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Offline Grumage

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2015, 12:05:53 AM »
Actually, I might have been a bit more clear by using "stator laminations" instead of "frame', but I hope I was able to get my point across.

I am definitely no expert regarding electric motors!

PW

Dear picowatt.

Aw, now you've  gone and ruined it!! The correct term is " Frame "!!

The pole pieces were attached separately in the good old days.

I'm surprised you had not seen a screw shank milling cutter before, you do need a special chuck to use them, but once secure they don't budge so you can accurately bore a hole to size and depth.

Most of my working career was spent in both Electrical and Mechanical engineering, big boys toys, sort of thing.  ;)

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2015, 12:13:21 AM »
Dear picowatt.

Aw, now you've  gone and ruined it!! The correct term is " Frame "!!

The pole pieces were attached separately in the good old days.

I'm surprised you had not seen a screw shank milling cutter before, you do need a special chuck to use them, but once secure they don't budge so you can accurately bore a hole to size and depth.

Most of my working career was spent in both Electrical and Mechanical engineering, big boys toys, sort of thing.  ;)

Cheers Grum.

As for frame versus laminations, clarity for the masses...

As for the milling bit, just because I own a few machine tools does not make me a machinist!

I get by...

PW

ADDED:  I did a search for screw shank end mills and did not return a lot of hits (none actually).  Are they very common where you are?  Do they go by another name?

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« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2015, 01:13:19 AM »
I thought you were filing the brushes to a point so that only one rotor segment one each side would be connected at a time.
Not on the motor you see in the video,as it has a higher number of poles on the rotor.The motors with 1/2 the number of rotor poles need only have one pole per brush contact<-- for the bulk of the time.

9 out of 10 motors will need the brush timing changed,or it will not perform very well -if at all.

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Offline tinman

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« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2015, 01:15:17 AM »
Dear picowatt.

I was in fact using a "Pozidrive" "cross head" type screwdriver gently touching the leading ( motor rotation ) Commutator segment to the brush holder. In fact you can retard the speed by placing the screwdriver on the lagging side. This was done with the shaved brushes and later with the standard brushes. In fact I actually state verbally what I'm doing at 3.38 minutes into the video.

Now as to the use of permanent magnets? The " jury is still out " !! Brad seems to be ignoring MY questions, perhaps you should ask him ? However if the drawings posted on page one of this thread are anything to go by, my gut feeling is that there ARE PM's involved, somewhere.  ;)

Cheers Grum.
I am answering as i can.

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« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2015, 01:16:38 AM »
Grum,

That's a clean hole you cut in those laminations.  What did you use?

Your attempt to use some added magnets was an interesting and inspired idea.  I wonder if cutting off and trimming the pole piece and placing the magnet(s) between the modified pole piece and the outer frame would have been more effective.

Placing the magnets in the bored out hole as you have apparently done would tend to create only a local magnetic loop, that is, the motor frame surrounding the bored out hole would tend to act more so as a keeper between the north and south poles of the installed magnets.

Placing the magnet between the pole piece and frame would allow the installed PM's field to travel thru the motor frame and armature (effectively in series with the armature).  As well, the coil surrounding the modified pole piece/PM assembly could be used to modulate the field produced by the PM.

Very interesting...

Thanks Grum,

PW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i91F5VQD4JM

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
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Offline picowatt

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2015, 01:23:13 AM »
I am answering as i can.

Tinman

What, exactly, prevents you from answering?  Is it with regard to suppression of technology from the masses or more so to do with protection of IP?

PW

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« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2015, 01:30:16 AM »
Tinman

What, exactly, prevents you from answering?  Is it with regard to suppression of technology from the masses or more so to do with protection of IP?

PW
Full disclosure was not(and now cant be)on the table-i have made this very clear many times now-even before-------------------------changed.

I will be presenting all my finding's and build on the S/S version here on this thread.
I dont ask that anyone spend time and money on either project-each makes there own decisions.

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Offline Jimboot

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2015, 01:32:11 AM »
Full disclosure was not(and now cant be)on the table-i have made this very clear many times now-even before-------------------------changed.

I will be presenting all my finding's and build on the S/S version here on this thread.
I dont ask that anyone spend time and money on either project-each makes there own decisions.
Fully understood and I have no issues with that.

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2015, 02:02:55 AM »
Full disclosure was not(and now cant be)on the table-i have made this very clear many times now-even before-------------------------changed.

I will be presenting all my finding's and build on the S/S version here on this thread.
I dont ask that anyone spend time and money on either project-each makes there own decisions.

Tinman,

I understand what you are saying here, and the similar statements made by you in the past.

However, this does not really answer my question.  I am curious to know whether your inability to answer or further discuss the RT is with regard to some form of suppression or more so to do with IP protection.

If it is not IP protection, surely you can state that...

PW

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2015, 02:06:47 AM »
Tinman,

Is further investigation of the measurements made of the RT also off the table?

Consider, if you will, my suggestion of continuing on with those measurements with the RT enclosed so as to be fully "black boxed" and out of view.

PW

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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2015, 02:28:32 AM »
Were the field coils of the stator rewound on the vacumn motor?
The list on the first page shows 2 different types of motor.
Why are we drifting away from the original motor design?
Why solid state?
I would like to understand the motor before I try a transformer.
artv

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« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2015, 02:28:32 AM »
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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2015, 04:00:39 AM »
Were the field coils of the stator rewound on the vacumn motor?
The list on the first page shows 2 different types of motor.
Why are we drifting away from the original motor design?
Why solid state?
I would like to understand the motor before I try a transformer.
artv


You should read what Tinman has posted.  He is treading a fine line. He has told you what to look for.
The name of the game is very simple.
Show disruptive technology and you are stopped - one way or another.
Or teach people to figure it out, do it quietly and no-one will bother you.
Forget about changing the world overnight. It ain't gonna happen.


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Re: TinMan Generator Research Moderated Topic
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2015, 06:14:58 AM »
HI ALEJANDOGUILLA. THIS FIGAMAGIG IS JUST A PROOF OF CONCEPT. THAT TO PROVE THAT IF
ONE IS GOING TO DESIGN A MEG FOR EXAMPLE ONE HAS TO DESIGN IT SO THAT THE CORE OF THE MEG
IS SATURATED SO THAT THE MAGNETIC FIELD RADIATE OUT OF THE CORE THROUGH THE PIC UP COIL..
GREAT MOVIE TO WATCH GUYS IS @FLASH OF GENIUS@ SO BE CAREFULL WE DO NOT CROSS A
GUY LIKE IN  THIS MOVIE..

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« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2015, 06:18:13 AM »
AND ALEJA THIS USES THE SHAKING TORCH PRINCIPLE..SO THE BOLT HAS TO BE
MOVED THROUGH THE SOLENOIDS TO PUMP ETHER ..

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