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Author Topic: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago  (Read 76880 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #285 on: July 31, 2015, 05:43:41 AM »
Thousands of people have hooked up every instrument you can think of to these machines to do every kind of testing. We also use them for other purposes than energy as well. But yes, obviously. Our customers are from every walk of life. From every kind of professor, electrical, mechanical engineer, the military, the biggest companies, to Joe Shmo hobbyist. These people often buy several machines over several years and they are satisfied with what they are using them for. I provide a service to people who ask for these things. I never started this because I had an idea to sell anything. People on forums cursed me out because I did not provide kits for them so eventually I did. I figured out everything I needed and wanted to know within 6 months of research. Then because people asked for something I gave them exactly what they asked for. They asked for seconds and thirds and more and more people asked. So don't give me this attitude as if I'm pushing something or preying upon people. Again, I'm not here to try and prove something to people with attitudes. You don't believe it fine. I have the right to provide a service to people who are interested. My friend who is the owner of this website if I am not mistaken welcomes my work and my announcement of these meetings. So I think your continuous hostility is unjustified and appears to be evidence of other motivation.
So that is a big no on anyone connecting a power analyzer and finding that they think your machines are overunity as you claim?  You have every right to put on any kind of show that you like.  Where one runs into problems is when one makes claims that are false.  You do not dispute that when you claim to have "overunity systems" that means you have systems that output more energy than they consume.  Since that is something that no one has ever successfully delivered the chances of your claims being true are very low.  I have patiently and clamly offered you the opportunity to clarify your claims so that there will be no misunderstanding between you and anyone who pays admission to your show.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #286 on: July 31, 2015, 02:31:51 PM »
I guess you can't read.

So that is a big no on anyone connecting a power analyzer and finding that they think your machines are overunity as you claim?  You have every right to put on any kind of show that you like.  Where one runs into problems is when one makes claims that are false.  You do not dispute that when you claim to have "overunity systems" that means you have systems that output more energy than they consume.  Since that is something that no one has ever successfully delivered the chances of your claims being true are very low.  I have patiently and clamly offered you the opportunity to clarify your claims so that there will be no misunderstanding between you and anyone who pays admission to your show.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #287 on: July 31, 2015, 03:18:08 PM »
I get my energy from the vacuum.

People have privately done their own tests. People don't need other people to prove something to them. They actually use the technology daily. Why do you need a meter to tell you what you use daily? We use meters for testing (and look at many things for different reasons) but I think you guys misunderstand how the energy works. You suppose that people are saying there is a magical device that produces x amount of watts that can or can't be measured by some analyzer. But the fact is that the our machines are relative to the load they are used with. There is no standard output because the load is half of the process. And if we are talking about batteries being charged then the rate of charge will depend on the size, voltage and condition of the batteries. The larger the bank being charged the more charge will take place if they are not needing to be rejuvenated. When we think of regular motors and generators we look at the machines themselves and see what goes in or out of them. Here we are looking at all the parts to see the total output of the entire system. In many cases yes, attempting to place a meter between the batteries and motor could result in damaging the meter or filtering the process. We don't believe the energy flows according to standard theories so it is not expected to see much of a flow from the motors to the batteries. That is not important as much as putting your meters on the batteries after they are charged and then discharging them over time. That is easy to do. Or in the case of many of our motors we rotate them back and forth for months or years. If the energy flow from the motor into the batteries is shown to be very little, yet the batteries get charged at a much faster rate than is expected, then we realize that something else is charging the batteries. This the skeptics will never bother to look into because they just want to control their research in such a way as to prove their own preconceived theories. They want to only put their meters in one place and look for electron flow. They want a five minute demonstration. And we have several of those for them as well. So they can see a motor first being run off a battery while charging a battery as in the basic system. Then they can see the battery powering the motor being charged and energy going back into the circuit while the charging battery continues to charge. This is happening while a bunch of large 100W and smaller LEDs are being powered with and without zero point energy. People put their meters between the bulbs and the source and cannot figure it out. They put them anywhere they want and are always amazed. You can say what you wish but the batteries are charging the whole time the motor runs, and a lot of work gets done at the same time. We also have other demonstrations that power loads that are without batteries which are part of the show.

No, you dodged the question. A proper answer would look something like this:

"Yes, a team led by P. Eng. Whatshisname used a Clarke-Hess power analyzer on the QEG device presented by Rubbertales in August 2013 and made a full report which you can read at this link: Etc. etc."

That is, you provide a proper credible reference that can be checked, so that we have confidence that the instrument was used properly and gave repeatable results.
Personally, I have _never_ seen such a report of proper instrument use from any free-energy claimant, and I've seen a lot of claims. So why don't you give us some checkable details of one of those many many such cases you know about.

I know why, and so do you.

Meanwhile you still haven't answered MY questions. Where do you get your electricity for your home and laboratory? Where do the "overunity" claimants get their electricity?  Is there _anyone_ that you know of who powers their home and/or laboratory, using any of the "overunity" or "free energy" devices that will be demonstrated, or have been demonstrated, at any of your events?

