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Title: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on July 05, 2015, 11:31:08 PM
Hi Stefan,

Thank you for posting that interesting video and English translation of the Luling magnet motor. There is a similar video here by British Pathe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cycmBwLb8

The following is only my interpretation so it could be wrong but may give an idea for someone.
 
He has two versions shown in the video a small desk top version which only has 2 rotor sections and the larger one which looks like 4 rotor sections with 4 spring arms attached, maybe what the 4x4 was referring to?

Going frame by frame it looks like there are two magnets on a arm which is driven by a cam. It is flush with the oncoming rotor but then is quickly snapped back by the spring and cam action. In between the two magnets looks to be a solid block of iron or electrical steel. When the magnets are in front the field extends outwards but when snapped back the field is neutralized through the block.

You can see this action in the video at 0:15 onwards that the rotor rapidly approaches the magnet then as the rotor gets near the magnets they are quickly snapped back.

After I did the drawings I realized that there could be an inverted operation where the metal is actually a single magnet and the iron/steel plates are what moves back and forth.

The only part that is still nagging me with this design is that there appears to be no friction when he spins it in the opposite direction but the magnets seems stationary. Maybe someone else has an idea for that?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kEhYo77 on July 06, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
Nice find Stefan.

From what I can see, the neutralization is accomplished by shunting magnetic field through a cut out, rotating iron bar.
There is an iron slab part that fits inside this cutout forming a magnetic flux path the moment a slab gets inserted into the cutout shaft by rotating the shaft.
Reminds me mechanical flux switching as in 'Ward Force' device of Steven Ward.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: MasterPlaster on July 06, 2015, 10:26:57 PM
Critical information:

Watch all this guys magnet related videos.
Permanent Magnets: The Secret Of The Two Types Of Magnetic Field Cancellations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGKGoXD8P5A



Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: ATOM1 on July 07, 2015, 02:00:34 AM
Its not a lot of power its called magnetic inertia ! THIS TYPE OF MOTOR HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 100 YEARS ! If they were any good they would have been mass produced by now. My one is different it can power a 22tone lorry but Stefan wont let me up load it here ?????? I wonder why ??????? R u reading this Stefan ????

ATOM1     
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: hartiberlin on July 07, 2015, 05:26:16 AM
@ATOM1
are you too stupid to upload a file or what ?

The Lüling motor has nothing to do with magnetic inertia,
but with neutralisation and shielding of the magnetic field of permanent magnets..

So looking forward to see your one...
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Thaelin on July 07, 2015, 10:29:07 AM
I be curious here.  File may be too big in case HJ-split  or non supported file type.  zip and split with 7zip if nothing else.

thay
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: MasterPlaster on July 07, 2015, 12:52:24 PM
There is no secret.
There is no magnetic field cancellation.
Yin and Yang.
balance
In any case.

Sorry.
this is the reality. :)

Watch the video. You may learn something.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: MagnaProp on July 08, 2015, 07:31:19 AM
Looks like it might have some electrical cables connected to it? Perhaps a starter motor or it's able to generate just enough electricity to pull the magnets back from the sticky spot along with help from the spring and flux canceling methods?

Thanks for the translation hartiberlin. On your translated video at (00:05:37) the last word in that segment, does he say aluminum?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on January 12, 2016, 04:29:41 PM
I know this is old but just wanted to add my 2 cents..
Thanks for the translation hartiberlin. On your translated video at (00:05:37) the last word in that segment, does he say aluminum?
no he just talks about the usage.. he says: allen gebieten (this could sound a little like aluminum) but it meens usage in all domains...

as to the shielding i was wondering.. because I do not at all see the positions of the magnets like the graphic in the first  post..

for me the rotating flywheel is iron/steel only. no magnet.. the magnet is in the rotating pipe (the one with the cutout.) the magnet attracts the iron moving part, and when it comes to the point where the magnet wants to hold on to the iron in the rotor ( the sort of sticky point if it were 2 magnets), the spring rotates the pipe so the magnet gets shielded and there is no more attraction.
the magnet then tries to attract the next piece of steel (rotates a little bit pulling the spring) an falling back again..

Alas if i think it may work, i also think that it will not produce as much power as shown in the video. (because i think in the 60ties there were no neodym magnets and the attraction was much much less.) than it could today.

Luciano
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: MagnaProp on January 12, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
...he says: allen gebieten (this could sound a little like aluminum) but it meens usage in all domains...
Thanks for the info and your thoughts on the device are interesting.

Hope I didn't turn people off from investigating this device by pointing out the parts that look electric. TinMan and others have already shown that magnets can do useful work. If this device found a way to only sip electricity while being powered by mainly permanent magnets, it would be a steep in the right direction indeed.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: guest1289 on January 13, 2016, 03:24:58 AM
Could the cables be draining-off unwanted eddy currents
    -   I think someone already mentioned it on this page,  they typed   
Quote
"flux canceling methods?"

    (  And a far-fetched suggestion,  could there have been a technical mis-interpretation by the media-reporters,  and that 'Luling' actually meant that his device did actually receive some electrical input,  and that he claimed that his device out-putted more than it received  )

   
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: guest1289 on February 06, 2016, 12:23:41 AM
There were a lot of cables easily visible in plain sight.

