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eroutt

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linear magnetic motion effect
« on: August 13, 2015, 05:54:20 AM »
linear magnetic motion effect. L,M,M,E. is the interaction of magnetic fields, and metallic materials . a example of L,M,M,E. effects would be to take a round magnet, and a tapered metal strip and place the magnet at the smallest point of the taper. the magnet will spin forward to the end of the metal, and move back to its stopping point. here is a video of the effect at work. [/font][/size]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmjD0jD44Q


what i am trying to do with this, is find a solid state workaround to the effect.
so far i can not figure this out. it has drove me nuts for years. argh:(

MarkE

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 06:07:15 AM »
I hope that you recognize that the magnet does not manage a complete loop.  The video shows something of a variation on a SMOT without the drop.

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2015, 06:25:19 AM »
I hope that you recognize that the magnet does not manage a complete loop.  The video shows something of a variation on a SMOT without the drop.


yes the track does not. but the magnet does spine in a loop! but not forever. i never said its perpetual, or that it is free energy. just a strange effect!

SoManyWires

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2015, 06:54:03 AM »

yes the track does not. but the magnet does spine in a loop! but not forever. i never said its perpetual, or that it is free energy. just a strange effect!

can a non linear travel occur, when it is already possible to with a linear design using only permanent magnets as a source of potential energy?
this could merit further evaluations different than previous ones.






MarkE

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2015, 06:54:56 AM »

yes the track does not. but the magnet does spine in a loop! but not forever. i never said its perpetual, or that it is free energy. just a strange effect!
If you bend a couple of parallel wires into a soft "U" shape and place a wheel between them where the wheel's axle rests on the two wires, then you will get a similar effect without any magnets required.

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 07:10:53 AM »
If you bend a couple of parallel wires into a soft "U" shape and place a wheel between them where the wheel's axle rests on the two wires, then you will get a similar effect without any magnets required.


there is a toy that can do this non magnetically sure. but! its not the gravitational effect i am looking at. its the spin of the magnet and the field that i care about.

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 07:12:41 AM »
can a non linear travel occur, when it is already possible to with a linear design using only permanent magnets as a source of potential energy?
this could merit further evaluations different than previous ones.


who slow down! what? [/size]

SoManyWires

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 07:57:02 AM »

who slow down! what? [/size]

when looking at a permanent magnet rail gun that has been designed to work, the projectile gets up to
a high rate of speed.
i think somehow this can be borrowed from to create full revolutions in a loop.
even though this has yet to be proven possible as far as i'm aware.
previous attempts have failed, and some of those decided to cash in on broken promises.
though previous failed attempts did help provide some understanding useful to the builder / concept tester. 

this would involve using a rotor / stator, with the stator somehow replicating a rail guns side rail magnets positioning so the rotor allows the projectile to remain within the proper alignment as it passes through the stator magnets, and be able to have enough energy stored needed to complete the process.

just looking at how little effort is used by the person releasing the magnet at the beginning of the railgun, and seeing how fast the projectile travels using such little effort, there has to be a way to loop that somehow.

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2015, 09:54:05 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bRtEdDGIjQ

i have played with the concept model but never finished it:( it looks like it would work? if i could get a metal track made in a circular taper. just don't have the money to blow. :-\

SoManyWires

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2015, 05:59:32 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bRtEdDGIjQ

i have played with the concept model but never finished it:( it looks like it would work? if i could get a metal track made in a circular taper. just don't have the money to blow. :-\

does the track have to be metal?
plastic or wood or something else even might be easier to work with if tooling up a more ideal machine shop is presently beyond ones means in R&D without breaking the bank.


eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2015, 10:19:06 PM »
does the track have to be metal?
plastic or wood or something else even might be easier to work with if tooling up a more ideal machine shop is presently beyond ones means in R&D without breaking the bank.


you could use a electro magnet but, it would not work like metal.

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2015, 12:22:08 AM »
here is an old explanation that i drawn up! hope this clears up the concept better?

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2015, 12:31:30 AM »
the fact that the neo sphere speeds up with no downward gravity involved, and gains so much speed that it bounces back. makes me thank that if you hover the magnet over the track, the speed of spin + forward momentum will cancel out the effect of the magnet to metal attraction![/size] or something like that?

eroutt

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2015, 12:36:04 AM »
hmm? i will have to buy a neo sphere? maybe j&k magnets. or ebay? since i am finally getting payed soon ;D

SoManyWires

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Re: linear magnetic motion effect
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2015, 02:58:53 AM »
the fact that the neo sphere speeds up with no downward gravity involved, and gains so much speed that it bounces back. makes me thank that if you hover the magnet over the track, the speed of spin + forward momentum will cancel out the effect of the magnet to metal attraction![/size] or something like that?

that is an interesting theory.

its above my knowledge level even just trying to make sense of it from the illustrations i admit, being limited to a very basic understanding of magnetics.

hope the spherical magnet does not cost alot.
and that you are careful enough to never damage it if its to be expected to remain in motion.

the thin chrome surface has chipped easily on a few of the ones i've worked with.
much less durable than a ordinary bearing one would think.

who knows though, you might eventually have a actual working example so keep testing such ideas.

the best question is one that is asked.