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### Author Topic: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours  (Read 48729 times)

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #240 on: August 13, 2015, 10:31:39 AM »
MarkE and TK has once again violated the principal of cause and effect!  They have violated the principle of sequence of an analysis of the phenomenon or the process being described. Newton's first law of dynamics states, “Every body continues in its state of rest, or of uniform motion in a straight line, unless it is compelled to change this state by forces impressed upon it”.  In this statement, we see at once a violation of the principle of the cause and effect relationships.

Any motion is a result of a net force, but it is missing in Newton’s first law; there is no mathematical model of this law, which describes its constant movement in space, but a body ignores it and moves with constant velocity V. The discrepancies being described are a cause of a violation of the principle of sequence of an analysis of the phenomenon or the process being described. This principle requires a description of the process or the phenomenon from its very beginning, not from the middle.

In order to return the principle of the cause and effect relationships into the former Newtonian dynamics, it is necessary to put the law of the accelerated motion of a body to the first place.  As a result, we’ll get a new dynamics. In order to differentiate it from the old dynamics, Kanarev calls it “Mechanodynamics”.

Gravock
Funny isn't it then that Newtonian mechanics work just fine up until we get to relativistic speeds?  You can keep preaching BS as long and in as loud a voice as you like.  If you can't find situations where your proposed ideas generate correct answers and Newtonian mechanics don't, then your ideas are in deep trouble.

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #240 on: August 13, 2015, 10:31:39 AM »

#### minnie

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #241 on: August 13, 2015, 10:49:47 AM »

Nice to see some "down to earth" input from the old eucalyptus browser.
In the end we'll probably settle on a good old spring for our oscillator.
John.

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #242 on: August 13, 2015, 10:51:43 AM »
Funny isn't it then that Newtonian mechanics work just fine up until we get to relativistic speeds?  You can keep preaching BS as long and in as loud a voice as you like.  If you can't find situations where your proposed ideas generate correct answers and Newtonian mechanics don't, then your ideas are in deep trouble.

Another false assertion by you.  Newtonian mechanics work just fine at relativistic speeds.  So, it is your ideas which are in deep trouble, and not mine.  The measured wavelength and the real wavelength of the photon differ by a factor of c2. This is because the linear motion of the photon stretches the spin wavelength. The linear velocity is c, of course, and the circular velocity approaches 1/c. The difference between the two is c2.  Energy, like velocity, is a relative measurement. A quantum with a certain energy has that energy only relative to us, since it has its velocity only relative to us. If the wavelength has to be multiplied by c2 in order to match it to our measurements, then the mass or mass equivalence will also. Hence, the equation E = mc2.  In this way, c2 is not a velocity or a velocity squared, it is a velocity transform. It tells us how much the wavelength is stretched, and therefore how much the mass and energy are stretched, due to the motion of the object.

The kinetic energy equation, like the equation E = mc2, always included the spin energy, but you apparently have never recognized that.  Just as with the photon, all matter has a wavelength (see de Broglie), and the wavelength is determined by the spin.  As the linear velocity increases, the spin velocity relative to the linear velocity decreases, by a factor of 1/v. This makes the difference between the linear velocity and the spin velocity v2. The term v2 transforms the local wavelength into the measured wavelength.

Gravock

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #242 on: August 13, 2015, 10:51:43 AM »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #243 on: August 13, 2015, 11:22:34 AM »
Another false assertion by you.  Newtonian mechanics work just fine at relativistic speeds.  So, it is your ideas which are in deep trouble, and not mine.  The measured wavelength and the real wavelength of the photon differ by a factor of c2. This is because the linear motion of the photon stretches the spin wavelength. The linear velocity is c, of course, and the circular velocity approaches 1/c. The difference between the two is c2.  Energy, like velocity, is a relative measurement. A quantum with a certain energy has that energy only relative to us, since it has its velocity only relative to us. If the wavelength has to be multiplied by c2 in order to match it to our measurements, then the mass or mass equivalence will also. Hence, the equation E = mc2.  In this way, c2 is not a velocity or a velocity squared, it is a velocity transform. It tells us how much the wavelength is stretched, and therefore how much the mass and energy are stretched, due to the motion of the object.

