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Author Topic: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]  (Read 92478 times)

Offline Jimboot

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2015, 04:04:35 AM »
Jimboot,
I'll have to check with the wife. She's the mastermind behind this adventure. I'll tell you one thing...before we started talking about this trip, I had always thought of Australia as a little island in the ocean. But when you start to look at DISTANCES between cities there, I have come to realize just how freaking big that "little island" is. It's about the SAME size as the United States. I had NO idea. I guess I have just led a sheltered life, either that or I never paid attention in Geography class! That's far more likely. And what an AMAZING country. I'm not looking forward to 14 hours on an airplane to get there, but I am looking forward to the destination.


Dave
Yeah don't try to do it all in one trip! You must do Uluru and the great barrier reef both of which are 1000s of km away from me. If you do the reef catch a sea plane out there.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2015, 05:18:40 AM »
Worked in Sydney for two years  (best 2 of my life) and took many trips.

I would highly recommend Kakadu NP if you are in the Darwin NT area.
It is a cross between African savanna and a tropical rain forest with some amazing waterfalls (look up JimJim falls for example)
Hot as hell, but the scenery and wildlife best in the world for such a concentrated area.
Crocs, Water Buffalo, Eagles, Roos, you name it.
Less than 4 hours outside Darwin City center, which is just a stones throw in Aus terms.

If you are staying in Sydney, a trip to the Blue Mountains is a must.
I solo climbed (no rope) the three sisters in Katoomba.
Northern Beaches are also a must.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2015, 09:10:37 AM »
Has anyone tried a steel over the stator mags and taking advantage of the neutral zone? I'll give it a try when I'm back on the bench but rather than trying to direct the flux why not flip it at the right moment? Just a thought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OSXbG2BmUw

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2015, 02:53:31 PM »
David
I hope your home made it thru the fires.. [last we heard you were not certain ?]
It is hard to grasp that kind of loss? ,but gladly you and family are safe .

updates here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-8.html?s=de1e34f84c4288082785bb31897c40a3

thx

Chet

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2015, 04:31:00 PM »
That's hilarious! Now UFOPolitics is involved, posting page after page of his instructions. This is the guy that claimed "Overunity galore" from his motor build years ago (December 2012):

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-95.html#post218245

and has carried on just about the longest "put-on" thread ever, with thousands of dollars spent, dozens if not hundreds of expensive NTE mosfets blown out, and not a single Joule of energy produced over what is used to power the motor builds. Now up to nearly 7900 posts, on 264 pages. Now he's telling other people how to build a permanent magnet motor that _he himself_ cannot build.

Have fun, people. You are wasting your time, just as all those people who followed UFOPolitics in his "asymmetric electrodynamic machine" thread have wasted their time and money. But it is certainly your time and money to waste. In 2 1/2 years from now... will UFOPolitics still be telling you how to make something he can't make himself? If history is any judge, he will be. And you _still_ won't have any magic magnet motor that spins on its own. Every second, every cent, that you spend on this project is time and money wasted, that you could use for better projects that might have a hope of success. Or on helping someone who is in need. Or even just spending it on your own family.

Have you ever seen anybody do _actual_ tests that can determine if changes or additions to a build actually help or hurt? Anybody besides ME, that is?

First you have to establish a baseline rundown condition. Take your rotor with its magnets but NO STATORS/ramps/etc.  and figure out how to supply a constant, repeatable starting impulse to the rotor. Either spin it up to a known RPM, or provide a known amount of energy to it by use of a falling weight on a string, or something like that. Time the length of time it takes for the rotor to spin down to a stop when given your starting impulse. Do this several times and take an average of the times so that you have a good idea of the actual time it takes to spin down. Now start adding your stator magnets, ramps, etc. in a logical progressive manner, and repeat the rundown tests at each stage. Do ANY of your modifications result in a longer rundown time than you got with just the bare rotor? Huh? DO THEY? You don't even know, unless you actually DO THE TESTING and do it properly. If your added stator structures actually help, then clearly the rundown times from your standard starting impulse should be longer than what you got with your rotor-only tests. RIGHT? Or, conversely, you can compare your fully-populated rotor containing magnets, with one that has inert blocks of the same weight instead of magnets. But who is actually doing these kinds of tests, to see if adding parts or adjusting them in any way actually helps towards getting longer rundown times?

