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a.king21 · « **Reply #150 on:** July 25, 2015, 05:43:12 PM »

I think we should all examine this patent carefully. It also talks about the amplidyne.
The patent is Robert Alexander's.

http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf

It's very close to Tinman's research.

poynt99 · « **Reply #151 on:** July 25, 2015, 07:03:31 PM »

As in this drawing by verpies?

allcanadian · « **Reply #152 on:** July 25, 2015, 07:47:06 PM »

Hey Erfinder

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAYKhrPDPc[/font][/size]Now what this has to do with the Rotary Transformer as its being presented I can only speculate at, and I would rather not fill pages with my speculation when the source is here. At any rate, the patent that Aking recommends, if you flip back a few pages you will see that I recommended it before Aking and Allcanadian...in light of the lack of clarity, it is by far the best bet that we have.....for the moment....

That is a very interesting video, a motor which does not load electrically when loaded mechanically. I used to think this was not possible however I have come to believe it is normal, it is just dependent on what our sense of normal is. As well I have come to understand you and I have a very different view of resonance than most anyone else I have ever met. The proverbial series resonance simply does not register in the minds of many others as we see it and I think I know what you are implying as I have seen it at the bench.

I think of it this way, if the properties which load a motor electrically can be shunted and sent down circuit, make a loop and return right back to their place of origin from the opposite direction then we have fundamentally changed the properties of the motor. That which has inhibited growth is now an integral part of that which encourages it.

I think Grumage made an awesome effort showing resonance however when I saw the video I thought to myself... that is not the resonance I was speaking of. My resonance forces a circuit element to store an amount of energy equal to that dissipated in the load..equal yet opposite. On the next cycle this stored energy adds to that from the source at resonance establishing a new operating theshold. It is simply a variation of Kirchhoff's Law which still sums to zero however where it sum's to zero has changed. The zero point of dissipation vs accumulation is moving through the system rather than being considered a static point. The law applies however in a completely different context and I have found context really does matter. The context defines what it is and how it must act in any given instance versus another.

Interesting stuff... I always like reading your posts.

AC

a.king21 · « **Reply #153 on:** July 25, 2015, 08:51:18 PM »

Quote from: Erfinder on July 25, 2015, 05:49:26 PM

Yes, you should! Don't waste any time waiting....begin looking into that patent now! It mentions 3x out over in.....and does such several times! One of the first patented examples of OU.

Yes, the credit belongs to Erfinder; So I'll repost the link: http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf
My alert was with the scope shot sketch. In my understanding that is what an OU scope shot looks like.

I'm also intrigued by the mention of the amplidyne. There is even a short thread on this site:
http://overunity.com/12738/amplidyne-a-mechanical-amplifier/#.VbPaQ5AfjKc

poynt99 · « **Reply #154 on:** July 25, 2015, 09:20:52 PM »

How to loop test an apparent COP>1 device...

TinselKoala · « **Reply #155 on:** July 25, 2015, 10:45:14 PM »

Well, I don't want to get too far behind, so here's my "Diode" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkV1RMtlJnk

TinselKoala · « **Reply #156 on:** July 26, 2015, 12:18:44 AM »

There is really no difference between the motor shown in the video and the "unaltered" motor, since the only alteration was to disconnect the wires that connected the two stator coils in series and bring those wires out of the motor. For this demo I re-connected the coil wires so that they are once again in series just exactly like the stock motor. The only possible difference is that in the "stock" motor there is about an inch of wire connecting the two coils in series inside the motor, and now there is about 6 inches of wire doing the same thing, with the connection moved outside the motor instead of inside.

gotoluc · « **Reply #157 on:** July 26, 2015, 01:01:06 AM »

Quote from: Erfinder on July 25, 2015, 06:03:27 PM

I didn't bring up UFO to take away from what you demonstrated, nor are you being accused of taking someones work, nor looking for fame or fortune.

Regards

I realize that. The reason I wrote about it was, I realize I forgot to explain (in the video) what my reasoning for this test was and how I really wanted to do it.

Quote from: Erfinder on July 25, 2015, 06:03:27 PM

I will be the first to admit that 99.9% of what UFO stated, I am not in agreement with! Needless to say, the idea of driving a commutated motor with a PWM was interesting, and showed some real promise, since you brought the concept to the table once again, I felt mentioning the old was justified. Here is one of the better experiments conducted by one individual who also saw merit in the concept. He did not take the concept any further than his guru inspired him to.....sad.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAYKhrPDPc

Prior to his build I had built a circuit that operated a motor the same way (no extra current under load. I also have the same motor but a 24vdc 400 rpm. It puts on a good show but it's not what I was looking for, so I think I didn't bothered making a video to show it.
This can be done with any DC motor with an isolated flip flop cap charge discharge circuit. The source is never connected to the motor. Only a fixed value cap is connected between source and motor and never both at the same time.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

Jimboot · « **Reply #158 on:** July 26, 2015, 02:21:29 AM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on July 25, 2015, 10:45:14 PM

Well, I don't want to get too far behind, so here's my "Diode" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkV1RMtlJnk

Lol. Have you measured any output on that? I found that even though the motor sped up,output was not affected until I adjusted the brushes.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #159 on:** July 26, 2015, 02:45:29 AM »

Quote from: webby1 on July 26, 2015, 01:33:00 AM

I was meaning more along the lines of input and RPM,, so 12V @50ma for the stock for say 2000 RPM and maybe the same or worse for the altered motor.