If it may of been a hoax, the designer doesn't seem like a careless type, he would have hidden them .

  Assuming it wasn't a hoax
    -  There may have been electrical-input,  and it may have been a method to  neutralize the permanent-magnets,  or the metals, through induction, or direct contact .

    -  Of course, maybe there was no electrical-input,  and the cables were either feeding generated current back into the motor,  or,  it was the performance-monitoring system

    -  Could the cables maybe not be carrying electricity, could they be intended to carry  'magnetic-current',  as part of the  'neutralization'  of the permanent-magnets,  or the metals. 
        What happens if you use metals or cables,  to join the S-pole of a magnet to it's N-pole, but I assume you'd need thicker cables .

    But there is a lot of weight providing momentum, maybe his design was so finely tuned to maximize the momentum effect,  that that could have made his device function successfully,  with, or without the above detailed possibilities . 
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: guest1289 on August 21, 2016, 02:51:17 AM
  Somehow I think this was an actually functioning   Self-Running-Permanent-Magnet-Motor  .

    You just manually turned it initially,  it generated some current to power the magnetic-shielding-mechanism,  and then it just kept going by itself. 

    (  I wonder if the inventor was the first to think of it,  because it's the kind of very logical,  basic,  and simple idea that would have been invented even before  ' Luling'  )

    (  There was an identical? motor presented in 2013?( 2014? ) by someone from the same country,  coincidence ? ,  and I think the site-administrator actually visited the person that presented that motor  )

    This would be a great one to reproduce today( unless the one in  2013?( 2014? ) is identical.   
       Maybe it would be easier( for anyone wanting to try ) to do by using your own design,  while still basing it on the same principle.     
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Liberty on August 21, 2016, 05:18:21 AM
Thanks for the info and your thoughts on the device are interesting.

Hope I didn't turn people off from investigating this device by pointing out the parts that look electric. TinMan and others have already shown that magnets can do useful work. If this device found a way to only sip electricity while being powered by mainly permanent magnets, it would be a steep in the right direction indeed.

With the "Power Assisted Magnet Motor" that I announced a little while ago in the news section, the book proposes using short pulses of electricity while the motor torque is being produced by permanent magnets.  That is exactly what the "Power Assisted Magnet Motor" is capable of doing.  It's not just a "step in the right direction", but is how to very efficiently run a magnet motor.

Liberty
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: guest1289 on August 23, 2016, 12:38:15 AM
With the "Power Assisted Magnet Motor" that I announced a little while ago in the news section, the book proposes using short pulses of electricity while the motor torque is being produced by permanent magnets.  That is exactly what the "Power Assisted Magnet Motor" is capable of doing.  It's not just a "step in the right direction", but is how to very efficiently run a magnet motor.

Liberty

    That could double or  much  more,   the range ( mileage ) of electric-cars .

    (  What about the torque of the motor you mention,  it must have some limitations, even though you said  "motor torque is being produced by permanent magnets"   )

   (  I assume this type of motor would need a much greater amount of permanent-magnets,  higher-cost,  weight  )

        -  Is this the same thing as  'Pulse-Motors'  which are regularly discussed on this site .

           (  I wonder if fine-control via input-current,  is an issue  )

           Start a thread,  website,  youtube-channel
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 22, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
After studying the film in slow motion I believe i have worked out how it works, I even did a small experiment take a magnet and two steel blocks the same size as the magnet so it covers North and South
poles and place on both sides of the magnet, now place another bar across the top, the magnetic field is  diverted to the blocks and renders the magnet very weak on it face.

as you pull back the steel blocks the face becomes very strong and attracts the steel rotor face. the timing has to be done so when the steel rotor face just begins to  leave the magnet, the blocks neutralize
the magnet and let it continue its travel around.


Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on November 22, 2016, 11:23:18 PM
Not a bad idea!
But maybe i did not understand correctly, but the steel shielding the magnets is the same quality as on the rotor? i do not think you will have the force (from the machine) to move it around the magnet...
maybe I am wrong...
Luc
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 22, 2016, 11:27:07 PM
I think you will have plenty when it is in motion if you notice there is a flywheel to give it the momentum it needs when it starts will be self sustaining there is a lever action from the cam follower as well and only has to move the blocks a few centimeters.

and any way a neodymium magnet even one inch square you could not stop the shaft from turning while attracting the steel plate on the shaft.

you can see where the block pivot shaft is mounted is on the periphery of the unit there are two identical setups  for both rotor faces ,
and there is a long cam follower arm and a week spring to over come as well as the attraction of the magnets to the steel blocks it should be  easy to overcome when you also have the flywheel moment to help.

all i can say is do the experiment with the magnet and see for yourself this could be the first magnet motor that can be made to work.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 22, 2016, 11:55:05 PM
picture from film if you notice the steel blocks are a bit forward of the magnet when shielding could be important and also the blocks are substantially bigger than the magnet.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 23, 2016, 12:22:05 AM
other parts
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 23, 2016, 04:59:20 AM
One thing else i have noticed he has a control lever with a knob i think what he is doing is lifting one set of blocks of the cam some how to chose what diction it will turn, has you can see in the film that it
first turns one way then turns the other as he engages one set of blocks or the other.

in other words one side is neutralized for one direction or both neutralized for off and the other for other direction, so far it all seems to fit what you see in the film in principle it is very simple but there are many variables timing gaps friction length of rotor steel plate etc.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on November 23, 2016, 05:32:12 AM
I fully agree that there are lots of parameters to take into account.
But dont forget that this movie was filmed on film, at  a certain fixed frame rate. so that it turning in one direction, then in the other could very well be an optical illusion. You see that quite often when the motor speed reaches the frame rate it seems to stop, and then move in the other direction when the  speed gets faster than the frame rate of the shutter speed of the camera.

