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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #255 on: January 22, 2016, 11:08:55 PM »
Experimenters take an idea and run with it.  They'll
cogitate, ponder, try, inprovise, fail, improvise and
keep trying as they acquire comprehension of the
sought after process. 8) ;)

Then there are Builders who demand spoon feeding of
each minute detail of the "device" in question.  Seemingly
unable to think for themselves or to improvise they
remain stuck in the muck and make no progress. :o :(

With effort, fortitude and patience even a Builder can
become an  Experimenter. :)

Then there are the Emotional Cripples who choose to
engage in inflammatory conversation.  Very unfortunately,
this affliction has affected both Experimenters and Builders.

But there is yet hope!  TK may ultimately save the day! ;D

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #256 on: January 23, 2016, 07:43:19 AM »
Do you also want me to cite references for my assertion that you cannot strip naked, jump off a ten story building, quack like a duck and flap your arms and fly away faster than a 777? Do you think that somehow, someday, some wild experimenter will disprove my assertion that this is a physical impossibility?
OK, I think you will probably agree with me that this is a physical impossibility, because you have lots of experience with gravity and how heavy things behave under its influence, and you know you don't have the power-to-weight ratio or the wing loading of a bird, much less a jetpowered one. So now, as the old joke goes, it's just a matter of negotiation. Where do you draw the line between "physically impossible" and "maybe possible"?

Look them up yourself. Here are some topic headings to get you started:

Laws of Thermodynamics
Conservation of Energy
Conservation of Momentum
Conservative fields of force

A self-running permanent magnet motor would violate many solidly-proven principles (call them Laws if you like) of physics. Hundreds of years of experimentation and many many thousands of research findings support these principles.

ETA: But after all, you have it backwards. It only takes one credible demonstration to prove me (and all those conservation laws) wrong. If someone can fly off the building, naked and flapping his arms, fine, let's see it happen. If someone claims to have built a permanent magnet motor that runs itself (with no machine tooling, in several variations, and simply enough to be described in words over the internet in spite of a signed NDA, yet) fine. Let him PROVE IT. Or confess that he cannot.

TK,...

If I had to rank the top 5 most intelligent, most educated individuals on this forum, you would be on the list...
and while I applaud your loyalty to Thermodynamic Theory (i'll leave the other 3 alone for now, because I don't specifically disagree with them)
I can't  wrap my head around your belligerently accepting that there is no magnetic anomalies we cannot fully explain.
we know there is a difference in the magnetic force vs a gravitational (or other time-variant field).
and anywhere else we find a difference in force (fluid pressure, rivers, wind, exploding gas) we find a way to utilize it to our advantage.

I mean sure, we can calculate the barometric pressure gradient over this part of the earth, and determine an average energy value of the wind over time,
to turn a generator, with x% losses and make electricity. We assume we know exactly where this energy is coming from....
heat from the sun and the earth's core, electrical activity between the ground and the ionosphere, etc...
but how much energy goes into the wind we harvest and where does it come from??
You accept this technology with no consideration of the thermodynamics involved?

Interacting magnets in the presence of a gravitational field can present itself in strange ways, mathematically and in physical experiment.
Eric Laithwaite made a long series of videos back some 40 years ago,  that could turn a 3yr old into an advanced magnetician.
But there were things, even HE did not understand.
I am no Eric Laithwaite.... And I'm sure there are many others that could teach me a few things about magnetism....
But I have seen at least one magnetic situation that has no valid answer under any thermodynamic resolution.

There is a second case, of which I am not yet entirely convinced, but has some anomalous properties I have not yet been able to explain.
And for some reason every year around June 20th, I find myself playing with it........ But that's neither here nor there....

Thermodynamics was designed by the scientific community to maintain stability on an economic standard of energy costs.
This may sound like some UFO conspiracy theory, and you probably won't believe me or think I am crazy or whatever..
but that's ok..  Thermodynamics does not control physics, it controls the way we use physics in our technologies.

It is resolved from 90some% of the equations that govern physics and mechanics when observed from a particular perspective.
It holds true in every case in which it is used, if you analyze the system by the boundaries set forth by the theorem.
There are systems to which these theories do not apply, or cannot be applied. Consider these to be "open systems".
Schools will not teach you this (with the exception of nuclear physics under certain curriculum programs).
It is forbidden by the National Accreditation System, the school will lose their accreditation.

