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Author Topic: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research  (Read 26875 times)

ramset

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Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« on: July 26, 2015, 01:10:09 AM »

Here I would like to discuss Gov't laws suppressing OUR researchers around the globe,  What do we know about this and how legal are these laws ??
also for discussion here are some other Odd laws which I actually have a hard time believing exist. One such example is posted below
from member Turion at Energetic forum

 
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Keep away from the Aliens!

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This really doesn't belong on an energy forum, but it was so interesting I just had to post it SOMEWHERE. Why do we need laws on the books in this country prohibiting us from contact with aliens and allowing the government to inprison us without due process for contact with aliens if aliens do not exist. Just a thought...

On 5 October 1982, Dr. Brian T. Clifford of the Pentagon announced at a press conference (The Star, New York, 5 October 1982) that contact between U.S. citizens and extra-terrestrials or their vehicles is strictly illegal. According to a law already on the books (Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, adopted on 16 July 1969, before the Apollo moon shots), anyone guilty of such contact automatically becomes a wanted criminal to be jailed for one year and fined U.S. $5,000. The NASA administrator is empowered to determine, with or without a hearing, that a person or object has been "extra-teirestrially exposed" and impose an indeterminate quarantine under armed guard, which could not be broken even by court order. There is no limit placed on the number of individuals who could thus be arbitrarily quarantined. The definition of "extra-terrestrial exposure" is left entirely up to the NASA administrator, who is thus endowed with total dictatorial powers to be exercised at his slightest caprice, which is completely contrary to the Constitution.
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from discussion here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20206-keep-away-aliens.html



To Be clear I am very interested in what we can find out about Gov't suppression of technologies that would end this Horrible Global warming   ::) as well as these oil wars and endless battles .

please contribute whatever you can
respectfully
Chet K
 

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 01:22:20 AM »
Here I would like to discuss Gov't laws suppressing OUR researchers around the globe,  What do we know about this and how legal are these laws ??
also for discussion here are some other Odd laws which I actually have a hard time believing exist. One such example is posted below
from member Turion at Energetic forum

 
Turion
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Keep away from the Aliens!

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This really doesn't belong on an energy forum, but it was so interesting I just had to post it SOMEWHERE. Why do we need laws on the books in this country prohibiting us from contact with aliens and allowing the government to inprison us without due process for contact with aliens if aliens do not exist. Just a thought...

On 5 October 1982, Dr. Brian T. Clifford of the Pentagon announced at a press conference (The Star, New York, 5 October 1982) that contact between U.S. citizens and extra-terrestrials or their vehicles is strictly illegal. According to a law already on the books (Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, adopted on 16 July 1969, before the Apollo moon shots), anyone guilty of such contact automatically becomes a wanted criminal to be jailed for one year and fined U.S. $5,000. The NASA administrator is empowered to determine, with or without a hearing, that a person or object has been "extra-teirestrially exposed" and impose an indeterminate quarantine under armed guard, which could not be broken even by court order. There is no limit placed on the number of individuals who could thus be arbitrarily quarantined. The definition of "extra-terrestrial exposure" is left entirely up to the NASA administrator, who is thus endowed with total dictatorial powers to be exercised at his slightest caprice, which is completely contrary to the Constitution.
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from discussion here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20206-keep-away-aliens.html



To Be clear I am very interested in what we can find out about Gov't suppression of technologies that would end this Horrible Global warming   ::) as well as these oil wars and endless battles .

please contribute whatever you can
respectfully
Chet K
LOL, good luck finding actual documentation to support that conspiracy theory.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-1999-title14-vol5/pdf/CFR-1999-title14-vol5-part1211.pdf

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 02:20:14 AM »
LOL, good luck finding actual documentation to support that conspiracy theory.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-1999-title14-vol5/pdf/CFR-1999-title14-vol5-part1211.pdf

The Code of Federal Regulations of the United States of America (Digitized by Google)


Title 14, Section 1211

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 02:56:48 AM »
Gravock your reference is out of date, from 1970. The reference that MarkE cited is the _current law in effect now_ direct from the Government Printing Office's website. The entire Section 1211 was revoked by NASA in 1977 and removed entirely from the CFR in 1991.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra-Terrestrial_Exposure_Law
http://www.snopes.com/legal/et.asp

And as is explained, the law never did forbid anyone having contact with ET, especially if they came in their own spacecraft. You simply needed to submit to a quarantine after having such contact.

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2015, 03:30:48 AM »

The Code of Federal Regulations of the United States of America (Digitized by Google)


Title 14, Section 1211

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So you think that now revoked regulation when it was in effect supports the conspiracy theory that Ramset alleges?  Do you think that it made contact with extraterrestrials illegal as Ramset alleges?

