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Author Topic: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]  (Read 88461 times)

Offline gravityblock

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2015, 12:24:46 PM »
Which photos and videos do you mean?

And who is Lisa Haven?

The photos, videos, design drawings, etc. that Mack can't release for being in violation of his "so-called" NDA.  If he was scammed, then he was more than likely shown photos and videos to fraudulently convince him of the authenticity of the device.  However, this doesn't mean Mack himself has any photos, videos, design drawings, etc.

Lisa Haven is an avid research analyst.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2015, 04:27:07 PM »
Hey, I call them as I see them. The "gentleman" in question is claiming to have the Big Secret and is acting like he actually has (or HAD, now they are "long gone") a working prototype, but he refuses to show it due to some "NDA".
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The bottom line is that our open source work and commercial NDA attitudes don't mix.
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Offline ramset

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2015, 09:15:23 PM »
Mack has added a reference for reading [Daniel Davis ??]


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20239-magnet-motor-revelation-3.html

please have a look

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2015, 09:15:23 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2015, 03:41:20 AM »
"Sometimes if you have nuttin nice to say its better to not say anything at all" [Quote from "Thumper" ]

here is a fellow who is more action than Talk ,Member  Turion from Energetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQbpTtBfZX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmG0ZXgTIhA

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2015, 04:10:38 AM »
ramset,
Those are my videos you posted. I am not saying this works. But I am seeing some interesting things here. I will be spending a lot more time with it before I jump to any conclusions either positive OR negative. Too early for me to judge. I haven't even got it balanced yet.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2015, 04:10:38 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2015, 04:58:53 AM »
You are wasting your time, money and creative juices.

You should demand to see some evidence of a working prototype from the claimant, before you do anything else.

And of course you will never see such evidence. As time goes on and the discussion continues, you will begin to question the whole "NDA" story as well.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2015, 05:18:03 AM »
No, what I SHOULD do is take the time to decide for myself whether or not there is anything to this. I'm not taking HIS word that there is, and I'm not taking YOUR word that there isn't. I will say that the NDA story sounded fishy to me from the word go, but that's neither here nor there. I will investigate this because I have a mind of my own, and there was enough different about his explanation from what I have seen before to interest me. Why in the WORLD would you want me to stop right now? The only person with anything to lose here is me, and it's just time that I enjoy spending on this kind of stuff. Every single part I used was already in my shop, so it hasn't cost me a penny so far. l will prove it to my own satisfaction, or disprove it and video it for everyone to see. There are too many people who spend all their time here arguing that things cannot possibly work rather than spend a couple hours to see for themselves because they believe they already know. What I have ALREADY seen has given me some understanding of the relationships between magnets and what happens when you change the orientation between bodies of like polarities, so I am learning new things every step of the way. You can't put a price on knowledge. Whether this works or NOT, and I'm NOT saying it will, I have learned a few things that I can apply in other situations.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2015, 05:18:03 AM »
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Offline SoManyWires

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2015, 11:05:47 AM »
No, what I SHOULD do is take the time to decide for myself whether or not there is anything to this. I'm not taking HIS word that there is, and I'm not taking YOUR word that there isn't. I will say that the NDA story sounded fishy to me from the word go, but that's neither here nor there. I will investigate this because I have a mind of my own, and there was enough different about his explanation from what I have seen before to interest me. Why in the WORLD would you want me to stop right now? The only person with anything to lose here is me, and it's just time that I enjoy spending on this kind of stuff. Every single part I used was already in my shop, so it hasn't cost me a penny so far. l will prove it to my own satisfaction, or disprove it and video it for everyone to see. There are too many people who spend all their time here arguing that things cannot possibly work rather than spend a couple hours to see for themselves because they believe they already know. What I have ALREADY seen has given me some understanding of the relationships between magnets and what happens when you change the orientation between bodies of like polarities, so I am learning new things every step of the way. You can't put a price on knowledge. Whether this works or NOT, and I'm NOT saying it will, I have learned a few things that I can apply in other situations.


Dave

well said.

nothing works, when nothing is built.

Offline Cherryman

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2015, 11:31:03 AM »
No, what I SHOULD do is take the time to decide for myself whether or not there is anything to this. I'm not taking HIS word that there is, and I'm not taking YOUR word that there isn't. I will say that the NDA story sounded fishy to me from the word go, but that's neither here nor there. I will investigate this because I have a mind of my own, and there was enough different about his explanation from what I have seen before to interest me. Why in the WORLD would you want me to stop right now? The only person with anything to lose here is me, and it's just time that I enjoy spending on this kind of stuff. Every single part I used was already in my shop, so it hasn't cost me a penny so far. l will prove it to my own satisfaction, or disprove it and video it for everyone to see. There are too many people who spend all their time here arguing that things cannot possibly work rather than spend a couple hours to see for themselves because they believe they already know. What I have ALREADY seen has given me some understanding of the relationships between magnets and what happens when you change the orientation between bodies of like polarities, so I am learning new things every step of the way. You can't put a price on knowledge. Whether this works or NOT, and I'm NOT saying it will, I have learned a few things that I can apply in other situations.