I am still convinced that the magnets are inside heavy steel tubing..
Look at the first pic you posted.. in reply #19 
the spring is attached to what looks like a tube... in this tube next to the spring there is a window cut into the tube. what you see inside imho could be a cylinder type magnet. It is shielded by the pipe, AND by another steel plate that has a bend in it so it would really stop attraction at a given point.

If the magnets were where you put them.. they would be too week as they would have to be quite small to fit. And at the time ( in the 50s and 60s) there were no neodym magnets. so we are talking ferrit magnets at the best.

But again.. i am just speculating. I do not know and might be completely wrong.

Luc
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 23, 2016, 06:30:59 AM
this is the video at the 14 sec mark first goes one way then reverses its very clear to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cycmBwLb8

I think the magnets where Alnico magnets as used in small motor ignition systems

and you can see him using the lever at first when it was changing direction

at first i thought it was in the tube my self but when you run the film in slow motion it is all clear to see i am not sure why the cutouts are in the tube but you can see it is hollow.

you can not see where the spring is connected but safe to say it is connected to the arm running down to the blocks to pull the blocks back of the magnet as when the arm is forward the spring is stretched  when the arm is back it is not  this would also allow the cam link arm to follow the cam from how it looks.

you can see the magnets in the center of the blocks for a start they are shiny with rounded edges as an Alnico magnet would look




Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 23, 2016, 06:40:54 AM
I actually think neodymium magnets would present a problem with being to strong pulling on the blocks and causing to much drag, you would then need a stronger spring as well could be counter productive.

he has a 4 rotter plate model on his desk and the one running is an 8 plate model.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on November 23, 2016, 08:52:28 AM
yes sir you are right for the direction change. thanx for pointing that out. the lever is very probable a distance lever to be able to stop and start the motor.
as for the magnets i am curious to see your firs tests..
luc
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 23, 2016, 10:55:26 AM
I did a quick test with a strip of steel glued on a bearing wheel when the magnet is close to the strip it turns the wheel no problem right to the end of the strip sticking point where the interrupter would would work

looks good so far.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 24, 2016, 03:30:47 AM
Another find this is where the spring attaches to the block arm but left out in this section
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 24, 2016, 04:26:11 AM
test setup
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: DaKrampus on November 24, 2016, 08:14:58 AM
cant wait to see it turning...
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Kator01 on November 24, 2016, 09:47:14 PM
tried to analyze the working-cycle as precise as possible
please have a look at the attached paper

hope it helps.

Mike
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 24, 2016, 10:37:36 PM
it is correct except its not every second revolution, turning clockwise at the 47 sec mark it attracts the rotor plates in turn ( there are 2 plates), as they approach the magnet it then releases them when the blocks are in place at the end of there travel, if not neutralized the magnet would grab the turning plate as it trying to leave and hold it.

otherwise you are correct.


I am using VLC free media player if you repeatedly press the playback slow tab you can slow it down to as slow as you like then you can see what is going on as the machine moves to fast to work out otherwise
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 24, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
stages at 47 sec mark
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 24, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
I suggest we make this an open source project as this is the one magnetic motor where you have a working demonstrable model that was built, my preliminary experiments show the principles are sound
and i am working on a model now, but any help would be appreciated as i said there is research and development involved, as there are variables  and may take a few tries to get it to operate
properly. 

If anyone does the experiments please share results so we can move forward, if anyone has experience with magnetic modeling it would be good to see the magnetic pattern with the influence of steel blocks around a magnet both shielded and unshielded,

thanks Domenic
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Kator01 on November 25, 2016, 02:35:34 AM
Domenic,

you are right I used the ( -) key while watching the vid with the vlc-player: there are two accelleration events.

One remark:

the blocks are back in neutralizing-position already in stage three ( image 3 )

Mike
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 25, 2016, 02:45:57 AM
yes you are right was a split second before they where retreating back didn't quit capture it, it moves very fast.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 25, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
Experiment 1 a short clip to show how the magnet attracts a strip of metal on a wheel to turn it to the sticking point you can clearly see how it bounces back from the attraction at the end of travel.

this is where the magnetic neutralizing blocks would release it.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 01:28:46 AM
I was playing around with magnetic modeling software this is what i have  I am not sure if i did it right first time i have used it
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 01:37:09 AM
this is it modeled with silicon steel permeability of 10000 the higher the permeability the more it absorbs the magnetic field. the best thing to use is pure iron permeability of 15000.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 02:59:02 AM
with iron and larger blocks 15000 permeability.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 03:17:06 AM
this is a small clip with 2 steel pieces ether side of magnet no more lock when turning just very small amount of  attraction
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 04:35:52 AM
moved the blocks forward a bit more seams to be the way to go the  field becomes very week, centering the blocks with the magnet in the middle draws the field into an hour glass shape as i had noted earlyer in the posts the fact he has the blocks a bit forward is important.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 05:50:38 AM
with rotor plate  in place and blocks in place then retracted back. wow i was not expecting this I think there is little doubt that this can work this modeling if correct tells the whole story.

