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Author Topic: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]  (Read 88460 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2015, 10:19:44 PM »
MadMack may have a working magnet motor.  Unless proven otherwise I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  But that thread has turned into a circus.  First Bro. Mikey starts polluting it with every video he can find about magnet motors.  Then Dufo joins in with his constantly changing ideas about how it is supposed to work.  It is almost impossible to have a real working thread on that forum because of all the pollution of wild ideas.

I do believe OU is possible because of some of the things I have seen.  I know that idea is not popular on this forum but I just wanted to make it clear that while I am not opposed to the idea of a magnet motor I do think that thread is a lost cause.  I did build the basic rotor and got the two stator magnets to balance like Mack said they would.  But when Dufo showed up I dropped the project because I knew with him involved it was going nowhere.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #76 on: October 03, 2015, 02:19:09 AM »
Tinsel
Geeze I hate when this happens...[quite embarrassing actually]....My crystal Ball is in the shop for calibration again so Obviously I am unable to double check your prophesies and visions....

so I will just have to be content with My fallback position of gratitude and appreciation for what the Boyz are doing.

however I must comment on one of your observations [which also leads me to believe that your crystal ball may also be in need of calibration.???]

specifically your comments on MIB's and nefarious types , you seem to be implying that they are not to be taken seriously here or elsewhere ,like Pink unicorns or the stuff of fairy tales ?
 You are aware of course that TinMan was recently visited by these types and I also suffered some odd interruptions and consequences at the same time [we were in correspondence at the time].

so I must add that I do believe in Fairies and Mib's and can honestly say I don't know what to think about all the past claims of suppression that have been taken as lore in these forums and elsewhere...

@Citfta ,Not certain if your comment on Overunity was tongue in cheek or serious

most here are quite certain that Overunity is a reality however to be honest there is no such thing....
its all perspective on a new energy source that has yet to be discovered.

sort of like saying there is no such thing as perpetual motion, in a universe which is in perpetual motion at every conceivable level....
of course some would say that's perspective too.

?

respectfully

Chet




   

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2015, 04:46:03 AM »
Well, consider this. There are two separate issues here. One is whether or not the MiBs/Lawyers are active in suppressing stuff, and the other is whether or not the Mack's Magnet Motor under discussion will ever or has ever worked as claimed.

So there are four possible states of affairs, and I ask you to consider whether or not what is happening in that thread (and some others we know about) is consistent with any of them.

1. There are no MiBs/Lawyers, and there is no possible working Magnet Motor as claimed and Mack and "Dufo" are full of hot air.
2. There are no MiBs/Lawyers, and Mack is sincere, he is telling the truth and has a self-running Magnet Motor just as described.
3. The MiBs/Lawyers are active and will sue you and shut you down if you get close to building a self running Magnet Motor or other OU device, but there is no possible working Magnet Motor as claimed and Mack and "Dufo" are full of hot air.
4. The MiBs/Lawyers are active and will sue you and shut you down if you get close to building a self running Magnet Motor or other OU device, and Mack is sincere, telling the truth and has a self-running Magnet Motor just as described.

So, pick one of the four possibilities and then reconcile your choice with what is going on in the EF thread (and those others we know about.)


Just so you know, I believe TinMan's report of the "tea and biscuits" meeting (an aviation term) but I don't think that your (Chet's) outages had anything to do with it, they were just coincidences.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #77 on: October 03, 2015, 04:46:03 AM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2015, 06:15:31 AM »
Well
I would really [REALLY} like to believe that they didn't toast my computer and shut down my Long distance phone service
in one night ,woke up to a Dead Putor and a phone recording that said "sorry no long distance provider has been chosen for this number"???
only been using it for ten years....?
then I get a bill for 1200.00 dollars and they still cannot tell me who shut down my long distance service and generated this bill ?
I was only able to make local calls ?

I'm still waiting for an explanation ,the girls I get on the phone as well as their bosses honestly seem perplexed and absolutely stupefied by the whole thing ,its gone off to some head office for an audit and "final decision"  ??

yeah I would really like to believe its a coincidence....

Tooo many odd things going on Lately


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2015, 12:17:44 PM »
Well, consider this. There are two separate issues here. One is whether or not the MiBs/Lawyers are active in suppressing stuff, and the other is whether or not the Mack's Magnet Motor under discussion will ever or has ever worked as claimed.