I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that what they teach us is not correct, or not fully disclosed.
in college myself and/or other students in the class made such defiant devices as:
a drain plug with a hose and a jet nozzle that filled its own reservoir. (circa 1980's Coleman Cooler)
a Wick-Wheel, (made of paper) that used the capillary effect to turn a water wheel
a laser-phasing technique that exponentially increased the energy value of a combined beam.
a self-increasing dynamic thermal radiant event
as well as many mathematical anomalies that modern physics still has yet to resolve.

The field of magnetism, is the least understood of all physics, and while we have many equations and applications to describe the behavior
of a variety of magnetic arrangements
we cannot claim to be even close to knowing everything there is about magnetism.
the work of howard Johnson alone should raise your eyebrows about magnetic motors.
the history of H.J. actually happened. I grew up in Atlanta with parents in the AF, and family at Lockheed martin.
they flew electric jets built on his technology. silent, fast.
what happened to it after that no one knows, but he was under contract and working with their engineers

my personal experience with the issue, was an accident, resultant from a magnetic gearing design, but was not only self-sustaining, but self accelerating beyond any hope of control.

There are others who can clearly demonstrate magnetic anomalies, such as David Hamel.
our old friend Clanzer created a wonderful demonstration in a glass bowl with the activating magnet stationary above.
for all intensive purposes, it was a perpetual motion system, based on magnetic interaction (and gravity?).

I understand your education has set in stone certain fundamental principals that have held true throughout your realm of experiences.
But to claim that something is "impossible".... 
When ever has science been right about impossibilities?

heavier than air flight was impossible, reaching the bottom of the ocean was impossible, travel to space was impossible.
speed of sound, speed of light, I could go on....

There is more to this situation than most college professors will teach you. Some of them are oblivious, indoctrinated from childhood, and go on teaching without a clue.
While others know clear and well whats going on, and will tell you, but will not risk their jobs openly violating accreditation guidelines.

There are equations that govern technologies prohibited by modern physics. Most of these are held secret, not taught fully in schools.
some are taught, but only part of the situation is discussed.
Maxwell is one of the major exceptions to this. Some of his equations have escaped discretionary disclosure.,
and in them you can clearly see anomalous energy values occurring within discrete conditions.

The math that bridges the gap between thermodynamic law and pure einsteinian energy flow, is so simply elegant that one would spend a lifetime performing
the equations for no other purpose that the joy of doing so. (or to build a bomb under military contract....)

There are equations that are kept from us, Tesla, Euler, Maxwell, That explain situations not covered by the normal use of their equations.
These unlock technological potentials that could be devastating to the social structure of mankind (or so they say...)
Whatever reason they have for keeping this information from us is irrelevant, for most of the information is already available to us, and much of the unknown can be derived from the well used equations, and variations thereof.
The problem for most is comprehension, or more importantly, the broad scope of knowledge that has been meticulously segregated by degree-specific training,
necessary to build the entire puzzle.

The problem we face Mr Tinsel Kuala
is not that energy is not free..
but rather they do not WANT it to be.....


P.S.: ive watched a man in a squirrel suit (not naked) break the sound barrier off a cliff.
and create a shockwave@!



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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #257 on: January 23, 2016, 09:14:22 AM »
It really depends on what you mean by a magnetic motor, will a spinning magnet or two do ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPnxLSgnUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp9cFrZWneI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycs9zDZbdVo

Did you actually watch those videos? Do you understand Veproject's demonstrations?

The first video has nothing to do with magnets and is a hoax. Not only that, it is plagiarized by the "Nikola Tesla" poster who ripped it off without credit from the original poster. You will note that the video was posted in July of 2015.... but my photo of my replication of the original, attached below, was taken in May of 2015.

The second video is Lidmotor's illustration of _one way_ that the first video can be faked, out of many possibilities.

The third video is a compilation of some of Veproject's demonstrations.

There is no "self running" magnet motor shown in any of these videos.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #257 on: January 23, 2016, 09:14:22 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #258 on: January 23, 2016, 09:34:35 AM »
TK,...

If I had to rank the top 5 most intelligent, most educated individuals on this forum, you would be on the list...
and while I applaud your loyalty to Thermodynamic Theory (i'll leave the other 3 alone for now, because I don't specifically disagree with them)
I can't  wrap my head around your belligerently accepting that there is no magnetic anomalies we cannot fully explain.
we know there is a difference in the magnetic force vs a gravitational (or other time-variant field).
and anywhere else we find a difference in force (fluid pressure, rivers, wind, exploding gas) we find a way to utilize it to our advantage.