this is a magnetic switch that lends itself to many other designs of permanent magnet self running motors I wonder how many people actually know what there looking at here?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 06:50:13 AM
Do you want more power ;)  just playing around. but seriously I was wondering why Friedrich didn't just activate both sides of the motor at the same time and double the power insted it looks like he
used the other side as a reversing system for the motor?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 07:41:01 AM
it just gets better this is using 2 magnets flipping one south and the other north.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2016, 07:51:52 AM
2 magnets nulled, I bet Mr Luling wished he had this software by using 2 magnets flipped you more than double the power.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 27, 2016, 05:40:12 AM
I am currently waiting on some magnets but have already worked out a better system where by you move the magnets with a cam same as a car valve and not the iron blocks, should allow faster revolutions as less weight to move which probably the biggest problem with his system.

anyone on this forum thinking of patenting should watch this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7QauYjhuZg
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 27, 2016, 01:01:56 PM
A little hint to anyone out there trying to replicate this and this is very important

make sure that if you are mounting the plates on the horizontal plane  or vertical it must be that  the bearings must be firm with no play and also the magnets, or you will not achieve proper rotation of the disc or the rotor the
rotary motion comes about because of the initial attraction of the magnet and because it has no where to go it translates into rotation and this  will be dissipated if there is any wobble in the assembly,  i have already found this out.   



http://panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Thaelin on November 28, 2016, 05:31:02 PM
   On the cam and lifters, sometimes the simplest way is the best way. The only reason to complicate things is to hide things. Way too many examples of that the way it is.  In short, KISS
  thay
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 28, 2016, 07:52:48 PM
that is true Thaelin funny thing is friedrich luling didn't really hide anything, they are showing you the internal works of  the unit, it is just moving to fast, but with our computers it is easy to slow it down now and follow what is going on and he even tells you.
In Stefans translation he says it attracts the rotor to the sticking point and he has found a way to neutralize the magnetic field to allow it to continue on.  1957 was a time when people had integrity many of the old inventions on film showed it all,  it was not about patenting and becoming a millionaire,  money is the driving force now. 
I also think at that stage of technology they didn't have the pool of knowledge we have now and that may have been the only way he could come up with if he had magnetic modelling he would also had done it different.

and another hint for people trying to replicate the rotor must be balanced you have 2 steel or iron plates on both sides of a rotor, you need to counter weight it at 90 deg to the plates so you have a balanced spin.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Eniac5state on March 04, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
Can we first keep it simple ??  This is how a magnet motor should work:
Make magnets on rotor. Say two or four.
Now get a stator magnet in the vincinity of the rotor magnet.
The rotor will now turn towards the stator. Easy. But now the rotor will stop at that point so,
the stator magnet should isolated so the rotor can run in its own momentum. Easy.
But a trick, what if we use a high efficiënt elektromagnet as the stator magnet?
We don't have to shield anymore and can use neodymium magnets !
"But a strong elektromagnet costs energy" say the dummies. Not anymore. There is an
elektromagnet that can hold a person with two AA BATTERIES ! They are on sale.
Just make those switchable and the engine is nearly ready. Smile and start building.
Then attach a generator to it.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on March 05, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
So this dude has found a way to turn off the permanent magnet at the sticky point he says. Great. Does he also reveal hiw he does that?


If not, honestly, then this is just another guess n speculate thing. And these things never work.


Such a prefered myth consumption loop is really an interesting behaviour pattern. I wonder why people don't concentrate on open source concepts.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: guest1289 on March 06, 2017, 05:44:16 PM
The following magnet-motor from 2013 seems genuine( I received an email from someone who viewed it ), and the  magnetic-shielding concept seems familiar  to the 'Friedrich Luling motor' ,  :

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2013/11/german_inventor_solves_permane.html

You probably already saw the design I posted last year :

http://overunity.com/16528/my-magnet-motor-3-5-is-censored-on-all-the-internet-search-engines/

However,  according to some knowledgeable people,   most magnet-motors  are a waste of time because no magnets,  not even neodymium ones will last very long in a magnet-motor ,  especially if they are continually being repelled,  I have never built one,  so I don't know.

Although,  no repelling occurs in my 'Magnet-Motor-3.5' .

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on March 06, 2017, 07:27:40 PM
Ah, that "magnets being used up" is pretty much nonsense. It certainly does not nullify any violation of the first law, provided there is any such working all magnet motor.


About Engel, so basicly he's using a rotating Magnet on the stator. At least that was revealed before he died. This is driven by 7mA 9V dc motor, 63 mW.


However, I did in fact observe some strange imbalance between the forces of attraction and repulsen and that of momentum alignement. I still would not outrule this phenomen as a driving force.


Watching a PM closer made me notice two things: in a magnetic field, two forces are involved: the force of the polar attraction and the force of vectoral alignement. Two magnets, facing eachother, will only attract or repell, but two magnets, side by side, will experience both, torque and attraction and repulsion. Seemingly Torque is not just the result of attraction and repulsion.