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2015, 05:18:05 AM »
So you think that now revoked regulation when it was in effect supports the conspiracy theory that Ramset alleges?  Do you think that it made contact with extraterrestrials illegal as Ramset alleges?

Yes, I think the now reserved regulation when it was in effect supported the statements made by Dr. Brian T. Clifford at a press conference in 1982 as posted by Ramset.  I'm also in agreement with Dr. Clifford that it made contact with extraterrestrials illegal.  I also agree that this law violated the Constitution.

A snippet of section 1211:

3.)  Determine that a particular person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed and quarantine such person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever.  The quarantine may be based only on a determination with or without the benefit of a hearing that there is probable cause to believe that such person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed.

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2015, 05:41:35 AM »
Yes, I think the now reserved regulation when it was in effect supported the statements made by Dr. Brian T. Clifford at a press conference in 1982 as posted by Ramset.
How so given that the regulation never made contact with aliens illegal, and that the statute had not been in effect for over five years when Clifford allegedly made his comments?
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  I'm also in agreement with Dr. Clifford that it made contact with extraterrestrials illegal.  I also agree that this law violated the Constitution.
Then kindly point to the language you assert makes contact with extraterretrials illegal.
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A snippet of section 1211:

3.)  Determine that a particular person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed and quarantine such person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever.  The quarantine may be based only on a determination with or without the benefit of a hearing that there is probable cause to believe that such person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially exposed.

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Yes, so what?  Where does it state that such contact is prohibited in any way?

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2015, 06:35:43 AM »
How so given that the regulation never made contact with aliens illegal, and that the statute had not been in effect for over five years when Clifford allegedly made his comments?Then kindly point to the language you assert makes contact with extraterretrials illegal.Yes, so what?  Where does it state that such contact is prohibited in any way?

NASA ended the lunar quarantine 5 years prior, which was always at NASA's discretion according to 1211.  However, section 1211 remained written into law until 1991.  NASA, the Department of Health, Welfare, or the Department of Agriculture could quarantine anyone or anything at their discretion according to section 1211, and without a hearing to show probable cause of being extra-terrestrially exposed at any time prior to 1991 (National Security).  Other governmental agencies, besides NASA, had the authority to quarantine an extra-terrestrially exposed person or object under section 1211.

A violation of section 1211 could result in a fine up to $5000 and 1 year imprisonment, or both.   At the earliest practical time, each person who is quarantined shall be given a reasonable opportunity to communicate by telephone with legal counsel or other persons of his choice.

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2015, 07:23:33 AM »
Will they imprison Stephen Hawking for setting up the 100 million $ reward for discovering alien life? Can we be sure he hasn't been contacted already? I seem to recall that Tesla believed his parents were aliens or something. They didn't lock him up but the government sure found a way to essentially imprison him by having him die a poor man in a hotel where he couldn't prosper from his creativity and knowledge. But they made darn sure to swoop in and take all his notes the moment he died. Nice of them to look out for him like that. Like vultures.

What concerns me even more is how the US is able to classify patents as well, "classified" if they want to. So if you really have a great energy patent idea, chances are that it'll never see the light of day if you don't want to go to jail. 

Edward Leedskalnin mentions in his book for us not to try to build a generator with his idea because he has already filed for a patent. I have never been able to find that patent.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 11:19:30 AM by MagnaProp »

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2015, 08:21:00 AM »
NASA ended the lunar quarantine 5 years prior, which was always at NASA's discretion according to 1211.  However, section 1211 remained written into law until 1991.  NASA, the Department of Health, Welfare, or the Department of Agriculture could quarantine anyone or anything at their discretion according to section 1211, and without a hearing to show probable cause of being extra-terrestrially exposed at any time prior to 1991 (National Security).  Other governmental agencies, besides NASA, had the authority to quarantine an extra-terrestrially exposed person or object under section 1211.

A violation of section 1211 could result in a fine up to $5000 and 1 year imprisonment, or both.   At the earliest practical time, each person who is quarantined shall be given a reasonable opportunity to communicate by telephone with legal counsel or other persons of his choice.

Gravock
You have in multiple attempts completely failed to support Ramset's assertions.  You have not shown where in the statute it made contact with aliens illegal.  That's because it never did.  The sections you have quoted do not show anywhere that when the statute was in force that contact with aliens was illegal.  The statute is entirely enclosed by its intent to ensure that anyone who does contact matter from beyond earth does not inadvertently expose the earth to some horrific microbe or virus.

