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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #150 on: August 10, 2015, 11:49:46 AM »
I already knew the answer prior to my posting.  It has to do with displacement.  Aristotle got it right when he said  “… the celestial matter (bodies) has a propensity to restore force which it needs to sustain the steadiness of motion”.  There is no motion by inertia, but there’s illusion of it. The illusion of motion by inertia is maintained by the presence of phase displacement, proceeds with constant speed and in a state of inner quiescence (synchronicity). If phase displacement is eliminated, the motion stops.

The object moving to the top of the tube proceeds with constant speed and synchronicity due to phase displacement.  The object moving to the top doesn't do so by inertia or friction.

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LOL, the float rises because the water falls.  The water is viscous.  From the instant that the float is released allowing the water to start falling around it, the viscous drag quickly matches the inertia limited acceleration due to gravity and the speed quickly stabilizes.  It is ordinary, text book kinematics.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #151 on: August 10, 2015, 11:51:31 AM »
LOL, so you think you see non-inertial behavior in that video do you?  Well you go right ahead and point to what behavior in that video you think is non-inertial.  Do you think the system does lose GPE as the float rises do you?  Well, let's see buckaroos:  When the float is at the bottom the center of gravity is higher than when the float is at the top.  Since the total mass does not change, that means that the initial condition has the greater GPE, ergo the GPE decreases, ergo the system loses energy as the float rises.  QED.

LOL, you have it inverted.  The screw converts its KPE as it rises into GPE.  The system loses no energy as the float rises.  How convenient of you to leave out KPE.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2015, 12:17:29 PM »
LOL, the float rises because the water falls.  The water is viscous.  From the instant that the float is released allowing the water to start falling around it, the viscous drag quickly matches the inertia limited acceleration due to gravity and the speed quickly stabilizes.  It is ordinary, text book kinematics.

The float rises because it displaces the water and not the other way around.  The float pushes the water out of the tube as it rises, which is the restoring force needed to sustain it's motion.  Once again, you have the process inverted, LOL.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2015, 12:44:40 PM »
MarkE,

According to you, the water isn't allowed to fall and displace the screw until the screw is first released.  You're putting the effect before the cause.......and if you would put your text books to the side, then you would realize how you're putting the cart before the horse, ROFLMAO.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #154 on: August 10, 2015, 01:57:45 PM »
LOL, you have it inverted.  The screw converts its KPE as it rises into GPE.  The system loses no energy as the float rises.  How convenient of you to leave out KPE.

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LOL.  Ignore reality all you want. Water loses GPE, pushes on the float, the float gains KE AND GPE during the rise and ultimately loses KE.  The system loses net GPE as the center of gravity falls throughout the process.  When the process is done the float has expended all KE gained during the upward traverse, and the column has lost GPE.  You are free to dispute by showing your work.  The floats rate of ascent is initially limited by the inertia of the float and the water.  As the ascent gains speed it is further limited by viscous drag.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2015, 02:00:31 PM »
MarkE,

According to you, the water isn't allowed to fall and displace the screw until the screw is first released.  You're putting the effect before the cause.......and if you would put your text books to the side, then you would realize how you're putting the cart before the horse, ROFLMAO.

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LOL. 
Q. What keeps the water from falling?  A. The float that as long as it is held at the bottom.
Q. When does the water start falling.  A. As soon as it can push the float upward.




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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2015, 02:07:38 PM »
LOL.  Ignore reality all you want. Water loses GPE, pushes on the float, the float gains KE AND GPE during the rise and ultimately loses KE.  The system loses net GPE as the center of gravity falls throughout the process.  When the process is done the float has expended all KE gained during the upward traverse, and the column has lost GPE.  You are free to dispute by showing your work.  The floats rate of ascent is initially limited by the inertia of the float and the water.  As the ascent gains speed it is further limited by viscous drag.

So, the water pushes on the float, and the float moves against the push.....<-------Good luck pushing this idea.  ROFLMAO!!!!  It is you who is ignoring reality and not me.  Another psychological projection from you.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2015, 02:11:33 PM »
So, the water pushes on the float, and the float moves against the push.....<-------Good luck pushing this idea.  ROFLMAO!!!!  It is you who is ignoring reality and not me.  Another psychological projection from you.

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This is all elementary text book physics you are resisting.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2015, 02:19:39 PM »
This is all elementary text book physics you are resisting.

I know physics according to the text books, and I rejected those books based on bad information.  I'm not the one who is holding onto those text books and resisting from letting them go.  Can you think for yourself, or do you need someone to tell you what to think?  That's exactly what you have done.  You have given this corrupted system of things the power to do your thinking for you, and without even questioning what your being taught.  A mindless robot!  What a way to be, LOL.