So there are four possible states of affairs, and I ask you to consider whether or not what is happening in that thread (and some others we know about) is consistent with any of them.

1. There are no MiBs/Lawyers, and there is no possible working Magnet Motor as claimed and Mack and "Dufo" are full of hot air.
2. There are no MiBs/Lawyers, and Mack is sincere, he is telling the truth and has a self-running Magnet Motor just as described.
3. The MiBs/Lawyers are active and will sue you and shut you down if you get close to building a self running Magnet Motor or other OU device, but there is no possible working Magnet Motor as claimed and Mack and "Dufo" are full of hot air.
4. The MiBs/Lawyers are active and will sue you and shut you down if you get close to building a self running Magnet Motor or other OU device, and Mack is sincere, telling the truth and has a self-running Magnet Motor just as described.



I believe there is a 5th possibility.  Mack is sincere and Dufo is full of hot air.  I say this because several times in that thread Mack has had to correct info posted by Dufo.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2015, 12:17:44 PM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2015, 09:02:32 AM »
it would seem Mack has given a thumbs up to UFO politics rendering/ Build.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-17.html

thx for looking.

Chet K

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I hope your having a good time in OZ

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2015, 10:28:07 AM »
That page is going to look _really_ hilarious in a week, a month, and a year, when UFOPolitics is still telling people how to build Mack's motor and nobody, not him, not Mack, not BroMikey... none of them... are able to get their contraptions actually to run themselves. Or even get their rotors to spin longer than they would spin, without any magnets or ramps at all.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2015, 10:28:07 AM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2015, 04:15:21 PM »
I see a definate direction and no contradictions from Macks original postings on this,
Continuity all the way thru.....

UFO has built a nice tunable rig of exceptional quality !

he has A nice kick coming out of the gate and Mack has Been quite specific in the need for  multiple gates/ramps
To manifest a self run.


I declare a cheeseburger challenge on this one ...plus a magnum chaser for dessert (the Carmel peanut butter one)

I like my cheesburger medium rare with extra cheese......the magnum will be  fine right out of the box


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2015, 04:52:25 PM »
That page is going to look _really_ hilarious in a week, a month, and a year, when UFOPolitics is still telling people how to build Mack's motor and nobody, not him, not Mack, not BroMikey... none of them... are able to get their contraptions actually to run themselves. Or even get their rotors to spin longer than they would spin, without any magnets or ramps at all.

It already is hilarious.

Quote wantomake

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Ufopolitics,
You did it old friend!!!

I'm so glad to see that baby spin. My dream of seeing a real magnetic motor has come true.

I've been looking for materials to build a vertical machine to use with my 1/2" magnets. I noticed your tines are longer and thinner which makes since to not have too much steel causing back drag. Half the battle is designing a way to adjust the ramps and stators.

Man that's a wonderful thing to see.

 ??? ::)
here is the video wantomake is all excited about.
DUFO(<--,i like that knick name lol) says in the vide-just a few more adjustments and it !WILL! run-it's amazing  ;D

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaIttbSld5o&feature=youtu.be

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2015, 04:52:25 PM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2015, 04:54:09 PM »
I see a definate direction and no contradictions from Macks original postings on this,
Continuity all the way thru.....

UFO has built a nice tunable rig of exceptional quality !

he has A nice kick coming out of the gate and Mack has Been quite specific in the need for  multiple gates/ramps
To manifest a self run.


I declare a cheeseburger challenge on this one ...plus a magnum chaser for dessert (the Carmel peanut butter one)

I like my cheesburger medium rare with extra cheese......the magnum will be  fine right out of the box

Excellent idea
Im off to the shop. :D

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2015, 09:58:41 PM »
I see a definate direction and no contradictions from Macks original postings on this,
Continuity all the way thru.....

UFO has built a nice tunable rig of exceptional quality !

he has A nice kick coming out of the gate and Mack has Been quite specific in the need for  multiple gates/ramps
To manifest a self run.


I declare a cheeseburger challenge on this one ...plus a magnum chaser for dessert (the Carmel peanut butter one)

I like my cheesburger medium rare with extra cheese......the magnum will be  fine right out of the box

Why do you never see people testing in the way that I have described and even illustrated, long ago? I know why and so do you. A comparison test with just the rotor and its magnets, with the external ramps removed, will turn _longer_ when started with the same starting impulse, than it will with the external ramp contraptions installed. 

