Author Topic: Poles Reversing (Read 17406 times)

mikestocks2006 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:25:41 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on December 17, 2006, 06:37:05 PM

What also makes sense to me now is the delay in watching the Steorn motor run where it hits a point where it sort of slowly stops some kind of device gets slowly lifted and the device spins again, could this indeed be the delay of the Ceramic switching poles?

Regards

Sean.

Hi CLaNZeR,

Could you please post the video, showing the stop and go aspects of the device?
Thanks

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:32:32 PM »

Hi Gyula

For your info I was playing with a small Neo magnet today towards a smaller ceramic and it was interesting to see when using a smaller Neo Magnet on a Ceramic that the poles do indeed swap back pretty quickly when the neo is removed.
When I used a Big neo as shown in this thread the Ceramic is reversed for good and I still have the Ceramics here that are still reversed from the original experiement the other month.

Regards

Sean.

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Hi composer,

Can you give some more info (web link, paper reference etc) on how quick the a ferrit magnet recover and change back to its original poles after the ''treatment'' from the stronger magnet?
Thanks, Gyula

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #17 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:35:40 PM »

Hi Mike

I will try and dig it out, I had a quick look on the Skynews Video as I thought it might of been this one, but it isnt.

The one I remember was one of the earlier videos that showed the device rotating a barrier being lifted as the device came to a halt.

Will go see if I can find it.

Regards

Sean.

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Hi CLaNZeR,

Could you please post the video, showing the stop and go aspects of the device?
Thanks

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #18 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:06:44 PM »

Mike update on video footage

Seems Sky news Archive has nicely butchered their clip to remove any of the pictures of the devices.
But found a copy on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNDIWY19gqA&mode=related&search=

This is not the one I remember seeing that interested me at first as I know there is another one I think from one of the other News channels that shows the lifting bit I am trying to explain.

But for now if you look at 1:00 into the video you will see the stop start action I am talking about.

I will continue the search so I can show you what I mean!

Regards

Sean.

MeggerMan · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2006, 10:59:10 PM »

Hi Clanzer,
Ahh when you say you reversed the field you meant it was permanent, sorry I missed that in the original description.
Is the central region on the reverse side of the ceramic magnet flipped as well?

Hmm, so you get first repulsion, you go past the point of no return, then you get attraction. All we need to do now is figure a way of reversing these two forces and we have it.
On the ceramic magnet you have a change in polarity, so if you have another magnet near the face (1mm gap) in attraction, when the field flips it will be repelled and able to perform some work.
After the 2nd ceramic magnet is repelled then the main neo magnet can move onto the next ceramic magnet, so it would not be a smooth motion, but stop start.

People were talking about mu-metal and shields, when all along it could what you have just demonstrated, neo magnet and a ceramic magnet as the switch.

I am going to rack my brains now to see if I can figure how you can make a repulsion followed by an attraction into useful work.

What happens if there is a neo magnet attached on the underside of the ceramic magnet and you try to bring the first neo magnet into contact the surface of the ceramic magnet?
I am wondering if this is some kind of avalanche effect where by it reverses the polarity then repels the other neo magnet.

Regards

Rob

mikestocks2006 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2006, 11:57:53 PM »

Quote from: CLaNZeR on December 17, 2006, 08:06:44 PM

Mike update on video footage

Seems Sky news Archive has nicely butchered their clip to remove any of the pictures of the devices.
But found a copy on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNDIWY19gqA&mode=related&search=

This is not the one I remember seeing that interested me at first as I know there is another one I think from one of the other News channels that shows the lifting bit I am trying to explain.

But for now if you look at 1:00 into the video you will see the stop start action I am talking about.

I will continue the search so I can show you what I mean!

Regards

Sean.

CLaNZeR thanks.
The one you posted I have seen, it is helpful but it is not providing any rates info.
If you can locate the one showing the weights lifted/lowered, it would be more helpful.
Who knows?the whole setup maybe simpler than most think.

Thanks

konduct · « **Reply #21 on:** December 18, 2006, 08:28:07 AM »

I think the Steorn Effect is probably rather simple as well, but I think you are off base! It isn't like "Pole Switching" is exact. All you're doing is actually demagnitizing a weaker ceramic with a stronger neo. The results of which are way too inconsistant to count on for any kind of practical motor.

Don't ruin your ceramic mags. I did read all of the deleted Steorn threads. Pole switching was being discussed there way earlier.

~edited for courtesy and sp =)

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #22 on:** December 18, 2006, 06:45:26 PM »

Konduct you do not get it my friend, it is not about money and wasting magnets to me, it is a bit of fun to experiment and chuck wild ideas into the air and yep most of the time into Touch LOL!!

