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Author Topic: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours  (Read 46641 times)

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #270 on: August 15, 2015, 12:43:19 AM »
Perhaps you would be good enough to describe the "Travis Effect" and how it represents anything other than ordinary buoyancy.

Reducing the volume of air by 40, has the same lifting force.  This doesn't represent ordinary buoyancy as currently accepted.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #271 on: August 15, 2015, 12:50:39 AM »
You are free to try and find any authoritative reference that claims as you do that F=mA is conditional on V <> 0.  Or you can pick-up any physics primer and find that no such restriction is imposed.

If this isn't making an appeal to the authorities, then I don't know what is.  This is your logical fallacy, and not ours!

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #272 on: August 15, 2015, 02:11:04 AM »
@MarkE
Speaking of an appeal to authority or rather an abuse of non-existent authority on your part. You proceeded to take what I said out of context then a few posts later claim that everything Gravityblock had mentioned was a false claim despite the fact you have no tangible proof of anything either way. No offense but you seem to be proving GB's claims concerning your metal state in spades. So let me make this clear Mark... you my friend are not an authority on anything so far as I know and I do not recognize you as such until you can prove otherwise.




So if you have tangible proof of your claims show it otherwise I must reject your claims for the same reason you might reject mine. In short put up or shut up because you seem to be spamming multiple threads with incoherent gibberish just as you have accused many others of doing. I understand some might buy into your well spoken BS but I hold to the very same premise you do. Show me proof of your claims otherwise I must reject them...Period...End of debate because there is no actual debate.



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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #272 on: August 15, 2015, 02:11:04 AM »
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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #273 on: August 15, 2015, 03:45:47 AM »
@MarkE
Show me proof of your claims otherwise I must reject them...Period...End of debate because there is no actual debate.

MarkE must also show proof that gravity is an individualized force and not a combination of phenomena as below.  IMO, the "Travis effect" suggests that the gravitational force is a combination of phenomena instead of an individualized force.

1.) Pressure: As a body on or within the vicinity of the earth cannot be subject to an equal pressure in all directions, the Earth always shielding it from this pressure on one side, the body feels a difference in the forces acting upon it and falls to the surface of the Earth.  2.) Magnetism: The attraction that the vertical component of magnetism exerts on a body is, with small variations, the same as that on any other body. Thus it is that the speed of fall in a vacuum is constant. However, this attraction is not due to mass, it is caused by the magnetism with which the whole body is endowed. 3.) Temperature:  You can prove that a magnet loses its properties on being heated. As matter is made up of stationary waves, heat has a powerful influence on them. By increasing the frequency of these waves they begin to give off light.  Smoke from a cigar is heavier than the surrounding air, yet it rises as the result of warmth. That is to say the difference in density is compensated for by the temperature of the smoke.  4.) Density:  We can see that a balloon full of hydrogen gas rises, according to the volume of the gas.  That is to say, bodies of lesser density always tend to rise, in the same way that water and oil separate, due to density. Gravity does not prevent bodies of lesser density from rising. Whereas in air, which is of low density, heavy objects fall rapidly. In water, more dense than air, they fall more slowly.  Moreover, it is well known that heat reduces the density of a body. It should be noted that heat is a factor which affects gravity, not because it is itself an agent causing the phenomena of gravity, but because it influences magnetism and density.  Pressure also influences density, thus it affects gravity.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #274 on: August 15, 2015, 03:58:19 AM »
If this isn't making an appeal to the authorities, then I don't know what is.  This is your logical fallacy, and not ours!

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LOL, yes apparently you don't know what an appeal to authority is.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #275 on: August 15, 2015, 04:01:50 AM »
@MarkE
Speaking of an appeal to authority or rather an abuse of non-existent authority on your part. You proceeded to take what I said out of context then a few posts later claim that everything Gravityblock had mentioned was a false claim despite the fact you have no tangible proof of anything either way. No offense but you seem to be proving GB's claims concerning your metal state in spades. So let me make this clear Mark... you my friend are not an authority on anything so far as I know and I do not recognize you as such until you can prove otherwise.
LOL, I have never asserted that anyone must accept my conclusions based on my qualifications, or the qualifications of anyone else.
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So if you have tangible proof of your claims show it otherwise I must reject your claims for the same reason you might reject mine. In short put up or shut up because you seem to be spamming multiple threads with incoherent gibberish just as you have accused many others of doing. I understand some might buy into your well spoken BS but I hold to the very same premise you do. Show me proof of your claims otherwise I must reject them...Period...End of debate because there is no actual debate.
I have for each position I have offered pointed to the relevant evidence.  If you and/or GB want to proverbially dance around with your fingers stuck in your ears you are free to do so.
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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #276 on: August 15, 2015, 04:02:47 AM »
MarkE must also show proof that gravity is an individualized force and not a combination of phenomena as below.  IMO, the "Travis effect" suggests that the gravitational force is a combination of phenomena instead of an individualized force.