The kinetic energy equation, like the equation E = mc2, always included the spin energy, but you apparently have never recognized that.  Just as with the photon, all matter has a wavelength (see de Broglie), and the wavelength is determined by the spin.  As the linear velocity increases, the spin velocity relative to the linear velocity decreases, by a factor of 1/v. This makes the difference between the linear velocity and the spin velocity v2. The term v2 transforms the local wavelength into the measured wavelength.

Gravock
LOL.  That's quite the salad you've tossed.

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #243 on: August 13, 2015, 11:22:34 AM »

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #244 on: August 13, 2015, 11:37:32 AM »
LOL.  That's quite the salad you've tossed.

This salad was prepared from a good tree, the tree of life (truth), and is good to eat.  Why do you continue to eat from a poisonous tree, a tree of false knowledge and lies. It is you who have tossed the salad, and not me.  You should taste it before tossing it out.  However, it will probably taste bitter to you, for you have put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Gravock

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #244 on: August 13, 2015, 11:37:32 AM »

#### minnie

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #245 on: August 13, 2015, 10:21:34 PM »

gravityblock,
if you've sorted relativistic wave equations, good on you!!
The thing now is how do you change the world?
John.

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #246 on: August 14, 2015, 02:09:11 AM »
@minnie
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The thing now is how do you change the world?

One step at a time...preferably moving forward. Which raises the question how can we move forward if we are stuck in the past?. I think one scholar had it right, we do not move forward because a new idea is truly accepted we we move forward when those who oppose new idea's grow old and die. So yes it is a waiting game of sorts and much of the nonsense debated here will be debated in the future in the same light as those in the past. Stupid old men debating antiquated concepts by whale oil lamp dictating notes with a quill ink pen... and we are them only the context has changed.

The thing to remember is that while you and I may believe we may understand many things within the context of our ever so short existence here, 85 years give or take, it is but a drop in the ocean. As well some may believe our children can do no better but intuitively we know they will... they will do impossible things we cannot even imagine.

So we should enjoy our own ignorance while we can because those little devil's we call our children will not be buying into our stupidity. I can see that little twinkle in there eye... that same twinkle I had so many years ago when I knew my father was a genius compared to most but I had learned more new things than he would ever know.

So yes have fun with it but do not believe our ignorance will prevail in the future, it is but a stepping stone to greater things we cannot imagine. The trick here is imagining what they might before they do which means your not behind the learning curve but slightly ahead of it...progress. It should be understood that in this day and age with the exponential growth of knowledge growing as it is if your not moving forward learning new things at a fantastic rate your actually falling behind. At which point we might add a little of Einsteins relativity to the equation. If mankind's understanding is moving forward growing at an exponential rate and we are not moving forward at all then where do you think we will be relative to them next year?.  My only answer is...Lost in transition.

AC
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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #246 on: August 14, 2015, 02:09:11 AM »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #247 on: August 14, 2015, 05:16:33 AM »
@minnie

One step at a time...preferably moving forward. Which raises the question how can we move forward if we are stuck in the past?. I think one scholar had it right, we do not move forward because a new idea is truly accepted we we move forward when those who oppose new idea's grow old and die. So yes it is a waiting game of sorts and much of the nonsense debated here will be debated in the future in the same light as those in the past. Stupid old men debating antiquated concepts by whale oil lamp dictating notes with a quill ink pen... and we are them only the context has changed.

The thing to remember is that while you and I may believe we may understand many things within the context of our ever so short existence here, 85 years give or take, it is but a drop in the ocean. As well some may believe our children can do no better but intuitively we know they will... they will do impossible things we cannot even imagine.