So there may be a window of probability, contradicting accepted beliefs, but a lot of guesswork is involved.


Your thread linked above I will read now...
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on March 06, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
So your thread is basicly a rant about google. Yes, google does censor a lot, and being top ranking on google requires to use tricks. Their indexing engine became a bit stupid lately, serving tons of spam, eg. hundreds of instant urls, containing your search term, but all fake. Yet, searching for a pdf of a book, will list tons of fake book sites and after hours of download attempts, must give up (now having revealed their email addresses to all those sites, which require an account etc.)


Google could even serve customized search results, since every google account user (also youtube or samsung/android) has his personality file at google, for personalized google Ads and what not.


Theoreticly a AI program could use this to do evil things, such as isolating certain people, or drive them into suicide.


So better don't use google at all, also no device in which google has hardcoded access, such als Galaxy etc.


Searching for a certain book on search.yandex.ru then brougjt me in seconds to bookzz.org, that is censored by google.


About your motor. Basicly a ramp motor, as far as I understand. Thousends had the same idea. Does not work, as azzraction and repulsion are in equilibrium, regardless of the angle. What comes out must have come in.


That is all part of the learning curve and the one of accepted science ends shortly after the basics in magnetism (the dogmata minefield no established labcoat dares to cross), so stay optimistic, progressive knowledge is just behind the next corner.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: guest1289 on March 08, 2017, 07:53:56 PM
 NOTE :  I UPDATED THIS POST TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS

 that link to my  "magnet-motor-3.5" was just so you'd see the motor

  my  "magnet-motor-3.5" is especially designed to make the only  'potential'   sticky-point on the  individual  'propulsion-components',  work against the same  sticky-point  on the other  'identical'  individual  'propulsion-components',  repeating that effect as many times as required to  effectively-neutralize  all these  potential  identical  sticky-points.
        -  that then allows the propulsion-effect  to be unaffected by any  'potential' sticky-points
        - a perfectly optimized design in terms of ratios/proportions of components/magnetic-strengths  could even possibly eliminate the need for multiple  propulsion-components

     My other magnet-motor  designs I have posted on this site since 2015,  'may' '?'  not have as much potential as this motor,  however,  they may be even more interesting
_______________

   If you wanted to defeat the law of  thermodynamics-?/conservation-of-energy-?( I can't remember which laws they are )  you do not even need to build a magnet-motor,  there is something much simpler,  and just as impressive

   All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation defeats  the law of thermodynamics-?/conservation-of-energy-?,  by directly disproving   earnshaw's-theorem,  and,  the law of  magnetic-levitation,  in other words achieving the same as  Electromagnetic-Levitation  but only by  using  Permanent-Magnets,  nothing else,  and no cheating by using  diamagnetics
      -  explained 3 paragraphs down

   at least two members on this site have said they built devices achieving  All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation,  and one device was even a functioning  magnetic-bearing

  ( full-levitation means that the levitating-magnet/magnets absolutely do no touch anything else at all  )

  earnshaw's-theorem says that All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation  can not be achieved,  because,  if it is achieved,  then the levitating-magnet/magnets  would be  constantly  vibrating/moving,   and this would therefore be  perpetual-motion/free-energy

    Relating to the above paragraph,  one of the two members on this site who said that they built devices achieving  All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation,  said that they did in fact observe this constant  vibration(  perpetual-motion/free-energy  )

   I posted numerous All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation  designs since  2015,  some were  rotatable-bearings,  while others were just  couplings,  these designs were designed to work at any angle in relation to gravity,
      My designs would function like as a 3d-version of the  following  very-impressive  invention below( the invention below is not my invention ),  called  the  "inverter magnet"
      -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU 
            I didn't know about that invention,  when I started posting my designs,  but afterwards I thought of that invention as a type of proof of the validity of my designs
            (  Note : There are inventions  pre-dating the above invention ( the "inverter magnet" ),  which achieve the same effect  )

      However,  as I mentioned before,  people have/must already have designed and successfully built these things( 'full'-levitation-versions,  long before me  )

      Note : I have not successfully built any of these things, I don't have appropriate magnets etc

      Note : this is actually mentioned on the wikipedia-pages for  earnshaws-theorem,  and for  magnetic-levitation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earnshaw's_theorem
Quote
Earnshaw's theorem has no exceptions for non-moving permanent ferromagnets. However, Earnshaw's theorem does not necessarily apply to moving ferromagnets
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation
           In the page above for magnetic-levitation,  it is even more ambiguously mentioned,  so much so that at the moment I can no longer pinpoint it, they may have changed it, but basically this page just refers to Earnshaw's-theorem anyway
     
      obviously you'll find no pictures of this,  on wikipedia,  and people like the 2 members on this site will not post anything either,  as you probably see why

      so today, these homebuilt devices must be very common in households interested in them

      Note :  This also applies to   'Electrostatics'

      Levitating-Toy-Train 
         So, using my designs,  and/or the invention in the video,  you should be able to build a toy All-Permanent-Magnet-'Full'-Levitation  Train,  using flexible magnetic-strips( having N-S polarity ) as tracks,  so basically,  you would have  3-rails
             -  two outer-rails to repel the train upwards
             -  and one-inner-rail  to anchor/attract( 'no'-contact, just like the  "inverter magnet" )  the train to the track
        (  However,  the inventions that  Pre-Date  the  "inverter magnet"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvfDzRLsiU  ,  could mean that this train could be achieved just by using  just  2-rails  )
            As you can see,  this train would never be allowed in toy shops.