1.) Pressure: As a body on or within the vicinity of the earth cannot be subject to an equal pressure in all directions, the Earth always shielding it from this pressure on one side, the body feels a difference in the forces acting upon it and falls to the surface of the Earth.  2.) Magnetism: The attraction that the vertical component of magnetism exerts on a body is, with small variations, the same as that on any other body. Thus it is that the speed of fall in a vacuum is constant. However, this attraction is not due to mass, it is caused by the magnetism with which the whole body is endowed. 3.) Temperature:  You can prove that a magnet loses its properties on being heated. As matter is made up of stationary waves, heat has a powerful influence on them. By increasing the frequency of these waves they begin to give off light.  Smoke from a cigar is heavier than the surrounding air, yet it rises as the result of warmth. That is to say the difference in density is compensated for by the temperature of the smoke.  4.) Density:  We can see that a balloon full of hydrogen gas rises, according to the volume of the gas.  That is to say, bodies of lesser density always tend to rise, in the same way that water and oil separate, due to density. Gravity does not prevent bodies of lesser density from rising. Whereas in air, which is of low density, heavy objects fall rapidly. In water, more dense than air, they fall more slowly.  Moreover, it is well known that heat reduces the density of a body. It should be noted that heat is a factor which affects gravity, not because it is itself an agent causing the phenomena of gravity, but because it influences magnetism and density.  Pressure also influences density, thus it affects gravity.

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Welcome to fallacy dome.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #277 on: August 15, 2015, 04:06:58 AM »
Welcome to fallacy dome.

Another assertion by you with no scientific or mathematical rebuttal.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #278 on: August 15, 2015, 04:33:15 AM »
MarkE must also show proof that gravity is an individualized force and not a combination of phenomena as below.  IMO, the "Travis effect" suggests that the gravitational force is a combination of phenomena instead of an individualized force.

1.) Pressure: As a body on or within the vicinity of the earth cannot be subject to an equal pressure in all directions, the Earth always shielding it from this pressure on one side, the body feels a difference in the forces acting upon it and falls to the surface of the Earth.  2.) Magnetism: The attraction that the vertical component of magnetism exerts on a body is, with small variations, the same as that on any other body. Thus it is that the speed of fall in a vacuum is constant. However, this attraction is not due to mass, it is caused by the magnetism with which the whole body is endowed. 3.) Temperature:  You can prove that a magnet loses its properties on being heated. As matter is made up of stationary waves, heat has a powerful influence on them. By increasing the frequency of these waves they begin to give off light.  Smoke from a cigar is heavier than the surrounding air, yet it rises as the result of warmth. That is to say the difference in density is compensated for by the temperature of the smoke.  4.) Density:  We can see that a balloon full of hydrogen gas rises, according to the volume of the gas.  That is to say, bodies of lesser density always tend to rise, in the same way that water and oil separate, due to density. Gravity does not prevent bodies of lesser density from rising. Whereas in air, which is of low density, heavy objects fall rapidly. In water, more dense than air, they fall more slowly.  Moreover, it is well known that heat reduces the density of a body. It should be noted that heat is a factor which affects gravity, not because it is itself an agent causing the phenomena of gravity, but because it influences magnetism and density.  Pressure also influences density, thus it affects gravity.

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Geeze.  Just glancing at your post tells me you need to take a remedial physics class.  A hydrogen balloon does not "rise" it is more proper to say that it is pushed up by the denser material surrounding it (air) until it reaches equilibrium. (a specific altitude based upon the air density)

Where are you reading this crap and why are you believing it to be true?

Pressure does not affect gravity.  Gravity is a constant, the effects of which can be influenced by a medium but it is NOT proper to say that gravity itself is influenced.  This demonstrates a less than remedial understanding of basic physics.

Thanks for showing us what you do not know.  Now I am sure I do not need to take you seriously.

