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Author Topic: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]  (Read 98015 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #240 on: January 20, 2016, 03:08:44 AM »
Tinsel
If your going to come in here and throw out your Sincerely Happy reminders ...
please be reminded to shut the lights off and turn down the thermostat before you leave, and be careful the door doesn't hit you in the ....Back   on the way out [it has a very strong spring thing on it from an old experiment of Stefan's  a leftover from The Omnibus Flying Smot days.

things are tight around here , the OU doesn't grow on trees....

Yet...

Well Smoky 2 says it does but that's another thread.

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Chet K

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #241 on: January 20, 2016, 11:18:49 PM »
Tinsel
If your going to come in here and throw out your Sincerely Happy reminders ...
please be reminded to shut the lights off and turn down the thermostat before you leave, and be careful the door doesn't hit you in the ....Back   on the way out [it has a very strong spring thing on it from an old experiment of Stefan's  a leftover from The Omnibus Flying Smot days.

things are tight around here , the OU doesn't grow on trees....

Yet...

Well Smoky 2 says it does but that's another thread.

respectfully
Chet K

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no stone left unturned..........

I'm going to keep doing it until somebody cries "Uncle" and admits publicly that they were wrong and that I am right. All the folks that believe(d) in Mack have been duped, and have wasted their time and efforts from the beginning, just as I told you from the very first.

I won't hold my breath waiting for apologies for all the insults that have been thrown at me by people who can't PROVE ME WRONG, though.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #242 on: January 21, 2016, 12:30:17 AM »
It may come as a big surprise , but plenty of folks find your position and assumption here highly insulting.

To come into a room full of grown men building something they feel has potential ,based on criteria which has not even been fully
clarified and then stating many of the things you said here ,will not only get you insulted in most places ,It will get
you into a dust up.

Politics ,religion ... and Magnets

always good for a brawl ....

But you already know that..... ::) 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #243 on: January 21, 2016, 03:24:17 AM »
Just for the record...I find nothing wrong with TK's position on this and, I might add, I agree with him.
Maybe, just maybe, one day he will be proven wrong if/when a real working device shows up.  Until that time,
he is 100% correct to point out the issues that these false presenters assail us with.  "I'm under an NDA" (Then why disclose anything?) "I made a working device and then took it apart and threw it away...now, I can't make another one..."  "My dog ate my homework"...etc.

So, to recap:

TK: 100%
False O.U Claimants: 0%.

So Chet, or anyone else, if you think I have this scored wrong, please correct me.  As of now, I am very confident of my numbers.

Bill

PS  If these words would start a bar fight in some circles then, I suppose some folks should not go to bars.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2016, 04:28:14 AM »
Bill
I don't think you would need a barroom to have an incident here ,The taunts would be adequate for almost any location
to encourage an insult or two at the very least.

Yes with the passing of time these assumptions would be tolerated ,however when your very first contributions are so inflammatory and assumptive so as to encourage retorts and such [speaking of Tinsels very first posts in this thread] ?

well it Begs confrontation and assumes all manner of Bad things about people whose character and intent we know nothing about ...[speaking of the early stages of this thread]

when you come in talking trash about someone ....you either have knowledge that you are privy to about that person
or you are taking huge privilege's with Due process ....

Nah ..Tinsel Begs the confrontation and then complains about the "well you already knew that" outcome.

I will never stop investigating claims about Magnet Motors or any other possible source of unknown or untapped energy
the assumption that such is not possible is amazingly arrogant and ignorant to me , Especially where it applies to Magnetism !!

and that is after all the bottom line regardless of the particular thread or claim or venue...

we just don't know what is truly possible .

No stone left unturned.

Chet






 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2016, 04:28:14 AM »
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #245 on: January 21, 2016, 08:09:46 AM »
It may come as a big surprise , but plenty of folks find your position and assumption here highly insulting.

What they, and you, SHOULD find "highly insulting" is when someone blatantly lies to you about what he has, what he has done, and etc. without providing one single trace of actual proof or evidence.

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To come into a room full of grown men building something they feel has potential ,based on criteria which has not even been fully
clarified and then stating many of the things you said here ,will not only get you insulted in most places ,It will get
you into a dust up.

Politics ,religion ... and Magnets

always good for a brawl ....

But you already know that..... ::)

When someone is presented to me as a "sincere gentleman" and it's clearly obvious to me that he's lying and will _never_ produce any evidence for his claims... I feel like brawling myself.

Suppose someone came up to you in a bar and insisted that he could jump off a ten-story building, flap his arms, quack like a duck and fly away, faster than a 777. And kept on insisting that he could do this, and even told other people he could teach them how to do it.... but he never demonstrated it, nor gave you any proof he could do it. But he carried on for weeks making the same claims and promises, and his little group of people started doing arm exercises, and running around in circles practicing quacking like ducks. And then finally he just disappeared, leaving his followers running around in circles quacking.