Have you ever seen anybody do this kind of testing of a magnet or gravity motor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMIsABzDkw0




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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2015, 05:37:43 PM »
TinselKoala,
I test my rotor in the following fashion. With magnets mounted, I have a small directional "fin" (It is angled so aerodynamic from one side, but catches air from the other side.) I mount onto the rotor against which I can blow compressed air. I speed the rotor up slowly to a specific rpm. For me that is 1800, since it is a number I use on a number of other kinds of tests. By adjusting the air pressure slowly, I can get the rotor DEAD ON at 1800 rpm. Then I turn the air off and time how long it takes to come to a complete stop. I do this several times so I can get an average. I call this my "run down time" for want of a better term. Your method with the string and weight might not work with stators and ramps and such in the way, so this is what I use since it can be used no matter what I mount around the outside of the rotor.


Now, as to what I have seen with this build. I tried two magnets on my rotor ONLY, to get my baseline. I balanced  the two magnets on the rotor with the two magnets on the stator as the instructions called for. I was happy to note that this did NOT impact the run down time which is what was claimed. This took a while. In fact, when I first tried it with round neo magnets, I was NOT able to get it to balance. There was always a sticky point. So I went to square ceramics. I was able to balance it with those. Then I tried it with square neos and was able to get it to balance with those. Others have been able to get it to balance with round neos, or at least that is what their videos show, but I have NOT, so that is what I am reporting. I will not try again with round neos as it was too frustrating. I added two ramps...one at each stator. With the two ramps mounted I saw an increase in speed as the magnets approached the ramps. However, the increase in rundown time was so slight I cannot statistically justify even calling it an increase...yet.  These were slightly curved ramps, but they did not have the recommended bend on one end. I had yet to make that modification. My next step WOULD have been to mount all the magnets on the rotor. I will be unable to do further testing for the time being as I have been evacuated from my home because of the Butte fire in California, and will probably lose my hose, as ten houses on my street  are now showing as in the burn area of the fire. So for now I'm stuck at a friends house watching movies all day. Hard life.


By the way, I was one of those that built a small modified UFO motor when he first came on the scene. I did indeed see that you could collect some of the generated power from the motor through the second set of brushes, but at low voltage the motor had NO torque, so further experimentation did not interest me. I can get as much OR MORE out of a motor by running it between potential differences, and it still has all the torque it is supposed to. So this is not a case of the blind leading the blind. I have seen what UFO has posted, but I concentrate on what the original discloser had to say, except in those cases where he affirms something someone else has said. And I keep good notes so I KNOW what he has said. I have seen too many threads go down the wrong road because someone stepped in to "contribute".


Dave

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2015, 06:27:00 PM »
Good for you, I'm glad you are taking a scientific approach. Not many people do. Don't forget that the magnet fields may also affect your bearings; that's why I used completely non-metallic bearings in the example test I showed above. To "smooth out" random errors you should take data on at least ten or twenty rundown trials in each condition and get an average (mean) and standard deviation of the values.

I'm very sorry to hear about your house and the fire problem. Let's keep fingers crossed and hope that the outcome is not too bad for you and your neighbors.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2015, 02:02:58 AM »
Good luck for the house Dave, love your attitude.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2015, 10:52:35 AM »
Tinsel
You probably have before ...
however I forgot ?? [I have a vague recollection of it being a teaching Video of sorts]
can you explain this Vid ?

Vid was NOT AUTHORIZED For use and I removed it.
very sad to read about Mark E !!

thx

Chet
« Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 03:40:50 PM by ramset »

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2015, 02:02:18 PM »
I'm in no mood to discuss trivia at the moment... I just read Mark Dansie's report about MarkE.

I can tell you these things:

The device was originally designed by Overconfident, who died of a brain tumor (malignant melanoma) several years ago.
The video was put up on YouTube to prove a point to Omnibus and was taken down after only being up for 27 minutes, as soon as Omnibus had seen it.
All copies of the video available on YT are unauthorized, plagiarized and many have been altered in various ways. Someone copied it without permission in the 27 minutes it was up and reposted it and it's all downhill from there.

The device is now lost, but you know where it may be (even if you don't realize it).
 
Teaching? Yes, undoubtedly. Did anyone learn anything from it? I certainly did.
"If what you think you are seeing appears to violate some physical law or principle, examine your assumptions...."

Out of respect for the memory of Overconfident, I really don't want to discuss it further. It was done to death back in the day, anyhow.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2015, 10:19:36 PM »
Mack is adding some more insight into his thought process or "M.O." of the Motor.
a posted link http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/vectors/Lesson-3/Resolution-of-Forces

from here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-9.html

 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2015, 01:51:44 PM »
Things are rolling along at the thread ,
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Ladies and gentleman, I am now the recipient of a CEASE AND DESIST demand specifically citing this forum thread and all other public or private venues. Since everything I have discussed is prior art or general design advice I refuse to do so. My so called partners may have control of a specific motor design but they do not own the knowledge I have. I have not revealed any information specific to the patent application that was supposed to be filed “for our mutual benefit” before now.