So we should enjoy our own ignorance while we can because those little devil's we call our children will not be buying into our stupidity. I can see that little twinkle in there eye... that same twinkle I had so many years ago when I knew my father was a genius compared to most but I had learned more new things than he would ever know.

So yes have fun with it but do not believe our ignorance will prevail in the future, it is but a stepping stone to greater things we cannot imagine. The trick here is imagining what they might before they do which means your not behind the learning curve but slightly ahead of it...progress. It should be understood that in this day and age with the exponential growth of knowledge growing as it is if your not moving forward learning new things at a fantastic rate your actually falling behind. At which point we might add a little of Einsteins relativity to the equation. If mankind's understanding is moving forward growing at an exponential rate and we are not moving forward at all then where do you think we will be relative to them next year?.  My only answer is...Lost in transition.

AC
How about evaluating ideas on the basis of reliable evidence?

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #248 on: August 14, 2015, 02:49:32 PM »
@Mark E
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How about evaluating ideas on the basis of reliable evidence?

What is evidence?, I know many people in the oil patch who were driving so drunk that when the cops stopped them they literally fell out of there truck. They never received a fine, no jail time and they were driving the next month. They told me they were guilty as hell but their expensive lawyers could show evidence that apparently ... they were not guilty?...go figure.

You see there is no reliable evidence when anyone can simply change the context of the facts to suit their own beliefs or interests. Evidence is always open to interpretation by those who have something to gain from their own interpretation. So while your "reliable evidence" scenario sounds good in theory I have found it seldom works as planned in reality. Your reliable evidence theory is simply not reliable, lol.

AC

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #248 on: August 14, 2015, 02:49:32 PM »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #249 on: August 14, 2015, 03:01:35 PM »
@Mark E

What is evidence?, I know many people in the oil patch who were driving so drunk that when the cops stopped them they literally fell out of there truck. They never received a fine, no jail time and they were driving the next month. They told me they were guilty as hell but their expensive lawyers could show evidence that apparently ... they were not guilty?...go figure.

You see there is no reliable evidence when anyone can simply change the context of the facts to suit their own beliefs or interests. Evidence is always open to interpretation by those who have something to gain from their own interpretation. So while your "reliable evidence" scenario sounds good in theory I have found it seldom works as planned in reality. Your reliable evidence theory is simply not reliable, lol.

AC
Is is straw man Friday?  What on earth do the inequities of the legal system have to do with scientific inquiry?

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #250 on: August 14, 2015, 04:18:16 PM »
@MarkE
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Is is straw man Friday?  What on earth do the inequities of the legal system
have to do with scientific inquiry?
People... obviously.
Science and scientific inquiry will always rely on the perspectives and interpretations of observations by people. I understand some may like to portray science as an all knowing all seeing entity in itself not unlike a religion to serve their interests however it is simply a process. This forum is a perfect example and it boggles the mind that so many could have such different views of a simple equation such as F=mA.
There is also that little issue of 47% of scientists who have falsified data or know someone who has in the past... so what is reliable evidence again?. You see it's hard to believe in reliable evidence and the purists view of scientific inquiry when we see almost one half of the scientific community is effectively making up shit as they go along. 47% is a pretty big number Mark... what do you think of that?, I find it incredible.

AC

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #250 on: August 14, 2015, 04:18:16 PM »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #251 on: August 14, 2015, 04:24:41 PM »
@MarkEPeople... obviously.
Science and scientific inquiry will always rely on the perspectives and interpretations of observations by people. I understand some may like to portray science as an all knowing all seeing entity in itself not unlike a religion to serve their interests however it is simply a process. This forum is a perfect example and it boggles the mind that so many could have such different views of a simple equation such as F=mA.
There is also that little issue of 47% of scientists who have falsified data or know someone who has in the past... so what is reliable evidence again?. You see it's hard to believe in reliable evidence and the purists view of scientific inquiry when we see almost one half of the scientific community is effectively making up shit as they go along. 47% is a pretty big number Mark... what do you think of that?, I find it incredible.