Are you still connected to your local electricity grid, or not, Rick Friedrich?  What percent of your own electrical needs are supplied by "Zero Point Energy" or any of the "free energy" devices you claim exist? What reduction in your utility bills have you experienced yourself from using these devices?

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #287 on: July 31, 2015, 03:18:08 PM »
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Offline memoryman

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #288 on: July 31, 2015, 03:33:26 PM »
All your talk about how skeptics (maybe some but not me or Mark) do this and that, is standard labeling.
Measure Joules in and out; that will give you the answer. IF there are more Joules out than in, look for the source.
Which one of these OU inventors is running their house/business off the grid?

Offline MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #289 on: July 31, 2015, 07:23:56 PM »
I get my energy from the vacuum.

People have privately done their own tests. People don't need other people to prove something to them. They actually use the technology daily. Why do you need a meter to tell you what you use daily? We use meters for testing (and look at many things for different reasons) but I think you guys misunderstand how the energy works. You suppose that people are saying there is a magical device that produces x amount of watts that can or can't be measured by some analyzer. But the fact is that the our machines are relative to the load they are used with. There is no standard output because the load is half of the process. And if we are talking about batteries being charged then the rate of charge will depend on the size, voltage and condition of the batteries. The larger the bank being charged the more charge will take place if they are not needing to be rejuvenated. When we think of regular motors and generators we look at the machines themselves and see what goes in or out of them. Here we are looking at all the parts to see the total output of the entire system. In many cases yes, attempting to place a meter between the batteries and motor could result in damaging the meter or filtering the process.
So it is your claim that at least in some cases your machines will not work because they are being measured?  How many nA/V current burden in the voltage measurements does it take to start "filtering the process"?  How many mV/A voltage burden in the current measurements does it take to start "filtering the process"?
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 We don't believe the energy flows according to standard theories so it is not expected to see much of a flow from the motors to the batteries. That is not important as much as putting your meters on the batteries after they are charged and then discharging them over time. That is easy to do. Or in the case of many of our motors we rotate them back and forth for months or years. If the energy flow from the motor into the batteries is shown to be very little, yet the batteries get charged at a much faster rate than is expected, then we realize that something else is charging the batteries. This the skeptics will never bother to look into because they just want to control their research in such a way as to prove their own preconceived theories. They want to only put their meters in one place and look for electron flow. They want a five minute demonstration.  And we have several of those for them as well. So they can see a motor first being run off a battery while charging a battery as in the basic system. Then they can see the battery powering the motor being charged and energy going back into the circuit while the charging battery continues to charge. This is happening while a bunch of large 100W and smaller LEDs are being powered with and without zero point energy. People put their meters between the bulbs and the source and cannot figure it out. They put them anywhere they want and are always amazed. You can say what you wish but the batteries are charging the whole time the motor runs, and a lot of work gets done at the same time. We also have other demonstrations that power loads that are without batteries which are part of the show.
Yes it is a show.  No such tests fail to establish overunity or energy delivered to the batteries from some outside source such as the quantum vacuum.  If one wishes to establish that there is surplus energy, then one needs a test that reliably compares a DUT to a control.  Where the stored energy capacity of the battery is much greater than the external energy yielded during the test or demonstration, the accounting relies on the accuracy of the state of charge measurements.  The greater the ratio the greater the sensitivity to even small errors in the state of charge measurement.  Reliable measurements draw the batteries down to full discharge, IE 1.33V/cell at 0.1C for lead acid.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #289 on: July 31, 2015, 07:23:56 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #290 on: August 01, 2015, 12:14:45 AM »
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I get my energy from the vacuum.

Hilarious! I dare you to post an image of your last month's electric bill.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #291 on: August 01, 2015, 06:37:35 PM »
Hello rickfriedrich. Are any of the products you are selling supposed to be over unity?
If so, which products? Is your '4 Pole Mini DualPolar Magnet Motor' over unity?
All the best...

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
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Offline pomodoro

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #292 on: August 02, 2015, 06:14:14 AM »
The 100W LED is misleading , you should be using real bulbs, as those suckers really need 100W. The real test for such a system is not 5 minutes but many hours. If the claims are true, the system will run for months, till the battery malfunctions. This systems reminds me of Bedini's motor, which no one seems to be able to replicate properly.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #293 on: August 02, 2015, 06:29:45 AM »
Hilarious! I dare you to post an image of your last month's electric bill.

haha

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #294 on: August 02, 2015, 11:39:06 AM »
The 100W LED is misleading , you should be using real bulbs, as those suckers really need 100W. The real test for such a system is not 5 minutes but many hours. If the claims are true, the system will run for months, till the battery malfunctions. This systems reminds me of Bedini's motor, which no one seems to be able to replicate properly.
John Bedini whom Rick Friedrich used to work with has been making similar claims going back to at least the early 1980s.  It does not seem that anyone has ever been able to make one of these machines obviate the need for their local power utility.  Some forms of over unity must be more over unity than others.  They have been able to make large and expensive desulfanating lead acid battery chargers out of them.  But they always seem to eventually require recharge of the batteries using a conventional charger connected to the power utility.

 

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