Come on UFO, you have the ability and the nice build to test PROPERLY. Why don't you do it?

I know why, and so do you.

Here's the TKChallenge to all you magnet motor builders.

1. Find a way to start your device with the _same starting energy_ each time, as I have illustrated in my Mondrasek videos, for example using a known weight dropped through a known distance ( E= mgh ) or an accurate tachometer so you can start timing from an exactly known rotor RPM.
2. Establish a "baseline" rundown time, taking the average of several rundowns of an INERT system, that is one with no stator ramps and the rotor magnets replaced with inert bits of metal or clay of the same weight and position.
3. Compare the time it takes for the rotor to run down to a stop in each case:
3a. the "baseline run" with all rotor magnets replaced with inert weights of the same weight and no external ramps;
3b. the rotor with its magnets installed but no external ramps;
3c. and the full setup with magnets and ramps and anything else you want to add.

For proper data, each condition should be run several times, like 10 or 20 times, and the average of the times taken as the rundown time for that condition. This should take care of random glitches and timing errors and allow one to do actual simple statistical analyses.

I'll bet a cheezburger that the baseline condition will produce the longest rundown times, showing that magnets and external gadgets only take away, not add, any energy to the system.

It would probably take UFOPolitics all of an afternoon to set up and perform these PROPER CONTROL EXPERIMENTS and obtain some real useful data. Will he or anyone else do it? Let's wait and see, shall we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMIsABzDkw0

Come on people, if you want to TEST something, do it properly, by taking real data, comparing the effects of a controlled energy input on various configurations of your devices. Get "mister hand" out of the picture and get some actual NUMBERS, and some actual COMPARISONS going on.  Or are you just afraid of what you might find out by proceeding scientifically ?


(And as far as contradictions in Mack's statements.... what about the NDA, what about the "cease and desist order" ? Those are really inconsistent with what he's been posting, aren't they?)

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2015, 10:25:19 PM »
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Eventually they'll get to some configuration that has all forces balanced out, and they'll give it a spin by hand and it will spin for a while and come to a stop... and they'll claim "IT'S WORKING but still stops for some reason!!" But they'll never compare to a "null" version with the same rotational inertia but no magnets... which would of course spin for the same, or even greater, length of time given the same starting impulse.

Tinsel
Geeze I hate when this happens...[quite embarrassing actually]....My crystal Ball is in the shop for calibration again so Obviously I am unable to double check your prophesies and visions....

(snip)
respectfully

Chet




 

Well, it has been seven days since we posted that, and nobody has yet done the simple null rundown testing that I suggested.... just as I predicted.

They will avoid doing any testing that has the potential to reveal that their work is in vain. 

How long do you think it would have taken UFOPolitics to make a groove in the outer edge of his rotor and use a dropped weight-on-a-string, instead of Mister Hand, to start his rotor with a known and repeatable starting impulse? How long to take baseline rundown data on a null (no magnets) rotor?

These are very simple tests I'm suggesting and they definitely DO have the potential to show whether or not any changes are adding or subtracting from the running of the device. 

So why isn't UFOPolitics doing them? How is it possible to know if any changes are working, if you don't have a valid baseline for comparison, and you are using Mister Hand to spin your rotor? Why isn't anyone actually _answering my questions?_ 

I know why and so do you.

Why, it even almost seems that nobody really wants to _prove me wrong_ with solid data, repeatable tests and simple statistics (taking averages and standard deviations of a set of repeated trials.) I guess it's just too much trouble....

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2015, 10:49:13 PM »



      UFO. and the Prony Brake.
      Damn good username though!
     

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2015, 10:51:17 PM »
Tk , Whats the point in doing all those testes?
UFO's video show how after the initial spin it begins to slow and is about to come to rest, before he grabs it and stops it.
I've built hundreds of designs , they have always found a point of balance or they lock up.
Even if it will continue to rotate as soon as you put a load on it , it will change the whole arrangement of the balancing act.
I hope they prove me wrong, I just can't see it.
When is gravity stronger than magnetism , when is magnetism stronger than gravity?
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #89 on: October 09, 2015, 11:14:58 PM »



 Best to keep UFO's testes out of it!

 

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