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Author Topic: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours  (Read 52654 times)

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #165 on: August 10, 2015, 09:27:33 PM »
Absent an acceleration such as due to gravity or rotation, there isn't anything to induce differential movement between the denser and less dense materials in the first place.  Once there is an acceleration, then the greater density material is subject to a greater force, and the system will naturally seek to redistribute mass going from any starting state towards the PE minimum state. 

Where the starting state is not the PE minimum state, energy can be extracted during such a traverse.  After such a traverse the PE difference between states has been lost and must be replaced to return the system to its original condition.

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Actually at that distance from the earth of an orbiting space shuttle, the gravitational force is still 90-95%.  They're in a free-fall weightless environment and not free from the gravitational force.  This satisfies the conditions as stated by AC, which is being in outer space where we have mass but no weight.  Besides, you're still inverting the effect for the cause....and inverting the direction of the force for the prime mover.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #166 on: August 10, 2015, 10:46:05 PM »
MarkE,

Actually at that distance from the earth of an orbiting space shuttle, the gravitational force is still 90-95%.  They're in a free-fall weightless environment and not free from the gravitational force.  This satisfies the conditions as stated by AC, which is being in outer space where we have mass but no weight.  Besides, you're still inverting the effect for the cause....and inverting the direction of the force for the prime mover.

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The buoyant force on a submerged object is the result of the gravitational pull on the surrounding fluid be that fluid: air, water, helium, hydrogen disulfide, or whatever counteracting the gravitational pull on the submerged object.  When the surrounding fluid density is greater than the submerged object density the net force is up.  It then takes work to displace more dense surrounding fluid up in order to submerge / further submerge the less dense object.  The surrounding fluid is indeed pushing the submerged object up.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #167 on: August 10, 2015, 11:14:46 PM »
The buoyant force on a submerged object is the result of the gravitational pull on the surrounding fluid be that fluid: air, water, helium, hydrogen disulfide, or whatever counteracting the gravitational pull on the submerged object.  When the surrounding fluid density is greater than the submerged object density the net force is up.  It then takes work to displace more dense surrounding fluid up in order to submerge / further submerge the less dense object.  The surrounding fluid is indeed pushing the submerged object up.

This is another inversion of the truth.  In this case, the greater force is the atmospheric pressure and not the gravitational force.  How convenient of you to leave out the atmospheric pressure.  This is similar to there being a greater force as we found in the blowing your own sail example.

Watch the video again.  When he lifts the tube out of the water, the atmospheric pressure forces air into the tube.  The atmospheric pressure wouldn't be able to fill the tube with air if the gravitational force on the water is greater.  The water then begins to fall out of the tube at the rate the tube is being filled with air by the atmospheric pressure.  If the gravitational force on the water is the greater force, then we wouldn't see the tube filling up with air, and all of the water would fall out of the tube at nearly the same time at the acceleration rate of gravity (it would be like turning a full glass of water with no lid upside down).  You have inverted the effect for the cause, and you have inverted the direction of the force for the prime mover.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #167 on: August 10, 2015, 11:14:46 PM »
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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #168 on: August 10, 2015, 11:31:59 PM »



 Atmospheric pressure is gravity-so put that in yer pipe and smoke it!!!
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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #169 on: August 10, 2015, 11:36:27 PM »


 Atmospheric pressure is gravity-so put that in yer pipe and smoke it!!!
        John.

Like I said, this is similar to there being a greater force as we found in the blowing your own sail example.  And, why can't the atmospheric pressure be anti-gravity also under the right conditions?  The pressure at the bottom of the tube has a greater force pointing up than the pressure at the top of the tube that is pointing down.  Call it whatever you like, but it doesn't change what it is, which is a pressure differential.  You just have to get the direction of the greater force right.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!  Oh, and don't drink the bong water, LOL.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #170 on: August 11, 2015, 12:21:18 AM »
Here's a video demonstration showing how to lift an object really high with very little input energy.  And it uses the atmospheric pressure and a vacuum to do so.  Oh, and a perfect vacuum isn't necessary.  How does this not qualify as a reaction-less drive?

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Wouldn't it be easier to just lift up the screw rather than lift up a big column water so the screw can float up ?

Of course if there is a column of water stuff that floats will umm... float up in it. wow.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #171 on: August 11, 2015, 12:31:00 AM »
At 1m50s of the video we can see a convex shape formed at the boundary between the water and the air.  If the water is being displaced as the air is rising in the tube by a greater force from below, then we'll see a convex shape formed at the boundary, and this is what we see.  The air is rising in the tube by the greater atmospheric pressure from below, and the water forms a convex as it's being displaced by the rising air.