I mean sure, we can calculate the barometric pressure gradient over this part of the earth, and determine an average energy value of the wind over time,
to turn a generator, with x% losses and make electricity. We assume we know exactly where this energy is coming from....
heat from the sun and the earth's core, electrical activity between the ground and the ionosphere, etc...
but how much energy goes into the wind we harvest and where does it come from??
You accept this technology with no consideration of the thermodynamics involved?

Interacting magnets in the presence of a gravitational field can present itself in strange ways, mathematically and in physical experiment.
Eric Laithwaite made a long series of videos back some 40 years ago,  that could turn a 3yr old into an advanced magnetician.
But there were things, even HE did not understand.
I am no Eric Laithwaite.... And I'm sure there are many others that could teach me a few things about magnetism....
But I have seen at least one magnetic situation that has no valid answer under any thermodynamic resolution.

There is a second case, of which I am not yet entirely convinced, but has some anomalous properties I have not yet been able to explain.
And for some reason every year around June 20th, I find myself playing with it........ But that's neither here nor there....

Thermodynamics was designed by the scientific community to maintain stability on an economic standard of energy costs.
This may sound like some UFO conspiracy theory, and you probably won't believe me or think I am crazy or whatever..
but that's ok..  Thermodynamics does not control physics, it controls the way we use physics in our technologies.

It is resolved from 90some% of the equations that govern physics and mechanics when observed from a particular perspective.
It holds true in every case in which it is used, if you analyze the system by the boundaries set forth by the theorem.
There are systems to which these theories do not apply, or cannot be applied. Consider these to be "open systems".
Schools will not teach you this (with the exception of nuclear physics under certain curriculum programs).
It is forbidden by the National Accreditation System, the school will lose their accreditation.

I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that what they teach us is not correct, or not fully disclosed.
in college myself and/or other students in the class made such defiant devices as:
a drain plug with a hose and a jet nozzle that filled its own reservoir. (circa 1980's Coleman Cooler)
a Wick-Wheel, (made of paper) that used the capillary effect to turn a water wheel
a laser-phasing technique that exponentially increased the energy value of a combined beam.
a self-increasing dynamic thermal radiant event
as well as many mathematical anomalies that modern physics still has yet to resolve.

The field of magnetism, is the least understood of all physics, and while we have many equations and applications to describe the behavior
of a variety of magnetic arrangements
we cannot claim to be even close to knowing everything there is about magnetism.
the work of howard Johnson alone should raise your eyebrows about magnetic motors.
the history of H.J. actually happened. I grew up in Atlanta with parents in the AF, and family at Lockheed martin.
they flew electric jets built on his technology. silent, fast.
what happened to it after that no one knows, but he was under contract and working with their engineers

my personal experience with the issue, was an accident, resultant from a magnetic gearing design, but was not only self-sustaining, but self accelerating beyond any hope of control.

There are others who can clearly demonstrate magnetic anomalies, such as David Hamel.
our old friend Clanzer created a wonderful demonstration in a glass bowl with the activating magnet stationary above.
for all intensive purposes, it was a perpetual motion system, based on magnetic interaction (and gravity?).

I understand your education has set in stone certain fundamental principals that have held true throughout your realm of experiences.
But to claim that something is "impossible".... 
When ever has science been right about impossibilities?

heavier than air flight was impossible, reaching the bottom of the ocean was impossible, travel to space was impossible.
speed of sound, speed of light, I could go on....

There is more to this situation than most college professors will teach you. Some of them are oblivious, indoctrinated from childhood, and go on teaching without a clue.
While others know clear and well whats going on, and will tell you, but will not risk their jobs openly violating accreditation guidelines.

There are equations that govern technologies prohibited by modern physics. Most of these are held secret, not taught fully in schools.
some are taught, but only part of the situation is discussed.
Maxwell is one of the major exceptions to this. Some of his equations have escaped discretionary disclosure.,
and in them you can clearly see anomalous energy values occurring within discrete conditions.

The math that bridges the gap between thermodynamic law and pure einsteinian energy flow, is so simply elegant that one would spend a lifetime performing
the equations for no other purpose that the joy of doing so. (or to build a bomb under military contract....)