Why, Chet, I do believe that even YOU might not believe him, and if someone called him a "sincere gentleman" and wanted to kick you out of the bar for disbelieving him and his quacking followers ... you might come to blows yourself.

And that is pretty much the situation here. MadMack made claims to you and to everyone else, but he cannot produce what he claimed, because it is a physical impossibility. Now, if he had produced some credible evidence that he could somehow overcome hundreds of years of real physical science and the solid Conservation Laws ... then I'd be the first one to apologize, eat my hat, and never darken your door again (while running for the hills since the whole world would soon begin to fall apart because of this discovery.) But it ain't gonna happen, you know it and I know it.

So please stop "left-handed" threatening me, and face up to the fact that you, along with a bunch of other people, have been duped by your "sincere gentleman".



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when you come in talking trash about someone ....you either have knowledge that you are privy to about that person
or you are taking huge privilege's with Due process ....


Or... you know utter BS when you see it, because you know a little physics and have some experience in these matters, and you aren't afraid to say PROVE ME WRONG... because you know you aren't wrong.


Now why would people find ME insulting, when I am telling you the truth and simply challenging a claimant for evidence to the contrary, they but don't find Mack insulting when he's making his claims, telling you contradictory stuff, and not providing any evidence that he might be telling the truth? There is something seriously wrong here, and it's not _my_ attitude.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #246 on: January 21, 2016, 08:35:16 AM »
I have nothing against research and speculation, Chet. But that is not what has happened here. Someone clearly claimed to have created a self-running magnet motor, and claimed to be able to show others how to make one. This is not "research" or "speculation", it is a clear claim that something has already been accomplished. But let me remind you that absolutely NO evidence was provided that this claim is or was true. And I know that it cannot be true, and not only that, but that there are several "tells" in the story that indicate that it isn't true, regardless of the actual physics involved.

So I'm not criticizing researchers, experimenters, even "crazy" theorists here. I'm criticizing a claimant who has made an outrageous claim without providing support, and who has gotten people to do all kinds of misguided work because of it. This is "anti-research", in fact. I've even given valid suggestions for testing some of the "subclaims" experimentally, which suggestions have largely been ignored.  People still are pushing things around with their fingers, going Ohh ahhh when they see things that are actually perfectly ordinary and which have no hope of adding a single microJoule of energy to their systems beyond what they put in with their fingers.  If they want to behave in such a silly manner instead of proceeding scientifically, I'll laugh at them publicly. If they want to proceed scientifically I've got suggestions and help -- after all, I've built more than a few "magnet motors" myself and I've demonstrated how to test them using valid techniques and proper application of the Scientific Method.

I've got a pretty thick skin. Go ahead and berate me, insult me, threaten me with brawls, et cetera. None of that addresses the real problem that is making you, or other people, mad at me.  You are frustrated because deep down inside, you know I'm right and you don't want me to be.




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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #247 on: January 21, 2016, 08:37:03 AM »
TK

No one can prove you wrong because there is nothing to prove wrong. All you have done is give your OPINION of Mack and his revelation.
No different to those who have a different opinion.
Unless Mack comes back nothing can be proven.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #248 on: January 21, 2016, 08:58:06 AM »
[And that is pretty much the situation here. MadMack made claims to you and to everyone else, but he cannot produce what he claimed, because it is a physical impossibility. Now, if he had produced some credible evidence that he could somehow overcome hundreds of years of real physical science and the solid Conservation Laws ... then I'd be the first one to apologize, eat my hat, and never darken your door again (while running for the hills since the whole world would soon begin to fall apart because of this discovery.) But it ain't gonna happen, you know it and I know it. ][/quote]

TK
Can you prove this to be a physical impossibility.Please tell me where I can find the research papers/ experiments etc that conclusively prove this to be.

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #249 on: January 21, 2016, 09:17:47 AM »
[And that is pretty much the situation here. MadMack made claims to you and to everyone else, but he cannot produce what he claimed, because it is a physical impossibility. Now, if he had produced some credible evidence that he could somehow overcome hundreds of years of real physical science and the solid Conservation Laws ... then I'd be the first one to apologize, eat my hat, and never darken your door again (while running for the hills since the whole world would soon begin to fall apart because of this discovery.) But it ain't gonna happen, you know it and I know it. ]

TK
Can you prove this to be a physical impossibility.Please tell me where I can find the research papers/ experiments etc that conclusively prove this to be.

Do you also want me to cite references for my assertion that you cannot strip naked, jump off a ten story building, quack like a duck and flap your arms and fly away faster than a 777? Do you think that somehow, someday, some wild experimenter will disprove my assertion that this is a physical impossibility?
OK, I think you will probably agree with me that this is a physical impossibility, because you have lots of experience with gravity and how heavy things behave under its influence, and you know you don't have the power-to-weight ratio or the wing loading of a bird, much less a jetpowered one. So now, as the old joke goes, it's just a matter of negotiation. Where do you draw the line between "physically impossible" and "maybe possible"?

