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Author Topic: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours  (Read 53362 times)

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #135 on: August 10, 2015, 06:08:10 AM »
Here's a video demonstration showing how to lift an object really high with very little input energy.  And it uses the atmospheric pressure and a vacuum to do so.  Oh, and a perfect vacuum isn't necessary.  How does this not qualify as a reaction-less drive?

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #136 on: August 10, 2015, 06:29:11 AM »
Anyone with half a brain can see that MarkE didn't do the calculations according to the process described in the hypothetical.  Yeah, thank MarkE for giving us a false visualization of the hypothetical process.  What a way to be, lol.  I did say MarkE was going to draw the wrong visualization before he even posted any calculations.  How did I know that?  Because it's easy enough to work out the finer details in your head without even resorting to any kind of math.

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LOL, then show your work.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #137 on: August 10, 2015, 06:35:56 AM »
LOL, then show your work.

LOL, you did my work for me.  You showed in your calculations how you conventionally ignored the process described in the hypothetical.  In addition to this, your own words on several occasions also showed how you ignored the process described.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #138 on: August 10, 2015, 07:03:12 AM »
Here's a video demonstration showing how to lift an object really high with very little input energy.  And it uses the atmospheric pressure and a vacuum to do so.  Oh, and a perfect vacuum isn't necessary.  How does this not qualify as a reaction-less drive?

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Yes, given the chance water does fall down around lighter objects.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #139 on: August 10, 2015, 07:06:27 AM »
LOL, you did my work for me.  You showed in your calculations how you conventionally ignored the process described in the hypothetical.  In addition to this, your own words on several occasions also showed how you ignored the process described.

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LOL, You can choose to show your work or not.  So far it is not.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #140 on: August 10, 2015, 07:06:54 AM »
Yes, given the chance water does fall down around lighter objects.

Can you please clarify what you're saying yes to.  Are you saying it does qualify as a reaction-less drive, or are you saying it does not qualify as a reaction-less drive?

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #141 on: August 10, 2015, 07:10:07 AM »
LOL, You can choose to show your work or not.  So far it is not.

Sure, I'll write a computer program that is in-line with the process described in the hypothetical.  I'll let you review the source code.  Do you know how to code MarkE?  I think I'll write it in assembly language.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #142 on: August 10, 2015, 08:19:17 AM »
Can you please clarify what you're saying yes to.  Are you saying it does qualify as a reaction-less drive, or are you saying it does not qualify as a reaction-less drive?

Gravock
LOL, you are of course joking.  The video demonstrated that water that has been lifted up by expending work falls right back down given the chance.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #143 on: August 10, 2015, 08:20:58 AM »
Sure, I'll write a computer program that is in-line with the process described in the hypothetical.  I'll let you review the source code.  Do you know how to code MarkE?  I think I'll write it in assembly language.

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You are welcome to present whatever you want, obfuscated however you like. 

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #144 on: August 10, 2015, 08:32:43 AM »



   gravityblock you've been a bit "lost" with a few of your latest analogies.
   Maybe you can program computers but just think hard as to why the
   little screw floats up the tube. Just use known science to work out the
   metronomes.
     I agree that with a "hypothetical" case you can bend the rules if you
    want to.
       Can "dogma" exist as it used to in these days of rapid communication
    between the more or less whole population of the world? The brightest
    minds get to cast their "eagle eyes" over all this stuff.
       I love this forum because it's not censored to death, everyone has their
    own ideas and the reader can choose to follow a contributor or not as the
    reader chooses.
             John.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #145 on: August 10, 2015, 08:48:55 AM »
LOL, you are of course joking.  The video demonstrated that water that has been lifted up by expending work falls right back down given the chance.

This isn't about the water being lifted by expending work and falling back down when given the chance.  This is about an object moving without inertia.  If you claim it's moving by inertia, then you must show where and how the object itself is releasing energy to do so.  And, you must show that the system has lost energy by moving the object to the top.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #146 on: August 10, 2015, 08:55:56 AM »
You are welcome to present whatever you want, obfuscated however you like.

The computer program will give a much better visual. Also, much easier to show more than 2 rocks being thrown from the boat, which doesn't really give much more of a visual than without the calculations.  Also, the parameters can be easily changed to run different variations, so we can compare your wrong visual to the correct visual of the hypothetical.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #147 on: August 10, 2015, 09:11:41 AM »


   gravityblock you've been a bit "lost" with a few of your latest analogies.
   Maybe you can program computers but just think hard as to why the
   little screw floats up the tube. Just use known science to work out the
   metronomes.
     I agree that with a "hypothetical" case you can bend the rules if you
    want to.
       Can "dogma" exist as it used to in these days of rapid communication
    between the more or less whole population of the world? The brightest
    minds get to cast their "eagle eyes" over all this stuff.
       I love this forum because it's not censored to death, everyone has their
    own ideas and the reader can choose to follow a contributor or not as the
    reader chooses.
             John.

Just because it's a hypothetical thought experiment, doesn't mean it's bending the rules.  Who's to say the hypothetical couldn't be done in a real life experiment.  The momentum issue could be solved along with the position for the source of rocks in a controlled environment.  Mythbusters successfully canceled the forward and backwards momentum of shooting a soccer ball from a moving truck, and it wasn't even done in a controlled environment.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #148 on: August 10, 2015, 10:04:37 AM »
   gravityblock you've been a bit "lost" with a few of your latest analogies.
   Maybe you can program computers but just think hard as to why the
   little screw floats up the tube.
Just use known science to work out the
   metronomes.

I already knew the answer prior to my posting.  It has to do with displacement.  Aristotle got it right when he said  “… the celestial matter (bodies) has a propensity to restore force which it needs to sustain the steadiness of motion”.  There is no motion by inertia, but there’s illusion of it. The illusion of motion by inertia is maintained by the presence of phase displacement, proceeds with constant speed and in a state of inner quiescence (synchronicity). If phase displacement is eliminated, the motion stops.

The object moving to the top of the tube proceeds with constant speed and synchronicity due to phase displacement.  The object moving to the top doesn't do so by inertia or friction.

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Re: 'Impossible' rocket drive works and could get to Moon in four hours
« Reply #149 on: August 10, 2015, 11:43:08 AM »
This isn't about the water being lifted by expending work and falling back down when given the chance.  This is about an object moving without inertia.  If you claim it's moving by inertia, then you must show where and how the object itself is releasing energy to do so.  And, you must show that the system has lost energy by moving the object to the top.

Gravock
LOL, so you think you see non-inertial behavior in that video do you?  Well you go right ahead and point to what behavior in that video you think is non-inertial.  Do you think the system doesn't lose GPE as the float rises do you?  Well, let's see buckaroos:  When the float is at the bottom the center of gravity is higher than when the float is at the top.  Since the total mass does not change, that means that the initial condition has the greater GPE, ergo the GPE decreases, ergo the system loses energy as the float rises.  QED.

 

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