There are equations that are kept from us, Tesla, Euler, Maxwell, That explain situations not covered by the normal use of their equations.
These unlock technological potentials that could be devastating to the social structure of mankind (or so they say...)
Whatever reason they have for keeping this information from us is irrelevant, for most of the information is already available to us, and much of the unknown can be derived from the well used equations, and variations thereof.
The problem for most is comprehension, or more importantly, the broad scope of knowledge that has been meticulously segregated by degree-specific training,
necessary to build the entire puzzle.

The problem we face Mr Tinsel Kuala
is not that energy is not free..
but rather they do not WANT it to be.....


P.S.: ive watched a man in a squirrel suit (not naked) break the sound barrier off a cliff.
and create a shockwave@!
I doubt it, unless the "squirrel suit" had a jetpack attached, or the "cliff" was over 80,000 feet tall.

Well, you cover a lot of ground in that post. However.... you should know that Eric Laithwait's demonstrations were severely flawed, and that admitted he was wrong, that David Hamel did not do what he claimed to do, that CLaNZeR's demonstration did not produce a "self running magnet motor", that Howard Johnson also never made a self-running magnet motor, and etc etc. A lot of what you say is simply wrong.

Now, you've made some pretty outrageous claims in your post yourself, without providing any proof. And you've resorted to many of the usual strawman arguments.
"Heavier than air flight was impossible"... but you seem to forget that when some silly journalists said that, BIRDS and flying insects already proved the statement wrong. And so on.

Let's see some credible evidence for these claims:
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my personal experience with the issue, was an accident, resultant from a magnetic gearing design, but was not only self-sustaining, but self accelerating beyond any hope of control.
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a drain plug with a hose and a jet nozzle that filled its own reservoir. (circa 1980's Coleman Cooler)
I'll bet a cheezburger you won't be providing any.

And nothing in your post refutes my contention that the "sincere gentleman" did not have what he claimed to have (therefore his statements were false), or that there will be no self-running magnet motor coming from him or any of his erstwhile disciples (who mostly have already given up.)


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #259 on: January 23, 2016, 09:57:03 AM »


P.S.: ive watched a man in a squirrel suit (not naked) break the sound barrier off a cliff.
and create a shockwave@!


....actually millions of people have seen this .      an impossible feat yet an individual went ahead and did it and as of now it is in the past as an acheivement , for that individual it is normal.

103 years ago the best engineers proved flight was not possible , yet the Wright brothers and Richard Pearce flew 2 planes opposite sides of the planet .
...............today theres a plane every minute!!

Howard Johnson is a unique person  .  The video evidence of his rail car and motors is pretty rock solid .
not many people would dedicate a life time focussed on magnets , not many of us are going to
 
it can only be an individual to break new ground , even though there are "Laws" they are not going to stop
an individual

For sure there are definitely hoaxs , time wasters , unfortunately wasters of other peoples time , and there needs to be a sharp eye on them    (not my job  no thanks :))

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #260 on: January 23, 2016, 10:51:09 AM »
Massive
Can you repost the link you mentioned to that Howard Johnson Video from his Home ?

I would appreciate that !

Thx

Chet

note
found it thx

Massive
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Howard Johnson dedicated a large chunk of his life to magnet motor design and successfully got a patent.

"Energy from the vacuum part 4" DVD shows his linear motor and the possible thrust when designed correctly

http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/Disc4HoJo/index.html

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/1979Paper/

magnet motors are definitely a reality and achievable BUT .....itd take a super dedicated researcher or team


All the best of luck
« Last Edit: January 23, 2016, 04:27:52 PM by ramset »

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #261 on: January 23, 2016, 06:05:26 PM »


Let's see some credible evidence for these claims:I'll bet a cheezburger you won't be providing any.

And nothing in your post refutes my contention that the "sincere gentleman" did not have what he claimed to have (therefore his statements were false), or that there will be no self-running magnet motor coming from him or any of his erstwhile disciples (who mostly have already given up.)

you are probably right about this particular device, I see nothing "sincere" nor "shared" here...
Not because of any scientific "laws", but because he probably never had one fully working to begin with.


as far as the points I addressed earlier: I think you know how to calculate the pressure of a jet nozzle, with a known volume and height, aperture size, and able to calculate to what height the jet of water will fly. It's not rocket science (ok, maybe a little... but still not overly complicated).
at small volumes, the jet stream will be so thin, that no effective amount of water will be transferred.
with a large enough container, hose and nozzle designed to perform the task, the most complicated part about it is to aim the stream back into the box.
im pretty sure anyone can do it, we were just a handful of college kids that could barely write out the 3rd integral of a Feynman loop.

the whick-wheel, is irrefutably perpetual. Refuting this device must be done by talking to a tree.
 A large Sequoia would work nice for this, as they have no muscular system to lift water. E=mg(how tall are those things?)