       (  these are the only of any of my designs that I tried building, but I don't have the right magnets  )

       Apparently, according to one of the members on this site, the very simplest way to achieve this  is just by using a  magnetic-cylinder,  to repel something inside?/above it?
       
       But this was actually also a miscellaneous design I included in a PDF I posted on this-? site and on other places,  my design was simply a  ring-magnet,  and then you have the  floating-magnet  floating just above it( in it's center ),  and keeping it in place using the methods below
        in the design I posted in places( I can't remember precisely where ),
        -  below the  ring-magnet,  I included  a  magnetic-anchor( 'no'-contact, just like the  "inverter magnet" ),  to keep the  floating-magnet( a long component maybe containing 2 magnets )  right in the center( and slightly above) of the  ring-magnet
        -  but a much easier way would be to have a  weight( non metallic, or non magnetizable )  hanging down from the  floating-magnet  to keep it floating  right in the center( and slightly above) of the  ring-magnet,  a  gravity-magnetic-floater
       
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dieter on March 10, 2017, 01:48:00 AM
The weight, fixed over a rigid rod, would also and especially prevent the floater to flip over.


all PM levitation is possible, but difficult, just like placing a soccer ball on a piece of fluffy rubber foam. Although I don't see any first law violation, and I'd be surprised about that constant vibration thing since I'd rather expect it to settle down at the equilibrium.


A Microwave oven magnet may be used to repell the floater magnet. If the repulsion is strong enough for both, floater and the mentioned weight.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: rstergar on April 14, 2017, 04:30:27 PM
hi everyone

after reading about this motor and do some tests I decided to try build one because after testing when magnet is surrounded by steel there is almost no attraction force anymore so I think 90% that this might work :)

will update soon...
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: rstergar on April 23, 2017, 12:44:53 PM
update:

currently done 80% :)

the attraction between magnet and steel plate which demagnetize a magnet is lower than i thought. it will easily move with the spring which pull it back while operate...

https://youtu.be/FZ0kX6kBVfY
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on April 23, 2017, 02:59:49 PM
update:

currently done 80% :)

the attraction between magnet and steel plate which demagnetize a magnet is lower than i thought. it will easily move with the spring which pull it back while operate...

https://youtu.be/FZ0kX6kBVfY

Excellent work!, keep going, your setup look really awesome and solid. The Luling motor is the only one that i found worth a build.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: rstergar on December 31, 2017, 04:43:35 PM
Thank you :)

But this model will not work because I must start over and create it more precise and with better materials than plastic...

Here is my new idea of design: https://youtu.be/oAvcmSFOfns

I will start ASAP...will update here ;)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 04, 2018, 12:45:50 PM
So this dude has found a way to turn off the permanent magnet at the sticky point he says. Great. Does he also reveal hiw he does that?


If not, honestly, then this is just another guess n speculate thing. And these things never work.


Such a prefered myth consumption loop is really an interesting behaviour pattern. I wonder why people don't concentrate on open source concepts.


Perhaps you have never heard of Howard Robert Johnson?

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nosnbora on February 28, 2018, 04:06:44 PM
hello,
i read for 2 years in this forum now, just signed up only because this great approach to lünings magnet motor.
i think it doesnt work like this because the iron blocks, once in line with the magnet, will stick very strong to the magnet in the middle.
yes, there is a spring to pull it back, but i wouldnt underrate the force the iron sticks to the magnet.

you can disable or at least weaken a permanent magnet by attaching a coil around it. or better: the square shaped coil is attached between the iron blocks and move with them over the magnet.
i think if the coil is fixed on the magnet it doesnt make a difference because then the coil holding the ironblocks in place...
this coil has to be energized only for a very short pulse to set the iron blocks free again, so the spring can easily pull the iron blocks back.

thats the only thing why the motor shouldnt work properly. and i think thats the reason why there are some wires on the motor in the orinigal video.

is this too easy? ^^
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Eniac5state on April 12, 2018, 11:57:34 AM
RSTERGAR  you are the best builder i have ever seen in this field !   But we are in modern times now with hightecher materials:

"Can we first keep it simple ??  This is how a magnet motor should work:
Make magnets on rotor. Say two or four.
Now get a stator magnet in the vincinity of the rotor magnet.
The rotor will now turn towards the stator. Easy. But now the rotor will stop at that point so,
the stator magnet should isolated so the rotor can run in its own momentum. Easy.
But a trick, what if we use a high efficiënt elektromagnet as the stator magnet?
We don't have to shield anymore and can use neodymium magnets !
"But a strong elektromagnet costs energy" say the dummies. Not anymore. There is an
elektromagnet that can hold a person with two AA BATTERIES ! They are on sale.
Just make those switchable and the engine is nearly ready. Smile and start building.
Then attach a generator to it."

Do these people know where these 2 AA batteries magnets that can hold a person, are sold ?
If you can't do that easy task you will never reach anything without the help of others.

