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Title: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: magnetman12003 on August 05, 2015, 09:04:18 PM
Where is this energy coming from and what should it be called?  Do the math and go figure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xcRn-eCoOQ

Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: synchro1 on August 05, 2015, 10:49:18 PM
Where is this energy coming from and what should it be called?  Do the math and go figure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xcRn-eCoOQ

@magnetman12003,

Some of the readings are bouncing around too much to make anything out of. What do you reckon the COP at? How would the addition of a second LED array effect the input?
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
Where is this energy coming from and what should it be called?  Do the math and go figure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xcRn-eCoOQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xcRn-eCoOQ)

Oh, please. The guy is trying to use a _clamp on_ meter to measure current from a RF/HV source. This is a FAIL from the beginning.

Where is the energy coming from? From the wall. That is, the plasma ball's power supply. There is nothing unusual shown in that video... it is very common for Free Energy claimants to misuse test equipment, and/or to fail to measure RF signals properly.
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2015, 11:11:10 PM
Tinsel Speaks the truth, here is a video clip showing how badly the HF Coil affects the clamp meter, the meter shows over 200 Amperes at some points and there is not even a wire in the jaws to be measured. That clamp meter works well in most situations for DC and AC, but the HF of the 12 volt battery powered Tesla coil at about 700 khz just sends it to silly town.

The clamp meter specs should say what the accuracy of the meter is for certain frequencies.

Clamp meter false reading for HF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44M8s3UFuro
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Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: rogla on August 05, 2015, 11:58:10 PM
Oh, please. The guy is trying to use a _clamp on_ meter to measure current from a RF/HV source. This is a FAIL from the beginning.

Where is the energy coming from? From the wall. That is, the plasma ball's power supply. There is nothing unusual shown in that video... it is very common for Free Energy claimants to misuse test equipment, and/or to fail to measure RF signals properly.

Why are you talking about the wall?
From the video description: "The battery delivers 6 watts to the plasma ball."
He also wrote "...50 watt led lamp.".
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: Jimboot on August 06, 2015, 12:10:37 AM
Why are you talking about the wall?
From the video description: "The battery delivers 6 watts to the plasma ball."
He also wrote "...50 watt led lamp.".
Yep I'm with TK on that one. Been to silly town myself. The only time I saw a dmm stable around a high frequency coil is when I stuck the probes on an AV plug. That was interesting.
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: rogla on August 06, 2015, 12:27:07 AM
Yep I'm with TK on that one. Been to silly town myself. The only time I saw a dmm stable around a high frequency coil is when I stuck the probes on an AV plug. That was interesting.

Yes, me too, DMM and clamp meters don't mesure HF correctly.
But the energy is not from the wall, its from the battery....

My plasma ball is in the 20 kHz range, guess this is similar.


Ps. I did a similar experiment (used a pickup coil) and looked at the waveform on a scope. The peak volage was over 1000V with no load. But I was not able to get the current, only small caps charged to high voltage. Using earth improved the current. Tried a supercap, it charged but took days to charge. Ds.
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: TinselKoala on August 06, 2015, 12:32:12 AM
Why are you talking about the wall?
From the video description: "The battery delivers 6 watts to the plasma ball."

Thank you, I stand corrected.  I thought he was using the wall-wart instead of the battery.
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He also wrote "...50 watt led lamp.".

Uh-huh. Like this "60 Watt" LED I'm lighting up, with only one terminal contacting the secondary ..... with a clampon meter showing 3 amps, connected to nothing, and a 90 volt NE-2 with only one wire connected.  DC power in is 14V at 0.35 Amps = 4.9 Watts.

WHERE IS THIS ENERGY COMING FROM??? AND WHAT SHOULD IT BE CALLED???
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: TinselKoala on August 06, 2015, 12:54:36 AM
Yes, me too, DMM and clamp meters don't mesure HF correctly.
But the energy is not from the wall, its from the battery....

OK... how did the battery get charged?

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My plasma ball is in the 20 kHz range, guess this is similar.


Ps. I did a similar experiment (used a pickup coil) and looked at the waveform on a scope. The peak volage was over 1000V with no load. But I was not able to get the current, only small caps charged to high voltage. Using earth improved the current. Tried a supercap, it charged but took days to charge. Ds.

Sorry, I just get really irate when people look at ordinary RF/HV phenomena and try to claim some "free energy" coming out of toy plasma globes from WalMart.

(I see that you probably aren't one of those people, so please don't think I'm complaining about you.)

I just made a little demonstration video of my own. Nobody accuses _me_ of showing overunity or free energy from these devices. I wonder why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cv4XF4FV6w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cv4XF4FV6w)
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: magnetman12003 on August 06, 2015, 03:18:04 AM
Oh, please. The guy is trying to use a _clamp on_ meter to measure current from a RF/HV source. This is a FAIL from the beginning.

Where is the energy coming from? From the wall. That is, the plasma ball's power supply. There is nothing unusual shown in that video... it is very common for Free Energy claimants to misuse test equipment, and/or to fail to measure RF signals properly.
I am powering the plasma ball with a 12 volt battery.  Not a wall wort.  All the hi frequency AC power the ball is emoting has been rectified to DC voltage and current.  That's what I am reading.  I am not measuring any hi frequency AC at all! 
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: rogla on August 06, 2015, 04:56:18 AM
To the question "Where is the energy coming from? ",
in a MIT study about a led with 230% more energy in emmited photons than electrical input the answer was:
 "The extra energy came instead from lattice vibrations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon)."

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09/230-percent-efficient-leds (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09/230-percent-efficient-leds)
Edit: This link is better: http://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html

Ok, low power and not electrical OU, but still intresting.
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: Jimboot on August 06, 2015, 06:02:07 AM



WHERE IS THIS ENERGY COMING FROM??? AND WHAT SHOULD IT BE CALLED???


Kevin
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: pomodoro on August 07, 2015, 12:58:33 PM
If you had the oscillator without the plasma, you will get the same sort of crazy measurements. Anything with RF or high voltage spikes requires special measurement techniques experience and appropriate equipment. Its a trap for young and old players. Power factor is another common trap.
Title: Re: PLASMA POWER VIDEO
Post by: synchro1 on August 07, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
If you had the oscillator without the plasma, you will get the same sort of crazy measurements. Anything with RF or high voltage spikes requires special measurement techniques experience and appropriate equipment. Its a trap for young and old players. Power factor is another common trap.

He should be able to light a second "Plasma Ball" with the output from the first, then daisy chain them to Tipperary and back!