But these things are not an "impossible magnetic motor",
they are just examples of specific cases when our scientific equations result in anomalous energy values.

a sustainable magnetic interaction is not impossible, there are equations which define such cases.
There are other unknown magnetic conditions which have not been fully experimented with, or even yet conceived.
It just seems preposterous at this point for anyone to think such an impossibility exists.
Despite them not yet having observed the contrary.


When there are multiple fields interacting, things stray from the normal linear approach, and each dipole interaction must be treated as an asymmetrical field gradient.
(Similar to the way we broke down the steps in the Tri-Force gates).
Each set of magnetic interactions must be treated separately.
There are no boundaries to the flux loop from this perspective.
energy "in" and "out" has no contextual meaning.
Interacting forces over distance(work), irrespective of time.
Time relates the energy into some value, from our outside perspective, but it does not pertain to the actual energy values inside the system. These are discrete to the field interactions.
Sure we could calculate the force, at the distance, and plot the work function over the course of a cycle, graph the changes in acceleration, elasticity of the fields, etc. and try to relate this data to our "time".
But this is not the true energy.
In truth, there is no less energy in the field interactions of magnets,
than there is in the forces bounding an electron to its' nucleic orbit at nearly the speed of light.
Its the same energy, what we observe is an accumulation of the field effects resultant from the atomic interaction.
from a certain perspective, a magnet could be described as a nuclear battery.

is it "impossible" to run a motor with a battery? what if the motor WAS the battery?
how much energy is there? how long will it run?
well, luckily for us, Mad 'am Curie left us a hint we can relate back to Einstein's E=mc^2
 
We know from signal processing that interacting fields, in certain arrangements, can build up large energy values very quickly.
purely magnetic fields can behave in a similar manner. Our current technology uses a forceful technique.
we drive things, and force induce currents.
The types of things we are trying to build use the natural cycle of energy,
 the magnets do the work for you, not the other way around.
the conditions that bound us, are our own construction flaws, and a trained 'eye' for complex magnetic fields.
we're getting better at the second one.












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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #262 on: January 23, 2016, 07:37:01 PM »

I didnt even see TK post ...... NZ is 2 hrs ahead of OZ , I went to sleep .

with out doing web search , TK is right , by memory theres a jet pack guy  vs  squirel suit/chute guy  = 2 diff guys . 1 jumps from a plane , the other jumps off cliffs .

it always looks dodgie when some one mentions a NDA , it seems to be the key ingredient in stories now but apart from that , why post anything if one has genuinely signed any contract of any kind ?
are they testing the law ?


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #263 on: January 23, 2016, 08:22:41 PM »

it always looks dodgie when some one mentions a NDA , it seems to be the key ingredient in stories now but apart from that , why post anything if one has genuinely signed any contract of any kind ?
are they testing the law ?

I believe the original "NDA issues", were whether or not to have one with whoever the information was to be disclosed to.
Although now it would seem, there is a lack of a working prototype which to disclose...


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #263 on: January 23, 2016, 08:22:41 PM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #264 on: January 24, 2016, 02:29:40 AM »
I believe the original "NDA issues", were whether or not to have one with whoever the information was to be disclosed to.
Although now it would seem, there is a lack of a working prototype which to disclose...

Yeah ! look if you have an NDA and you sign it they expect your personal info right well suppose the idea is just that your personal info, your then at risk if they dont like your thinking, i suppose .



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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #265 on: January 24, 2016, 07:01:19 AM »
Yeah ! look if you have an NDA and you sign it they expect your personal info right well suppose the idea is just that your personal info, your then at risk if they dont like your thinking, i suppose .

It certainly opens the door for identity theft and other deviant behavior.  Trust is a rare thing to find these days and it doesn't take much exploring to discover why.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #266 on: January 29, 2016, 04:08:01 AM »
Hmmmm
Seems a double dog dare scenario may be afoot...