AC
You really need to get a grip on the scientific method and how it specifically works to detach research from human foibles of bias and prejudice.  If someone falsifies data, then such things eventually come to light when others attempt to reproduce the faker run into discrepancies.

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #252 on: August 14, 2015, 05:28:38 PM »
@MarkE
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You really need to get a grip on the scientific method and how it
specifically works to detach research from human foibles of bias and prejudice.
If someone falsifies data, then such things eventually come to light when others
attempt to reproduce the faker run into discrepancies.

I think I have a pretty good idea of how it is supposed to work as well as how it doesn't in reality. For instance I read a pretty comical article a while back concerning the peer review process. A researcher presented a paper for review and a few years later it was found that there was conflicting data presented. Then when the researcher was questioned he said his thesis was not the paper in question but another paper showing that the peer review process was fundamentally flawed because very few papers are read and even less actually verified... brilliant. The researcher essentially wrote a paper in which everything was fabricated and substantiated by a prior paper in which everything was also fabricated. Not unlike many accepted theories which are also based on a foundation of quicksand.

It would seem the process is inherently flawed and many "scientists" are recieving large grants and investment funds based on nothing but vaporware. It sounds very much like pseudo-science in my opinion. Obviously the real issue here is not science but people who have bought into the religion of professionalism and credibility rather than hard facts which are proven beyond all shadow of doubt. You see I cannot believe you Mark for the same reasons you do not believe others because what your implying lacks credibility in light of the facts.

AC

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #253 on: August 14, 2015, 08:10:55 PM »
@MarkE
I think I have a pretty good idea of how it is supposed to work as well as how it doesn't in reality. For instance I read a pretty comical article a while back concerning the peer review process. A researcher presented a paper for review and a few years later it was found that there was conflicting data presented. Then when the researcher was questioned he said his thesis was not the paper in question but another paper showing that the peer review process was fundamentally flawed because very few papers are read and even less actually verified... brilliant. The researcher essentially wrote a paper in which everything was fabricated and substantiated by a prior paper in which everything was also fabricated. Not unlike many accepted theories which are also based on a foundation of quicksand.

It would seem the process is inherently flawed and many "scientists" are recieving large grants and investment funds based on nothing but vaporware. It sounds very much like pseudo-science in my opinion. Obviously the real issue here is not science but people who have bought into the religion of professionalism and credibility rather than hard facts which are proven beyond all shadow of doubt. You see I cannot believe you Mark for the same reasons you do not believe others because what your implying lacks credibility in light of the facts.

AC
With billions of humans on the planet there will always be exceptions.  Those exceptions tend to prove the rule of just how well the scientific method actually works.  Look around you at the technology advancement of the past: 5/10/20/50/100 years.  If the scientific method were doing a poor job of filtering out mistakes and fraud, technology development would have stumbled rather than accelerated.  When was the last time that we had an embarrassment along the lines of "Q Rays"? BTW the scientific method caught "Q Rays".

It is the more speculative areas where hard data is difficult to obtain and hypotheses are difficult to verify where controversy exists for protracted periods.  That is not a failing of the scientific method.  It is in fact the scientific method that will ultimately resolve such controversies.  Politics enters where large sums of money get involved and decisions affecting those sums of money will be made before adequate reliable data can be obtained.

I don't ask people to "believe me".  I present what I understand as the facts and others are free to take exception.  Ultimately, using the scientific method: reliable data arbitrates the truth and what I think / argue or what anyone else thinks / argues doesn't matter.

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #254 on: August 14, 2015, 08:13:57 PM »
Well said AC, and it can be summed up in two words, "willful ignorance"

Willful Ignorance:

The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguments because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs, and/or to forward a hidden agenda.

Gravock