This is called very dependant on others. Like a kid. 
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: norman6538 on April 12, 2018, 02:32:15 PM
Where is this
"elektromagnet that can hold a person with two AA BATTERIES"?
Norman

RSTERGAR  you are the best builder i have ever seen in this field !   But we are in modern times now with hightecher materials:

"Can we first keep it simple ??  This is how a magnet motor should work:
Make magnets on rotor. Say two or four.
Now get a stator magnet in the vincinity of the rotor magnet.
The rotor will now turn towards the stator. Easy. But now the rotor will stop at that point so,
the stator magnet should isolated so the rotor can run in its own momentum. Easy.
But a trick, what if we use a high efficiënt elektromagnet as the stator magnet?
We don't have to shield anymore and can use neodymium magnets !
"But a strong elektromagnet costs energy" say the dummies. Not anymore. There is an
elektromagnet that can hold a person with two AA BATTERIES ! They are on sale.
Just make those switchable and the engine is nearly ready. Smile and start building.
Then attach a generator to it."

Do these people know where these 2 AA batteries that can hold a person, are sold ?
If you can't that easy task you will never reach anything without the help of others.

This is called very dependant on others. Like a kid.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Eniac5state on April 12, 2018, 02:35:57 PM
Rstergar important.

  Your engine is missing the vital part. It needs a lightweight flywheel
  so that with one magnet action, the engineshaft will turn 5 times by
  itself. A lightweight (fly)wheel with good bearings from a kidsbike.
  Not a heavy massive wheel. So attach a longer axle and the flywheel sits
  beside the table. Now we are getting somewhere. In the very beginning
  a car engine was 8 liters and 30 hp. Nowerdays we have a 0,5 liter
  engine with 340 hp. Just a bit of extra knowhow gives extremely better
  results. No good flywheel = no working magnet engine !
 
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: norman6538 on April 12, 2018, 05:03:41 PM
Thank you :)

But this model will not work because I must start over and create it more precise and with better materials than plastic...

Here is my new idea of design: https://youtu.be/oAvcmSFOfns (https://youtu.be/oAvcmSFOfns)

I will start ASAP...will update here ;)

Regarding the animation - how do you keep the metal from getting stuck at the magnet?

Norman
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on June 20, 2018, 12:45:56 AM
It  has been a while since i did the research on this motor the force holding the metal blocks when near the magnet  is not strong using my hand i successfully  could make the motor spin easy when rocking the blocks back and forward on the magnets with the model i made,  the difficulty is with the cam system getting it right, i still think it can work but have been to busy to do any work on it lately its timing and the materials used that are important.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Low-Q on June 20, 2018, 07:28:30 AM
It  has been a while since i did the research on this motor the force holding the metal blocks when near the magnet  is not strong using my hand i successfully  could make the motor spin easy when rocking the blocks back and forward on the magnets with the model i made,  the difficulty is with the cam system getting it right, i still think it can work but have been to busy to do any work on it lately its timing and the materials used that are important.
It is very hard, if not impossible, to determine the energy you spend with your hands to make this motor going.
A weak magnet, and with a motor without load, you will barely feel any counterwork done on your hand.
Using a cam system will most probably cause the weak motor to stop. The easiest explanation why it will stop is because magnetism isn't energy. It's just a force.


Vidar
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on June 20, 2018, 11:56:07 PM
you are wrong there my model is made of solid steel and welded nearly lost a finger tip as the force of the rotor approaches the magnets there is real force and not just a bit as i said problem  is the timing.i used neodymium magnets x2 on each face when it is near the face of the rotor  you cant stop it it is not a kids motor, and mine is only small imagine a big one. 
I used steel because its all i had but what i really want is cast iron for the rotor plates i can't find any hear where i am as it adds even more to the attraction force when you get serious about building this motor
there are real forces involved and you have to be careful with it.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: truesearch on June 21, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
@dmo444

I'd be interested to learn more about your magnet-motor research. Would you be willing to share some pictures of what you are doing?


truesearch
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: rstergar on July 22, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
here is my new idea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLTESkXFSr8 - but when I put magnets inside shielding rotor it is hard to rotate.. it has sticky point...
so I came up with new idea:=
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWDlUEB3h98 - but still sticky point .... so now I have a new idea...
i will fix magnets with rotation shielding...so everything will rotate...
I will update ;)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2018, 12:48:34 AM
here is a simple way to make an attraction motor based on Fredrich Luling principal using an electromagnet to break the magnetic lock.
you can ad one electromagnet assembly for each magnet for more power and capture the back emf with a diode as well.
As a matter of fact you can multiply the magnets and attractor assemblies into a very powerful motor with little power to run.

I just noticed this is a Bedini machine with attractor plates to give power to the wheel.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on November 26, 2018, 01:36:14 AM
here it is modernized,
I have tested the electromagnet attractor steel piece combination and it 100% works test it yourself?
this design could also be optimized with pulse width control of coils to further reduce consumption, back emf could charge another battery while in use like Bedini motor as well.
Also notice that this design produces high amount of torque when magnets are attracted all at the same time I have not built it yet but I am sure it will be a good performance design.



Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: doktorsvet on November 29, 2018, 07:56:49 AM
narrowing at the end
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: doktorsvet on November 29, 2018, 08:07:29 AM
... and a magnet from sticking

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Low-Q on December 22, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
I'm afraid that the electromagnet is doing all the work here. And if you add a magnet to it, you must supply more energy into it so it can neutralize the field while the rotor magnet escapes.