I was going on an idea that was quoted from another thread in this forum
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1811.0.html

And nope I have not been sat on the Steorn site reading all those threads as it hard enough to find time to catch up with this forum.

Have you released your shielding info yet?

Regards

Sean.

Quote from: konduct on December 18, 2006, 08:28:07 AM

I think the Steorn Effect is probably rather simple as wel, but Clanzer, you are off base my friend! It isn't like "Pole Switching" is exact. All you're doing is actually demagnitizing a weaker ceramic with a stronger neo. The results of which are way too inconsistant to count on for any kind of practicle motor. Come on people...

"OOooo, Ooooo, Magnetic Mystery!...I'll buy parts!...duh d duuuhhh..."

Gump, Gump, Gump.

Quit ruining your ceramic mags. I did read all of the deleted Steorn threads. You are way off what was being discussed there.

MeggerMan · « **Reply #23 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:49:23 PM »

Hi Konduct,
I have to agree with Clanzer, such harsh words, yet you offer so little in support.

You remind me of the little boy playing in the sand at the beach in the "AA" commercial, and his dad says, "So where exactly did you bury the car?" and the little boy replies, "Its in the SAND! .... I'm not helping much, am I dad?".

Money is not really an issue here in research, I personally have spend hundreds and hundreds on test gear, components, parts you name it, but I don't care about the money, I just want to find the answer, is OU possible and can it be put to work to replace fossil fuels.

After watching the video presentation by Al Gore - "an inconvenient truth", I realize we only have a matter of a few decades before the climate goes "belly up" and we are left with a planet that resembles Water World with the fierce weather to go with it.

So come on, share what info you may have on this topic.

Regards

Rob

konduct · « **Reply #24 on:** December 18, 2006, 09:20:33 PM »

I'm sorry guys. Bad choice of words really. I wasn't really trying to come off like I did... :'( I knew the thread you were going off of and the info was incomplete. I was hoping you guys might go dig on Steorn's forum rather than take second hand info as the gospel. Kent does know what he is talking about but the post he made was early in a series of events. It was basically stale intel! I was hot on the trail with Kent so I didn't spend enough time explaining it...I figured you guys would go and check it out of curiosity. We need people working together and independently on ideas that work. I didn't want some Steorn cat laughing at you guys for making the same mistake half of them already made. I was also a little salty since there are some very counterproductive people out there who enjoy people wasting their time with dis-information. (Plus I already "altered" ceramics with neos before and you end up with an unstable useless mag.)

I apologize again for being condiscending though.

I also didn't mean to insinuate anyone was financially hurting either. I've got nearly 1000 neos with more coming so I know about doing things for grins! (Got tired of recycling the mags out of one of my old designs to test the new ones since I keep going back to the same old one.) But I have seen some younger as well as older folks that mentioned having very little budget to work with.

Oh yeah, the shielding is good ol fashioned stainless steel. I pretty much abandoned my shielding ideas for a couple of reasons. 1, the most basic design didn't work the way I needed it to. 2 the more advanced "sexier" designs wouldn't be practical for size / power output so back to the drawing board. The real beauty of Stainless is that it doesn't magnetize like soft steel does due to the moly alloy. It's still usefull but not like I need it to be.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #25 on:** December 28, 2006, 08:06:03 PM »

No probs Konduct

I know what it like, I spend alot of my daily time reading every area linked to magnets and different areas being explored and it a huge area, some things I read and it sticks in my head and then you see a conversation going on about it and think, hold on that already been tried, but you forget that those people have not read the same material as you.

But at the end of the day, there are so many combinations to so many experiements that we cannot dismiss someone else trying the same idea.

A good example of this is the Smot ramp. If you just put too long magnets lined up and place a ball inside it then it will indeed roll up hill, but you hit a sticky point.
If you then dig deeper and space the long magnets exactly to within 1mm as shown by someone who has played for many hours with this design the ball goes past the sticky point.

I beleive this is the same for many designs out there. I think people will experiment and try a theory and see if does not work, but who is to say that if they had just moved 1 magnet 5mm this way or that way, that it would of shown a different result.

It is a huge Arena for experiments and even though defined Physics say it is not possible, we still keep trying. That alone has got to be a good reason for us all to keep trying LOL!!!

Regards

Sean.

iadcw · « **Reply #26 on:** December 29, 2006, 03:08:16 AM »

@ Konduct

I know what you mean about trying many things and going back to the same design !!

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