Bill

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I don't mean to sound harsh.  It just gets to me when folks make claims that known physics is wrong and try to explain what really is going on without any scientific experimental proof.  Sure, "known science" is just that.  It is what is "known" at any given time.  But, to advance that knowledge or change it requires really strong scientific experimental evidence.  AC will ask who gets to decide what is real evidence?  Minnie has it correct when he said (paraphrasing) look at the technological developments that actually work based upon this "known science."  When folks claim that science is wrong, I find it funny that they are typing this on a computer, and internet system designed upon those principles that clearly demonstrates that it does indeed work.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #279 on: August 15, 2015, 04:47:45 AM »
Geeze.  Just glancing at your post tells me you need to take a remedial physics class.  A hydrogen balloon does not "rise" it is more proper to say that it is pushed up by the denser material surrounding it (air) until it reaches equilibrium. (a specific altitude based upon the air density)

Where are you reading this crap and why are you believing it to be true?

Pressure does not affect gravity.  Gravity is a constant, the effects of which can be influenced by a medium but it is NOT proper to say that gravity itself is influenced.  This demonstrates a less than remedial understanding of basic physics.

Thanks for showing us what you do not know.  Now I am sure I do not need to take you seriously.

Bill

Another inversion of the truth!  Thanks for showing us what you thought you knew, but in reality didn't know.  I hope you're not taking yourself seriously, LOL.  High resolution maps of Earth’s surprisingly inconsistent gravity field. (video)

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #280 on: August 15, 2015, 05:00:24 AM »
Another inversion of the truth!  Thanks for showing us what you thought you knew, but in reality didn't know.  High resolution maps of Earth’s surprisingly inconsistent gravity field. (video)

Gravock

Well, there are anomalies attributed to the varying density of the earth at any given point.  Gravity is a function of mass and, in various places on the earth that does indeed vary.  But, gravity, a constant, does not vary.  It is the mass that creates the gravity in the first place that is changing....although very, very little.  If it really made a difference, a satellite would change its orbit depending upon what area of the earth it was overflying at the time.  I do not believe this happens in a manner that makes any appreciable difference in the satellite's orbit.

Bill

"George P. Dvorsky is a Canadian bioethicist, transhumanist, and futurist. He is a contributing editor at io9 and producer of the Sentient Developments blog and podcast."  So, this is the fellow that made the post where you copied that map?  OK, I can clearly see where we need to through out everything known in science and believe this guy......what credentials!

Look at the sources you are using here.  I mean...really?

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #281 on: August 15, 2015, 05:12:19 AM »
Well, there are anomalies attributed to the varying density of the earth at any given point.  Gravity is a function of mass and, in various places on the earth that does indeed vary.  But, gravity, a constant, does not vary.  It is the mass that creates the gravity in the first place that is changing....although very, very little.  If it really made a difference, a satellite would change its orbit depending upon what area of the earth it was overflying at the time.  I do not believe this happens in a manner that makes any appreciable difference in the satellite's orbit.

Bill

As we can clearly see in the map and video, the density, temperature, pressure, and magnetism has an effect on the gravitational force.  This and the Travis effect are both in-line with gravity being a combination of phenomenon and not an individualized force.  The attraction that the vertical component of magnetism exerts on a body is, with small variations, the same as that on any other body. Thus it is that the speed of fall in a vacuum is constant. However, this attraction is not due to mass, it is caused by the magnetism with which the whole body is endowed.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #282 on: August 15, 2015, 05:24:30 AM »
MarkE must also show proof that gravity is an individualized force and not a combination of phenomena as below.  IMO, the "Travis effect" suggests that the gravitational force is a combination of phenomena instead of an individualized force.

1.) Pressure: As a body on or within the vicinity of the earth cannot be subject to an equal pressure in all directions, the Earth always shielding it from this pressure on one side, the body feels a difference in the forces acting upon it and falls to the surface of the Earth.

A sphere of water in micro-gravity clearly shows the internal pressure within the universe.  Water in micro-gravity, experiences an equal pressure in all directions and forms into a sphere.  The earth, always shielding a body from this internal pressure of the universe on one side, the body feels a difference in the forces acting upon it and falls to the surface of the Earth.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #283 on: August 15, 2015, 05:47:07 AM »
Bill,

The variances in the gravitational pull around the earth is much greater than originally thought.  Thus, these variances can't be attributed to mass.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #284 on: August 15, 2015, 06:13:25 AM »
The mass density of a material varies with temperature and pressure.  Increasing the pressure on an object decreases the volume of the object and thus increases its density. Increasing the temperature of a substance (with a few exceptions) decreases its density by increasing its volume.

Micro-gravity Combustion (video).  Once again, it forms into a spherical diffusion.

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