In that video there is really _no difference_ between the stock motor and the rewired one, because I have reconnected the series stator coils for the demo. The only difference is that the stock motor has the two stator coils connected inside the motor, and the rewired motor has that connection broken, and brought outside the motor, where I reconnected it for the demonstration. So about 6 inches of wire, is the only difference.

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So are you saying that in the stock motor you are using the stator coils are not powered with the rotor?? The universals that I have have the stator windings in series with the rotor windings,, one of them has one of the inputs going into one of the stator windings then out and into the rotor,, then out of the rotor and into the other stator winding and then out for the other input.

That is right, on my motors there is _no connection at all_ between the armature brushes and the stator windings, unless I make that connection outside the motor. And for the demo in the video I did not make any connection between the brushes and the stators.

See the image below.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #160 on:** July 26, 2015, 02:46:35 AM »

Quote from: Jimboot on July 26, 2015, 02:21:29 AM

Lol. Have you measured any output on that? I found that even though the motor sped up,output was not affected until I adjusted the brushes.

wait a bit for the next video

Jimboot · « **Reply #161 on:** July 26, 2015, 02:50:49 AM »

Quote from: a.king21 on July 25, 2015, 05:43:12 PM

I think we should all examine this patent carefully. It also talks about the amplidyne.
The patent is Robert Alexander's.

http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf

It's very close to Tinman's research.

Anyone using 4 poles?

Here is the Google link to same patent http://www.google.com/patents/US3913004. looks like I'll be rewinding a rotor today. Any advice appreciated.

gotoluc · « **Reply #162 on:** July 26, 2015, 05:01:14 AM »

Hi everyone,

the below was a post from TinMan at OUR forum on my last video to which I reply by another video and thought it may help clear the air for others here as well.

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Quote from: TinMan on 2015-07-25, 18:18:53Luc
There is no inductive kickback from the rotor coils of one of these motors,as the coils are all connected-there is never an open circuit for an inductive kickback current to flow out from. What you see as high voltage spikes on the scope is only brush noise/arcing. The coils of the rotor form one big current loop. RF is generated from brush arcing due to high current's,and more so bad brush contact to the rotors armature.
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I would say this is incorrect,and that your PWM pulses are indeed what is going through to your stator coil. Using your diode setup,capture the output from the rotor diode into a high voltage cap,and see what the voltage climbs to.
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Wow ... I'm surprised of your answer and of how sure you are of it. Is this really you writing this or have the MIB taken over your account?

In any even, I made a video to demonstrate your suggestion to send the flyback to a cap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-CqJLUKfc

Luc

tinman · « **Reply #163 on:** July 26, 2015, 08:10:03 AM »

Quote from: gotoluc on July 26, 2015, 05:01:14 AM

Hi everyone,

the below was a post from TinMan at OUR forum on my last video to which I reply by another video and thought it may help clear the air for others here as well.

Luc
There is no inductive kickback from the rotor coils of one of these motors,as the coils are all connected-there is never an open circuit for an inductive kickback current to flow out from. What you see as high voltage spikes on the scope is only brush noise/arcing. The coils of the rotor form one big current loop. RF is generated from brush arcing due to high current's,and more so bad brush contact to the rotors armature.
.

I would say this is incorrect,and that your PWM pulses are indeed what is going through to your stator coil. Using your diode setup,capture the output from the rotor diode into a high voltage cap,and see what the voltage climbs to.

Reply by gotoluc:
Wow ... I'm surprised of your answer and of how sure you are of it. Is this really you writing this or have the MIB taken over your account?

In any even, I made a video to demonstrate your suggestion to send the flyback to a cap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-CqJLUKfc

Luc

Luc
Could you please post a quick schematic of your inductive kickback circuit,as i cannot get anymore than the input voltage out of the brush contacts. The only way i see you getting that sort of voltage out of the rotor is by way of making your rotor coils act as a stepup transformer. For example,if you had 20 turns on your rotor coil,then applying 12 volts,then switching that 12 volts off,you should be able to get around 240 volts out.
Also,please understand that my answer is in relation to you placing more brushes on the rotor to collect the flyback.

Thanks.

Jimboot · « **Reply #164 on:** July 26, 2015, 08:18:46 AM »

@Erfinder I've been researching high voltage low current motors and also the Alexander patent. Any ideas what would those sort of motors be typically found in?
thanks

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