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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #172 on: August 11, 2015, 12:37:18 AM »
Wouldn't it be easier to just lift up the screw rather than lift up a big column water so the screw can float up ?

This has nothing to do with what method is the easiest to lift up the screw.  This has to do with motion without inertia through phase displacement.  Wow, you really missed the boat, ROFLMAO!

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #173 on: August 11, 2015, 01:13:23 AM »
Of course if there is a column of water stuff that floats will umm... float up in it. wow.

The buoyancy was just enough to float the screw.  If you submerged this float under a column of water, it won't float up as you suggested....unless there is a pressure differential.  You missed the boat once again!

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #174 on: August 11, 2015, 02:31:54 AM »
This is another inversion of the truth.  In this case, the greater force is the atmospheric pressure and not the gravitational force.
LOL, and what sets the atmospheric pressure hot shot? Oh, that would be the weight IE the gravitational force on the air.
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  How convenient of you to leave out the atmospheric pressure.  This is similar to there being a greater force as we found in the blowing your own sail example.

Watch the video again.  When he lifts the tube out of the water, the atmospheric pressure forces air into the tube.  The atmospheric pressure wouldn't be able to fill the tube with air if the gravitational force on the water is greater.  The water then begins to fall out of the tube at the rate the tube is being filled with air by the atmospheric pressure.  If the gravitational force on the water is the greater force, then we wouldn't see the tube filling up with air, and all of the water would fall out of the tube at nearly the same time at the acceleration rate of gravity (it would be like turning a full glass of water with no lid upside down).  You have inverted the effect for the cause, and you have inverted the direction of the force for the prime mover.
LOL.  Are you trying to compete with MM in some sort of crackpot competition?  The water and everything else in the local environment is subject to the surrounding air pressure caused by the force of gravity on the atmosphere from the local elevation on up.
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« Reply #175 on: August 11, 2015, 02:43:16 AM »
LOL, and what sets the atmospheric pressure hot shot? Oh, that would be the weight IE the gravitational force on the air.LOL.  Are you trying to compete with MM in some sort of crackpot competition?  The water and everything else in the local environment is subject to the surrounding air pressure caused by the force of gravity on the atmosphere from the local elevation on up.

Like I have said for the third time, this is similar to there being a greater force as we found in the blowing your own sail example.  And, why can't the atmospheric pressure be anti-gravity also under the right conditions?  The pressure at the bottom of the tube has a greater force pointing up than the pressure at the top of the tube that is pointing down.  Atmospheric pressure from below is a way to distinguish it from the gravitational force from above.  Call it whatever you like, but it doesn't change what it is, which is a pressure differential in this case.  You just have to get the direction of the greater force right.


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« Reply #176 on: August 11, 2015, 03:00:26 AM »
LOL, and what sets the atmospheric pressure hot shot? Oh, that would be the weight IE the gravitational force on the air.LOL.

Actually, a vacuum, the weather, such as hurricanes, warm/cold fronts, and an ionization of the air can change the atmospheric pressure locally.  How convenient of you to leave out these other factors (this is a pattern from you).  Does this mean the gravitational force was changed or set locally by a change in atmospheric pressure Mr. Hot Shot?  LOL!

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« Reply #177 on: August 11, 2015, 03:22:21 AM »
If it wasn't for the vacuum, the float with the screw wouldn't rise to the top of the tube because there would be equal pressure on all sides of it.  The vacuum represents a local change in the pressure, thus we can't use the gravitational force to represent this local change in pressure.  This is common sense, and to think otherwise is to be a crackpot as MarkE is.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #178 on: August 11, 2015, 03:30:57 AM »
Actually, a vacuum, the weather, such as hurricanes, warm/cold fronts, and an ionization of the air can change the atmospheric pressure locally.  How convenient of you to leave out these other factors (this is a pattern from you).  Does this mean the gravitational force was changed or set locally by a change in atmospheric pressure Mr. Hot Shot?  LOL!

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So what do you get if you prove yourself more of a crackpot than MM?

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« Reply #179 on: August 11, 2015, 03:33:50 AM »
So what do you get if you prove yourself more of a crackpot than MM?

Right or wrong, I'm not looking to receive anything.  There has been a lot of famous scientists in the past who were called crack pots in their time, and they were proven to be correct many years later.  The reverse has occurred also.

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