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Author Topic: Honti/Pataki Wind mill  (Read 10009 times)

Offline lancaIV

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Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« on: October 12, 2006, 02:13:41 AM »
Hello gyula,
there are two hungarian people,Akos Honti and Szilard Pataki,
which received 1995 for their wind mill invention a special award by
the YEER-org(Jugend forscht) !
+300% more efficiency compared with conventional wind mills !
There was also an article about them in the "P(eter).M(osleitner).-Magazin",
in Germany something like the "Popular Mechanics" in the U.S.A. !

Akos Honti : Scolnoki ut 51, 2510 Dorog       
Szilard Pataki,Kolozsvari u.30, 2509 Esztergom-Kertvaros

Could you,please,ask them about the idea to publicate a DIY-model-plan
in the overunity.com-site !

Sincerely
            Lanca

                         

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Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« on: October 12, 2006, 02:13:41 AM »

Offline buzneg

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 03:22:15 AM »
the windmills now take about 30% of the power out of wind, don't they? so 100% more power then that takes 60% power out the wind which means 300% more would be 120% of the winds power, and that would be an overunity claim.

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 03:45:19 AM »
Hello buzneg,
mathematical I have to agree ,
the wind mills convert,average,in the 30% range(Betz-Limit:59%)!

This "+300%" are from the P.M.-magazin-article,
recitating "Messungen ergaben eine Steigerung der Energieausbeute um 300 Prozent",
we do not know their (P.M.)basic number !

YEER.org-Thomas Schneider comment(Hamburg,den 4.Sept.1997):
"Die in dem PM-Text genannte "Steigerung der Energieausbeute um 300 Prozent"
bezieht sich (leider) nicht auf den aktuellen Stand der Technik.sondern auf Referenzwerte,die die beiden Nachwuchsforscher in einem wohl aelteren ungarischen
Lehrbuch gefunden haben."

S
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p.s.:entering the patent-archive and searching for Lebost-inventions
« Last Edit: October 12, 2006, 04:19:46 AM by lancaIV »

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 03:45:19 AM »
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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 09:59:30 AM »
Hi Lanca,

Ok, I will try to contact them and see what comes.
Unfortunately I have not heard about them at all.

Gyula

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 05:16:45 PM »
what's it look like? anything like this?
http://opensourceenergy.org/txtlstvw.aspx?LstID=99b82ae5-287f-4bb4-868d-2a44417a564b

or does it have a newer design?

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 08:17:31 PM »
The Honti/Pataki wind mill is also a vertical axis turbine,
but with more moving parts !

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2006, 03:58:01 PM »
Hi Lanca,

I managed to find and talk to Mr Pataki only, Mr Honti's whereabouts are unknown.

Well, they both were high school students in 1995 and  Mr Pataki did not work on the wind turbine since then, after finishing high school he turned to computertechnics, he has no interests in windmills any more.

They built the wind turbine model with the help of their high school physics teacher and tested a small model in wind tunnel measurements. Mr Pataki remembers the test results showed about a 30% efficiency and this was compared to an average 10% conventional wind turbine efficiency found in a textbook back then.
Probably this is the reason the journalist of P.M. magazine wrote about the 300%...

The teacher and his two students filed a patent application on their wind engine and the number is HU862U.

Mr Pataki sent me a PDF file of Heft 2/1996 STROMTHEMEN magazine where they were also spoken of in page 6, see the article ("Mit Windrad Erfolg bei Jugendwettbewerb"). And there is also a photo of their small wind turbine model, you can see the vertical axis indeed. I attached this file below.

That is all I could help in this topic.

Regards
Gyula

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Re: Honti/Pataki Wind mill
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2006, 03:09:11 AM »
Hello gyula,
many thanks for your work !

I saw  this photo also in the P.M.-magazine,
and know also about their HU-patent,
but it is image-less !

This "Stromthemen"-article is very critical about the potentials,
but their basic numbers are over-sophisticated=not common !
By the coast-line yearly wind mill performance average,32-50mtr. tower high,
is normally in the 27% range,
land-inside this goes down to the 10% range !

Instead a 10% p.a. conversion to reach 30% p.a. is a technical-physical success !
But this has to be approved !

Sincerely
            de Lanca

 

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