Wishing Mack a speedy recovery !!

And just for clarity... This is NOT (yet) a double dog dare triple cheeseburger double down bet.

as outlined in the first edition "The portly Gamblers handbook "

This will be a more casual affair, since Mack is on the mend
But every bit sincere !!!

However , as outlined on page 63 paragraph 8 of "The Portly Gamblers Handbook"
In DDDTCDDB protocols ...claiment has the option of changing his submission
As long as the original intent sincerely meets all claimed criteria !


Gentlemen's rules,
No hanky panky ,Mr.hand...or other nefarious inputs will be tolerated.

We shall see ??
Chet
PS
To below "top secret" open source  snyd "insinuensive" remark

Its the word on the street ....no smoke filled rooms (Macks recovering )

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #267 on: January 29, 2016, 05:18:41 AM »
Oh? Doubling down, maybe?

It has been two and a half weeks (since Jan 11) since anyone has posted on the "Magnet motor revelation" thread on EF. And the last few posts seem to indicate that even the true believers are starting to have some questions.

Of course I suppose there could always be some Top Secret discussions happening about this "open source" project that I'm not privy to.

But in another week, month, year... there will STILL be no self running magnet motor coming from Mack or anyone of his disciples. And I'll add another prediction: nobody will have the sincere gentlemanly integrity to admit that they were wrong all along and I am right, and I still won't get my cheezburger. But they'll all just fade away, stop posting, and the thread(s) will sink without even a trail of bubbles, like so many have done already. 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #268 on: January 29, 2016, 12:56:34 PM »
Oh? Doubling down, maybe?

It has been two and a half weeks (since Jan 11) since anyone has posted on the "Magnet motor revelation" thread on EF. And the last few posts seem to indicate that even the true believers are starting to have some questions.

Of course I suppose there could always be some Top Secret discussions happening about this "open source" project that I'm not privy to.

But in another week, month, year... there will STILL be no self running magnet motor coming from Mack or anyone of his disciples. And I'll add another prediction: nobody will have the sincere gentlemanly integrity to admit that they were wrong all along and I am right, and I still won't get my cheezburger. But they'll all just fade away, stop posting, and the thread(s) will sink without even a trail of bubbles, like so many have done already.

Maybe, maybe not, on you tube was one of those perpetual motion things, some one had put a clip on it had a base with a shaft and a pin sticking up vertical, they also had about 1.5 inch of plastic see through tube  a long tube / stick magnet (ceramic) North one end and south the other and another magnet but shorter than the other one, all he does is stick one magnet in one end of the tube and the other one in the other end, he then mounts the plastic tube on the spike horizontally. The whole thing looks un balanced he then produces another magnet close ish to two magnets and they start to spin.

I cant find it now, very conveniently, I did copy it’s location but I have had no end of problems with this new windows 7 keeps crashing and losing stuff since I put it on 6 weeks ago, xp was far better ! such is life, but if I do come across it I will stick it one here for you all to see.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #269 on: January 30, 2016, 01:08:39 PM »
I know the one you mean, but I can't find it in my History either.

My impression was that it was another instance of the "Minato Effect", where small involuntary hand motions provide the driving power for the rotor.

You can set up a rotor with magnets on it, and use a handheld stator magnet in repulsion direction, and get the same effect. Once you get the rotor turning with the correct angle of the stator magnet, the repulsion of the magnets causes small hand motions, and your efforts to compensate and hold hand still actually wind up "pumping" the rotor and the thing will keep on spinning.

But if you mount the stator rigidly in the same position, the rotor won't keep spinning. I think this effect has fooled many people into thinking they have "found the secret" and if they only could make the right adjustment in the rigidly mounted stator .... but no, it never works.

I think this is even the principle that fooled Steorn in the early days before the failed Kinetica demonstration. It keeps cropping up as new people discover the effect. Wouldn't it be hilarious if this was Mack's original design..... it "works" when he's holding the stator magnet at the correct angle by hand .... so all the builders have to do is to adjust their rigid mounts correctly..... LOL !!




I see from reading some other thread on EF that someone has supposedly had emails from Mack... and he's told them to _stop working_ on what they have been doing because he has now come up with a new design !!   

And I hear that Santa Claus has fired all his elves and is looking to hire some new ones. An excellent benefit package, and all the cookies you can eat! (But taking care of the reindeer is part of the job description, so I dunno.... )

 

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