Here is some straight to the point information: The ramp splits earlier than my drawing shows. In my side view, where the ramp approaches the rotor at a severe angle and then levels off, that is roughly the middle point of the fork spread. In other words, by the time the ramp reaches that leveling off point the split is almost half as wide as it gets. And with a 1/2” square stator magnet face, the gap between the forks is about 1/4” wide at that point. If you scale it out you will see that the angle formed by the V of the forks is roughly 16 to 18 degrees. In my top view, about 8 degrees for each fork measured from the horizontal center line of the stator magnet.

As the distance between the forks widens, the distance between the forks and the rotor magnet decreases, mostly due to the arc of the rotor travel, and this helps cancel the back drag caused by the angle between the two forks.

The function of the ramp is to provide the “power stroke” as Ufo says, then as the ramp continues toward the stator magnet, to at least maintain the rotor speed until the ramp's attraction to the rotor can be dissipated as much as possible, leaving the two magnets as the sole attraction mechanism, again as much as possible. This function is what must be accomplished with this ramp. Period, the end.

Rue,
We are not canceling magnetic poles, we balance the force applied to the rotor by two sets of magnets at separate points. Later we will alter that balance at advantageous points in the rotation so the magnet sets can aid the rotation.

BroMikey,
Eddy currents circulate parallel to the rotor shaft, so the laminations are 90 degrees to the shaft to limit the circulation. Exactly the same as in an electric motor. No need to read between the lines here.
BTW you do have the view labels reversed in post 320.
You asked earlier about the rotor material, it sounds to me like you would be the expert there. I just asked my plastic supplier for a strong, dimensionally stable nylon that was easily machinable and he sold me a material that fit the bill. Sorry I don't have the invoice and I don't remember the exact type of nylon but I got it from Sabic Polymershapes.

Cristian,
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the air gap between the ramp and the magnet on the side up - down and the thick of the ramp, as a general rule? 

I'm not exactly sure what the question is. The air gap is a variable, it depends on the strength of the magnets and how you decide to terminate the forks. The gap is a fraction of the stator magnet width. The cross section area of the ramp should be at least the same as the rotor magnet. The forks, at least half that at the beginning of the fork and less at the end of the fork. The point is to carry all the lines of flux of the rotor magnet until you wish to diminish the attraction between the rotor and ramp at the stator magnet, and there is more than one way to accomplish that. K&J Magnetics has information on the thickness of iron it takes to contain all the lines of force for their magnets.

Randy & Wantomake,
I used a 1/4” x 1” mild steel ramp for my initial tests. If it becomes too magnetic, heat it to a dull red & let it slowly air cool.

@Everyone,
If any of you are having excessive difficulty balancing more than two pole sets and ramps together, the motor can be divided into multiple rotors and stators on a common shaft. I'm not advocating doing this, just pointing out the possibility.

I hope I have answered all the questions that have been asked of me. If I have overlooked anyone, please repost and I will try to address the question.

Come on you guys! Some of you are so close to finishing this 2nd step I'm bouncing in my seat with anticipation.

Best Regards to all,

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-12.html

Thx
Chet K

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2015, 03:17:28 PM »
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Mad Macks magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2015, 09:09:22 PM »
That's hilarious! So UFOPolitics has abandoned his "asymmetric motor" which, according to him in December of 2012, made "Overunity Galore"!!! But, as everyone now knows, doesn't work as he claimed for so long in his nearly never ending thread.... and now he's telling everyone just how to build this thing! Which also will never work, and which is getting to be more and more like Minato's designs every day.

Well, at least it will keep them off the streets... until the next blowhard false claimant comes along and suckers them in with "sincerity" and false claims of having had--- some time ago--- some kind of thing that "worked" but for some reason can't show it working today.

Nobody is afraid of lawsuits, or visits from the Men In Black, over there either. So they don't actually even believe the stories themselves.

Eventually they'll get to some configuration that has all forces balanced out, and they'll give it a spin by hand and it will spin for a while and come to a stop... and they'll claim "IT'S WORKING but still stops for some reason!!" But they'll never compare to a "null" version with the same rotational inertia but no magnets... which would of course spin for the same, or even greater, length of time given the same starting impulse. Look, UFOPolitics, when asked to produce a video of a Working version, made a _cartoon_!!

Hey... why not just continue working on the Ainslie OU heater claims, which she is attempting to bring back from the dead? Or is Err-on too embarrassed to try that one on again?


 

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