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« Reply #159 on: August 10, 2015, 02:43:53 PM »
I know physics according to the text books, and I rejected those books based on bad information.  I'm not the one who is holding onto those text books and resisting from letting them go.  Can you think for yourself, or do you need someone to tell you what to think?  That's exactly what you have done.  You have given this corrupted system of things the power to do your thinking for you, and without even questioning what your being taught.  A mindless robot!  What a way to be, LOL.

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If you wish to try and assert unaccepted ideas about physics then it is your burden to prove those ideas are correct.

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« Reply #160 on: August 10, 2015, 02:54:48 PM »
If you wish to try and assert unaccepted ideas about physics then it is your burden to prove those ideas are correct.

The widely accepted ideas have all come from the same source, which is TPTB.  You should question this single source, since there is very strong evidence they don't have our best interest in mind.  You accepted the ideas being taught by TPTB (blind faith), so why didn't you place the burden on them to prove those ideas in which they are teaching?  The burden of proof is on me, but not on TPTB.....LOL.  Actually the burden of proof is on yourself and not anyone else.  Don't place your responsibility off onto someone else.  Also, stop projecting your faults and shortcomings off onto other people.

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« Reply #161 on: August 10, 2015, 03:45:33 PM »
The widely accepted ideas have all come from the same source, which is TPTB.  You should question this single source, since there is very strong evidence they don't have our best interest in mind.  You accepted the ideas being taught by TPTB (blind faith), so why didn't you place the burden on them to prove those ideas in which they are teaching?  The burden of proof is on me, but not on TPTB.....LOL.  Actually the burden of proof is on yourself and not anyone else.  Don't place your responsibility off onto someone else.  Also, stop projecting your faults and shortcomings off onto other people.

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LOL.  Accepted science has a huge body of evidence backing it.  That is how it came to be accepted.  If you wish to offer credible challenge to that, then bring strong evidence of your own.  Crackpot conspiracy theories do not science make.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #162 on: August 10, 2015, 04:18:40 PM »



 gravityblock I can see where you're coming from, now.
  You'll have to follow Theoriapophasis and write your own
 books and put the wrong things right.
  Sometime in the future maybe a student will query your
 work, who knows?
   I'm so fascinated with discovering this stuff, I'd never
  even heard of phonons 'till a few months ago.
    I had no idea how much more there was to be researched,
  there's still a long long way to go and unfortunately I won't
  last long enough to see much of it
             John.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #163 on: August 10, 2015, 06:46:12 PM »
@Gravityblock
Concerning the float in the tube video, it cannot work a shown because when the float reaches the top of the tube it must be removed. When we remove the float at the top there will be a void where the float was and this is the water which was displaced which must be replaced to make a continuous cycle. It is unworkable as shown in my opinion unless we can change the context of how and why cause and effect take place.


That being said a change in context may produce a change in the outcome so long as there is a meaningful change in the properties of the system. Which begs the question how do we change the system in a meaningful way?. Unfortunately most cannot even begin to grasp what is required because the solution must be different and it is often very abstract and non-intuitive.


So how do we remove the float at the top of the tube?, if we were in outer space where things have mass but no weight then we could easily remove the float and replace the water which was displaced with almost no work involved in the process. Thus it would seem obvious to me the property which we need to change in the system is the construct of weight which is actually quite easy.


Consider the properties of the system at ground level and then in outer space then reproduce the properties of outer space as needed at ground level. I will let this roll around in our minds for a while and see if anyone here can find the solution before I give it to you.


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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #164 on: August 10, 2015, 07:16:50 PM »
@Gravityblock
Concerning the float in the tube video, it cannot work a shown because when the float reaches the top of the tube it must be removed. When we remove the float at the top there will be a void where the float was and this is the water which was displaced which must be replaced to make a continuous cycle. It is unworkable as shown in my opinion unless we can change the context of how and why cause and effect take place.


That being said a change in context may produce a change in the outcome so long as there is a meaningful change in the properties of the system. Which begs the question how do we change the system in a meaningful way?. Unfortunately most cannot even begin to grasp what is required because the solution must be different and it is often very abstract and non-intuitive.


So how do we remove the float at the top of the tube?, if we were in outer space where things have mass but no weight then we could easily remove the float and replace the water which was displaced with almost no work involved in the process. Thus it would seem obvious to me the property which we need to change in the system is the construct of weight which is actually quite easy.


Consider the properties of the system at ground level and then in outer space then reproduce the properties of outer space as needed at ground level. I will let this roll around in our minds for a while and see if anyone here can find the solution before I give it to you.


AC
Absent an acceleration such as due to gravity or rotation, there isn't anything to induce differential movement between the denser and less dense materials in the first place.  Once there is an acceleration, then the greater density material is subject to a greater force, and the system will naturally seek to redistribute mass going from any starting state towards the PE minimum state. 

Where the starting state is not the PE minimum state, energy can be extracted during such a traverse.  After such a traverse the PE difference between states has been lost and must be replaced to return the system to its original condition.

 

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