research techniques.

Gravock

Wow!  Thanks for the tip.  I thought I was pretty good at using google but, I just learned something I did not know.

Thanks.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2015, 11:58:12 AM »
I think Mack is a victim of a scam.  The photos and videos were more than likely a hoax from the trickster, which the trickster used to convince Mack to buy into.  The NDA is protecting the scammer, IMO.  I seriously doubt the NDA holder, is a little weary right about now.  As long as Mack doesn't release any visuals, then nothing can be connected to the trickster, and his identity will be safe.

Did you know you can search by image on google?  <----- Below is a picture of Lisa Haven, and the link is doing a search on that picture.  Google returned the correct name of the person, and even returned visually similar pictures of her, as we see in the search by image example above.  In google, select images, then drag and drop pictures into the search box.  Or, click on the camera icon inside the search box and paste the image url or upload an image.  I've given up one of my research techniques.

Gravock

Which photos and videos do you mean?

And who is Lisa Haven?

 

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