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Author Topic: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]  (Read 88462 times)

Offline Jimboot

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2015, 03:35:23 AM »
Quote from: ramset link=topic=15996.msg460227#msg460227 date

however I was speaking with Jim Boot today about that very topic and He said Russ G had some fool proof way of keeping Dirtbags Like Teslatronics from harvesting the work of many as their own...
perhaps he will add some comments here.??

however I must add my own experiences here ,recently it became quite obvious that Patenting or business ventures associated with a true free energy devices will never be aloud to fly in this world.

going to the patent office or any government authority to insure your Rights to an over unity invention is like handing a very big man a stick to beat you with

So its open source or nothing at this time..
Just got this from Russ, I haven't looked into it yet but seems promising. http://www.defensivepublications.org
I'll also be publishing his slides from the tesla tech conference as soon as I find them
Here 'tis http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Tesla%20Tech%20ExtraOrdinary%20Technology%20Conference/Russ%20Gries%20Tesla%20Tech%20ExtraOrdinary%20Technology%20Conference%202014.pptx


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Offline Jimboot

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2015, 03:43:34 AM »
Btw Dave you just won the "top bloke" award.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2015, 06:25:18 AM »
Absolute Certainty Is Not Scientific

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How about a little agnosticism in our scientific assertions—and even, as with Richard Feynman, a little sense of humor so that we can laugh at our errors and move on? We should all remember that Feynman also said, "If you think that science is certain—well that's just an error on your part."

Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:

1. Skepticism of unsupported claims
2. Combination of an open mind with critical thinking
3. Attempts to repeat experimental results.
4. Requires testability
5. Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6. Uses descriptive language
7. Performs controlled experiments
8. Self-correcting
9. Relies on evidence and reason
10. Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge
11. Produces useful knowledge

I went to OU-Land for the rides, but all I got was the T-Shirt .....

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2015, 11:54:00 AM »
Dave said,
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Personally, I have a REAL problem with folks who come on the sites and claim to have something without showing at MINIMUM a half assed working model, because that usually means they had some wet dream about something and want others to go to the effort and expense of building it, and I have NO USE for those people. None. Zip. Nada. But if someone shows a working model and believes they have something, I believe we owe them the courtesy and respect of at least replicating before we rip it to shreds. And perhaps giving them the chance to show us where the error was in our construction.

But that is exactly the situation here. Or rather on EF, since the "sincere gentleman" hasn't posted his claims here himself.  He has presented not even a "half assed working model", in fact he hasn't really presented anything new or different at all. Just some verbal descriptions.

Dave also said,
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NOBODY builds anything anymore. It's a damn shame. People might learn a thing or two that isn't in the textbooks. And it isn't that I believe the textbooks are wrong. I just believe they don't tell the whole story. They do NOT explain some of the things I have seen.

That clearly isn't true. In the first place, lots of people DO build things... even I do, on occasion, build things that people have claimed do this and that, in order that I might see for myself just what they do and why they do it. I even have one or two YouTube videos documenting my builds of these kinds of things.

In the second place, if you do not talk about the "things you have seen" you might miss the "textbook" explanations that somebody else might be aware of. Have you read "all" the textbooks? Do you understand, for instance, everything that appears in Beer&Johnston's Statics and Dynamics textbook? How about Fundamentals of Thermodynamics? Or Circuits, Devices and Systems? Perhaps you simply have noticed certain aspects of an experimental demonstration that _you_ don't understand, but are in fact covered in detail in one or the other of the textbooks you haven't read?





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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2015, 12:01:11 PM »
Absolute Certainty Is Not Scientific

Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:

1. Skepticism of unsupported claims
2. Combination of an open mind with critical thinking
3. Attempts to repeat experimental results.
4. Requires testability
5. Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6. Uses descriptive language
7. Performs controlled experiments
8. Self-correcting
9. Relies on evidence and reason
10. Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge
11. Produces useful knowledge

I went to OU-Land for the rides, but all I got was the T-Shirt .....

So... I have a hypothesis that if I simply flap my arms hard enough, I can fly, or at least slow my descent enough to survive jumping off the top of a 10 story building. After all, birds do it.

Yet, my knowledge of physics tells me in _certain, and absolute_ terms that this isn't actually true, that the aerodynamics are wrong and the power-to-weight ratio is insufficient and lots of other reasons why it won't work.

What do you think... should I perform the experiment anyway? Based on the claims of someone on a forum who claims to have done it but won't provide any evidence because of his "NDA"?

I'm sure there are lots of people reading this who would like me to perform the experiment... and fail. But my absolute and certain knowledge that it _will_ fail prevents me from wanting to waste my time-- even though I might learn something interesting on the way down. "My goodness, look at how my T-shirt flutters in the wind! That's not explained in any textboo....." SPLAT!!!

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Offline SoManyWires

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2015, 12:08:53 PM »
So... I have a hypothesis that if I simply flap my arms hard enough, I can fly, or at least slow my descent enough to survive jumping off the top of a 10 story building. After all, birds do it.

Yet, my knowledge of physics tells me in _certain, and absolute_ terms that this isn't actually true, that the aerodynamics are wrong and the power-to-weight ratio is insufficient and lots of other reasons why it won't work.

What do you think... should I perform the experiment anyway? Based on the claims of someone on a forum who claims to have done it but won't provide any evidence because of his "NDA"?