Dave


Excellent statement !

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2015, 11:31:03 AM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2015, 02:21:39 PM »
Dave
I forgot who you were  :-[

Sigh... Too much data in my small skull....

But I must add ,I'm happy to have been reminded [your a cool Guy]

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2015, 05:11:08 PM »
Of course you are free to waste your time and money however you like. I just think it's a damned shame, that's all. This very same story has been repeated time and time again, with someone claiming some effect and getting others all excited about it, when the original claimant can't even produce the effect claimed him(her)self. This is a tremendous source of ego gratification to the original claimant, and not much else.

Here's a great example:
www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-95.html#post218245

That thread is _still_ going on today, and not a single Joule of excess energy has been produced, but many people have wasted lots of time and money. No self runners, no powering of one's home or shop, but mounds and piles of blown components and heavy doorstops not good for anything... except UFOPolitics's ego.
Other examples can easily be found, such as the FTW QEG scam, and EMJunkie's erroneous claims based on ignorance and false measurements.

Go ahead, Dave, work on this "sincere gentleman's" system to your heart's content. Nothing I can do or say will be able to prevent you. But I guarantee you will never achieve a self runner or produce any excess energy from permanent magnets -- not only because sound physics precludes it, but also because even the original claimant hasn't got what he claims to have had at one time.  But at least it will keep you off the streets. 

Be sure and report your findings here!

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2015, 08:03:40 PM »
Thanks TinselKoala,
Glad I have your permission Don't know what I would do without it.


I just DO NOT understand it. I thought these sites were places for folks to bring their ideas so others could replicate and prove or disprove the claims, and perhaps even make contributions. Instead every idea that is brought here is ripped to shreds by the naysayers without giving it half a chance.


Personally, I have a REAL problem with folks who come on the sites and claim to have something without showing at MINIMUM a half assed working model, because that usually means they had some wet dream about something and want others to go to the effort and expense of building it, and I have NO USE for those people. None. Zip. Nada. But if someone shows a working model and believes they have something, I believe we owe them the courtesy and respect of at least replicating before we rip it to shreds. And perhaps giving them the chance to show us where the error was in our construction.


If we can't do that, we might as well just post a big banner on the front page of this site that says "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COP>1" and close the site down.


My home base has pretty much been Energetic Forum, simply because there are more people there I have working relationships with and communicate with outside the forum. But THAT forum has been taken over by people who do nothing but post YouTube videos and theorize about why things can't work or should work.


NOBODY builds anything anymore. It's a damn shame. People might learn a thing or two that isn't in the textbooks. And it isn't that I believe the textbooks are wrong. I just believe they don't tell the whole story. They do NOT explain some of the things I have seen.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2015, 09:51:40 PM »
David
I have an opinion on this lack of experimenters .
TeslaTronics
this may not mean anything to you.. however we had Loads of experiments here in years past and lots of sharing and
contributions from many different members and then one day some Punk From Jersey [TeslaTronics] took the combined work
of all those members here and claimed it as his own and did a fund raiser ,did very well for himself.....

Not so well for the rest of us...

while it is just one silly example it shined a very brite light on a very big issue here , and oddly it really shouldn't be an issue at an open source web site however
IT IS AN ISSUE !!

"SOME" people have no conscience and really would steal candy from a baby ,and laugh all the way.

and when you realize that there are those out here reading this who would steal and lock you out of your own ideas [and everybody else too]
it is like a bucket of ice water to this whole open source process ,

IT SUCKS !!

however I was speaking with Jim Boot today about that very topic and He said Russ G had some fool proof way of keeping Dirtbags Like Teslatronics from harvesting the work of many as their own...
perhaps he will add some comments here.??

however I must add my own experiences here ,recently it became quite obvious that Patenting or business ventures associated with a true free energy devices will never be aloud to fly in this world.

going to the patent office or any government authority to insure your Rights to an over unity invention is like handing a very big man a stick to beat you with

So its open source or nothing at this time..





 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2015, 10:47:08 PM »
Steal from me all you want. If you make some money off my ideas but I do not, it does not matter to me as long as the IDEAS get out there. We should not let the actions of a few prevent this research from going forward. What goes around comes around. Someone who would do what that individual did has a black place where their soul should be, and they will never find true happiness. I, on the other hand, wake up so happy with my life every day that I probably annoy people around me.
I had a couple new ideas based on what I have seen with this simple machine, and while it may or may not be a working device, it has given me two very different directions to explore. BOTH of which should be interesting, and one of which I can't find ANY research on at all on the internet, which leads me to believe I may have really stumbled onto something. If I get a prototype to work, I will let you know.


Dave

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2015, 02:34:42 AM »
David
I have to say you are definitely the right stuff, there is no pillow quite as comfortable as a clear conscience and doing the right thing.
not always an easy road to travel.

as to my new friend Indegent I'm not sure if I should laugh cry or call my proctologist ....I hope you can turn that sloppy word salad into some cogent thought or true blue insult worthy of this forum and all the nasty potty mouth children who have gone before you ?





 

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