Look them up yourself. Here are some topic headings to get you started:

Laws of Thermodynamics
Conservation of Energy
Conservation of Momentum
Conservative fields of force

A self-running permanent magnet motor would violate many solidly-proven principles (call them Laws if you like) of physics. Hundreds of years of experimentation and many many thousands of research findings support these principles.

ETA: But after all, you have it backwards. It only takes one credible demonstration to prove me (and all those conservation laws) wrong. If someone can fly off the building, naked and flapping his arms, fine, let's see it happen. If someone claims to have built a permanent magnet motor that runs itself (with no machine tooling, in several variations, and simply enough to be described in words over the internet in spite of a signed NDA, yet) fine. Let him PROVE IT. Or confess that he cannot.


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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #250 on: January 21, 2016, 11:34:26 AM »
Yeah!  but who says a gadget to enable you to do just that wont exist some where and at some time in the future ! what about this > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCvbqMGPpa8

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #251 on: January 21, 2016, 11:38:50 AM »
I have nothing against research and speculation, Chet. But that is not what has happened here. Someone clearly claimed to have created a self-running magnet motor, and claimed to be able to show others how to make one. This is not "research" or "speculation", it is a clear claim that something has already been accomplished. But let me remind you that absolutely NO evidence was provided that this claim is or was true. And I know that it cannot be true, and not only that, but that there are several "tells" in the story that indicate that it isn't true, regardless of the actual physics involved.

So I'm not criticizing researchers, experimenters, even "crazy" theorists here. I'm criticizing a claimant who has made an outrageous claim without providing support, and who has gotten people to do all kinds of misguided work because of it. This is "anti-research", in fact. I've even given valid suggestions for testing some of the "subclaims" experimentally, which suggestions have largely been ignored.  People still are pushing things around with their fingers, going Ohh ahhh when they see things that are actually perfectly ordinary and which have no hope of adding a single microJoule of energy to their systems beyond what they put in with their fingers.  If they want to behave in such a silly manner instead of proceeding scientifically, I'll laugh at them publicly. If they want to proceed scientifically I've got suggestions and help -- after all, I've built more than a few "magnet motors" myself and I've demonstrated how to test them using valid techniques and proper application of the Scientific Method.

I've got a pretty thick skin. Go ahead and berate me, insult me, threaten me with brawls, et cetera. None of that addresses the real problem that is making you, or other people, mad at me.  You are frustrated because deep down inside, you know I'm right and you don't want me to be.

It really depends on what you mean by a magnetic motor, will a spinning magnet or two do ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPnxLSgnUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp9cFrZWneI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycs9zDZbdVo

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #252 on: January 21, 2016, 02:35:18 PM »
@ TK,

You can bad mouth Madmack all you want of course but the truth is some of us with more open minds learned a few things from him before he disappeared.  Several of us learned how to balance one magnets pull against another magnets push.   That has been applied to some other projects we have been working on.  As Ramset has said several times almost anything is worth at least looking at to see if it has value.  I had doubts from the very beginning about whether Madmack actually had a true magnet motor.  But I still took the time to see what he had to say and learned a few things in the process.  If everyone had always had your very closed minded attitude we would all still be riding horses and using spears and rocks to get something to eat.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #253 on: January 21, 2016, 03:18:53 PM »
Carroll
Tinsel does indeed have an open mind ...A quick peruse of his Videos shows more than enuff proof of that .
Its just that he has set limits ...places he feels comfortable jumping up onto the Bar and yelling Liar..
associates the veracity of the claim with his "Flying man" analogy ..with great confidence...


he has probably spent more time investigating these things [OU claims] than 99 % of the men on this planet.

Can we have a crystal ball for claims ...or a Tinsel Ball...?

will we stop looking... or listening to men that go out of their way to make a claim ??

I have to be very honest here...a very telling moment for me was when Mack made a statement to the effect
There I have shared it... MY mind can rest ...or peace of mind ...[something like that ]

It seemed his gate configuration showed an acceleration ... we have seen this many times and could easily assume
an MO for gain ,HOWEVER these assumptions have always proven difficult to manifest into a running closed circuit magnetic configuration  or magnet motor ...
much harder than hearding cats

Did Mack Assume ??
or is this balance which Carroll and others have sorted.. the key to another much bigger possibility ?
can we afford not to look closer and jump up on the bar and call Mack a liar ??

Is that a left hand or right hand threat Tinsel ?[maybe an eye poke...}

No stone left unturned...and I'm not throwing them [the stones]
just trying to have an open mind and an open heart .

respectfully
Chet



 

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Re: A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]
« Reply #254 on: January 21, 2016, 03:49:38 PM »
My apologies to Tinsel then for accusing him of not having an open mind.  I am still learning about the different posters on this forum.  His continual naysaying about Mack led me to a wrong conclusion about his mindset concerning the search for free energy.

@ TK,  My apologies sir for misunderstanding where you were coming from.  I have also been accused of the same thing when I was sure something was being faked.  I should have known better.

Respectfully,
Carroll

 

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