I'm sure there are lots of people reading this who would like me to perform the experiment... and fail. But my absolute and certain knowledge that it _will_ fail prevents me from wanting to waste my time-- even though I might learn something interesting on the way down. "My goodness, look at how my T-shirt flutters in the wind! That's not explained in any textboo....." SPLAT!!!

lol.
you do make valid points with the many helpful posts using comical laymans terms.

Offline ramset

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2015, 01:51:59 PM »
meat wings and magnets.....are you being sincere ??

HHMMm  I'm fairly certain your Meat wings would not save you in your experiment, we surely do know enuff about Meatwinged scientists and flying,[probably more to learn about Meathead scientists on another day]
However comparing Meatwinged scientists and Magnets ??

We surely Don't hold the keys to magnetism [huge understatement] and comparing the two in the same breathe or sentence as it applies here is at best silly...and at least "insincere", which would make the whole thing "ungentlemanly".[**Note I'm writing the book ...[b]The Ungentlemanly things that insincere Meatheaded knuckledragging scientists that think they can fly may suggest] still working on that tittle ??

 I know you can't read "all"at Energetic so your wings are clipped a bit with what goes on there ,nor can you search thru Macks many contributions in other topics, However Mack did mention some olde Book and perhaps your input on that would be helpful ?
and to be clear we do have a member here that witnessed magnets doing work [the Wesley Gary effect]
so old books are good and old expeiments in those books should not be dismissed.

respectfully
Chet
PS
and here we have some thoughts on the subject of motion and change and how we truly don't know all
there is to know about this place and what makes it tick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWiBxWieQU&feature=youtu.be
thx to Jim Boot for the link.

« Last Edit: September 03, 2015, 03:53:00 PM by ramset »

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2015, 09:11:47 PM »
Hi Dave,

Thanks for sharing. Another option for adjusting the magnet field is with Giron. Shielding though is a bit of a misnomer as it is more of modulation of the field. Where the field will disperse in iron, Giron focuses it which actually makes it harder to get by as a sticky point unless multiple layers are used depending on magnetic strength.

I tried this with my last build although I could reduce the cogging with about 4 layers of Giron sheet it created an attraction which balanced out the repulsion so no net gain. Attached is pictures of a spiral ramp with one gate. The base is north facing, when the rotor is in attraction it will climb up the spiral in repulsion it will go down the spiral.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2015, 12:44:33 PM »



   I listened to the Wallace Thornhill thingy and found it rather sad.
 I'd like to know what anyone else thought about this lecture.
 Looking into it a bit I came across Brian Koberlein, now there is
 one patient fellow.
    I don't have any particular ideas myself but I have the feeling
 that there's still along way to go before the mysteries of the universe
 fully understood.
              John.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2015, 05:22:46 PM »


   I listened to the Wallace Thornhill thingy and found it rather sad.
 I'd like to know what anyone else thought about this lecture.
 Looking into it a bit I came across Brian Koberlein, now there is
 one patient fellow.
    I don't have any particular ideas myself but I have the feeling
 that there's still along way to go before the mysteries of the universe
 fully understood.
              John.




I actually find the lectures quite exciting. The universe is alive with electricity

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2015, 05:35:07 PM »

Here's the latest video. I couldn't get it to balance with the ROUND neos, so switched to the rectangular ceramics. I got the magnets at Lowes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-MsoDl7KFI
« Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 08:33:48 PM by Dbowling »

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2015, 01:02:35 AM »
     And here it is with the ramps added.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilft5GDovJ0[/font][/size]
I haven't fine tuned them yet, but I can see they pull the magnet into the stator. The attraction of the ceramics is pretty weak though.
 
And here is where the book we were directed to comes into play, especially the pages that we were pointed to on the EF web site posting. Tuning the ramps so that they do what we want them to do. Without that part of it, doesn't matter how many magnets and ramps I put around the circle, it isn't going to work. And maybe it won't work anyway. But I'm going to find out for sure! Pssst! If it DOES work, nobody tell TinselKoala!
 
Hmmm, I’m headed to Australia in a month or so. Wonder if that’s where he’s from, with that name? It’s such a SMALL country I’ll no doubt bump into him the minute I get off the plane!
 
Dave
 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2015, 12:27:11 PM »
     And here it is with the ramps added.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilft5GDovJ0[/font][/size]
I haven't fine tuned them yet, but I can see they pull the magnet into the stator. The attraction of the ceramics is pretty weak though.
 
And here is where the book we were directed to comes into play, especially the pages that we were pointed to on the EF web site posting. Tuning the ramps so that they do what we want them to do. Without that part of it, doesn't matter how many magnets and ramps I put around the circle, it isn't going to work. And maybe it won't work anyway. But I'm going to find out for sure! Pssst! If it DOES work, nobody tell TinselKoala!
 
Hmmm, I’m headed to Australia in a month or so. Wonder if that’s where he’s from, with that name? It’s such a SMALL country I’ll no doubt bump into him the minute I get off the plane!
 
Dave
If you're coming to Melbourne love to catch up

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2015, 03:36:24 PM »
Jimboot,
I'll have to check with the wife. She's the mastermind behind this adventure. I'll tell you one thing...before we started talking about this trip, I had always thought of Australia as a little island in the ocean. But when you start to look at DISTANCES between cities there, I have come to realize just how freaking big that "little island" is. It's about the SAME size as the United States. I had NO idea. I guess I have just led a sheltered life, either that or I never paid attention in Geography class! That's far more likely. And what an AMAZING country. I'm not looking forward to 14 hours on an airplane to get there, but I am looking forward to the destination.


Dave


 

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