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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2015, 08:56:42 AM »
You have in multiple attempts completely failed to support Ramset's assertions.  You have not shown where in the statute it made contact with aliens illegal.  That's because it never did.  The sections you have quoted do not show anywhere that when the statute was in force that contact with aliens was illegal.  The statute is entirely enclosed by its intent to ensure that anyone who does contact matter from beyond earth does not inadvertently expose the earth to some horrific microbe or virus.

Wrong!  The statue goes beyond what is highlighted in bold above.  The other governmental agencies can quarantine an extra-terrestrially exposed person, except for NASA personnel or NASA property involved in any space mission (paragraph a and c below).  In addition to this, the statute says in paragraph b:

b)  Extraterrestrially exposed means the state or condition of any person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever who or which has: 1) Touched directly or come within the atmospheric envelope of any celestial body; or 2) Touched directly or been in close proximity to or been exposed to any person, property animal other form of life (my comment: an alien visitor qualifies as "other form of life" who has touched directly and who has come within the atmospheric envelope of another celestial body...end of comment) or matter who or which has been extraterrestrially exposed virtue of subparagraph (1) of this paragraph.




a)  If either the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, or the Department of Agriculture exercises its authority to quarantine an extraterrestrially exposed person, property, animal, or other form of life or matter whatever, NASA will, except as provided in paragraph c of this section, not exercise the authority to quarantine that same person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever.  In such cases NASA will offer to these departments the use of the Lunar Receiving Laboratory Quarantine Station and such other service equipment personnel and facilities as may be necessary to ensure an effective quarantine.
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c)  NASA shall quarantine NASA astronauts and other NASA personnel as determined necessary and all NASA property involved in any space mission.

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM »
Wrong!  The statue goes beyond what is highlighted in bold above.  The other governmental agencies can quarantine an extra-terrestrially exposed person, except for NASA personnel or NASA property involved in any space mission (paragraph a and c below).  In addition to this, the statute says in paragraph b:

b)  Extraterrestrially exposed means the state or condition of any person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever who or which has: 1) Touched directly or come within the atmospheric envelope of any celestial body; or 2) Touched directly or been in close proximity to or been exposed to any person, property animal other form of life (my comment: an alien visitor qualifies as "other form of life" who has touched directly and who has come within the atmospheric envelope of another celestial body...end of comment) or matter who or which has been extraterrestrially exposed virtue of subparagraph (1) of this paragraph.




a)  If either the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, or the Department of Agriculture exercises its authority to quarantine an extraterrestrially exposed person, property, animal, or other form of life or matter whatever, NASA will, except as provided in paragraph c of this section, not exercise the authority to quarantine that same person property animal or other form of life or matter whatever.  In such cases NASA will offer to these departments the use of the Lunar Receiving Laboratory Quarantine Station and such other service equipment personnel and facilities as may be necessary to ensure an effective quarantine.
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c)  NASA shall quarantine NASA astronauts and other NASA personnel as determined necessary and all NASA property involved in any space mission.

Gravock
Is English not your first language?  When something is prohibited by law, a statute typically reads along the lines:  "It shall be unlawful ... ".  Nowhere in that statute does it state that contact with an extraterrestrial is unlawful. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2015, 09:42:08 AM »
Is English not your first language?  When something is prohibited by law, a statute typically reads along the lines:  "It shall be unlawful ... ".  Nowhere in that statute does it state that contact with an extraterrestrial is unlawful.

If a $5,000 fine and a 1 year imprisonment for violation of this statute doesn't mean it's unlawful to break it, then you're beyond reasoning with.

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Re: Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2015, 09:58:09 AM »
If a $5,000 fine and a 1 year imprisonment for violation of this statute doesn't mean it's unlawful to break it, then you're beyond reasoning with.

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LOL, I guess you can't read, or alternately just want to troll.  Bank robbery has even bigger prison sentences.  Like this statute the laws against bank robbery do not prohibit alien encounters.

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2015, 10:10:11 AM »
Is English not your first language?  When something is prohibited by law, a statute typically reads along the lines:  "It shall be unlawful ... ".  Nowhere in that statute does it state that contact with an extraterrestrial is unlawful.

The legal definition of "shall" means "may" when it appears in statutes according to the supreme court.  In other words, your statement in regards to how a statue typically reads, really says:  "It may be unlawful...".  Something that may be unlawful doesn't state or mean that it is prohibited by law as you wrongly assert.  However, you'll be leaving yourself at risk and at the mercy of a judge if the statue carries fines and imprisonment.

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