Vidar
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on December 22, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
About electromagnets holding force, f.e. :

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19706659&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

2 "D" cell battery example : up to 500 pounds holding force
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820817&CC=US&NR=4345174A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820817&CC=US&NR=4345174A&KC=A#)
an electromagnetic wheel concept :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5#)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Low-Q on December 23, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
About electromagnets holding force, f.e. :

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19706659&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=19706659&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)

2 "D" cell battery example : up to 500 pounds holding force
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820817&CC=US&NR=4345174A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820817&CC=US&NR=4345174A&KC=A#)
an electromagnetic wheel concept :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5#)
Who is ignoring what user?
Vidar
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on December 23, 2018, 01:33:12 PM
We can ever ignore fails and wrong measurements by others or about their partial step-by-step success.Better if this can be self experimented by easy and repeatable tests.D.I.Y.
Do not be afraid about time spending , the Flynn Bros. only needed a little over twenty years for their trial&fail& success research and development.
But today by use from newest development : an electromagnetic Hallbach array, most of the problems are resolved.
Sincerely and wishing a "Merry Christmas !"OCWL
post scriptum: conventionally we learn F= BIL, somebody - in Taiwan- researched and defined F= BIL x K,K= Konstante , is it to ignore ?!Search& Research of different thinking in Science and written,publicly, "surprisingly" results.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Low-Q on December 23, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
Ok. I'll let admin know you're littering the forum, or did your computer post the same text over and over?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on December 23, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
Ok. I'll let admin know you're littering the forum, or did your computer post the same text over and over?
What I can write here is : I DID NOT WRITE THIS " blue #79" PHRASES !

Anybody is playing here around and yes the Admin should look after this poster #79 at 01:33:12 P.M.,cause the post #78 from me written has the same timing,01:33:12 P.M. !
2 posts in same second : impossible -physically and technically from my side ! BTW : working from a Tab

Sincerely
OCWL
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on June 24, 2021, 04:31:09 PM
Hello to all,

I am new to this Forum, even though I have been researching and developing F.E for a while by now.
I have debunked and built a learning model to understand how Luling Motor really works...

1-First, Luling found a way to "Neutralize" Magnetic FORCES, NOT the Magnetic Field...and that is based on an old concept of vectoring forces of opposite directions always cancel to zero.
On this event we will have to separate the two main parts on his motor (rotor-stator) to then apply the zeroing opposite formula.
Magnetic forces are very linearly propagated, based on a bisector, a dividing line that divides magnet in exactly two equal sides, perpendicular to the bloch wall.

So, our magnets must be perfectly aligned by this bisector, all, stator and rotor at a certain momentum of rotation.

Here are some images to understand what I explained before...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9159/aS6rIm.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/2976/HEbStE.jpg

Once We achieve a perfect* Neutralization, we could spin our rotor with very little to zero feeling of cogging (repulse) or sticking (attract) ... just like Luling moves with one finger his huge rotor...no stopping, not hard to pass angles...

*A "Perfect Neutralization" is NOT going to be achieved easy,...the setup can NOT be flimsy, with misalignments, have shaft-rotor play, or loose magnets...and there must be a side (either attract or repulse) where we could be able to manually adjust (screw) air gap back and forth to the half millimeter precision...until we feel it is smoothly neutralized.

2-Second, Luling uses Compressed Air (Pneumatics) in order to "brake" this neutralization point before the sticking point, or before the repulse force stops rotor.

The "lines" observed on his only video, are not electrical, nor solenoids or electromagnets of any kind...they are air lines!!

For those who know about Pneumatics, knows that a Linear Actuator is the square box with two lines into it...a linear actuator cylinder piston that pivots the reciprocating bracket attached to a shaft in charge to transfer, back forth movements to the other three "modules...

Observe the picture below from his video...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/8442/OavrFy.png

Then analyze what I wrote...with the help of the circled, checked parts, on img below:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6887/MM5dcb.jpg

Thanks for reading me...and I will be back...

Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on July 04, 2021, 07:49:55 PM
Hello to Everyone,

Well, they always say that "Extraordinary Claims" require "Extraordinary Proof"...and that is exactly what I will do by just uploading below my Video as a Solid, Undeniable Proof... 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM



Thanks and Regards to All

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on July 04, 2021, 08:30:47 PM
Sir
It is wonderful to have/read such a diligent experimenter as yourself,
And more wonderful you share your work !


You do amazing work !


With respect and gratitude , and hoping for a better world!!

Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
There are many amazing open source  builders in these forums
And many more learning and watching and experimenting !

EDIT for comment below
👍
I did send you a pm on builders boards here ( Stefan has made areas so it’s easier for presentation
And managing!
Regardless your choice
Thanks for sharing!!








Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on July 04, 2021, 09:03:53 PM
Sir
It is wonderful to have/read such a diligent experimenter as yourself,
And more wonderful you share your work !


You do amazing work !


With respect and gratitude , and hoping for a better world!!

Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
There are many amazing open source  builders in these forums
And many more learning and watching and experimenting !

Hello Ramset!!

Yes friend, and I highly enjoy so much sharing!!
And this is just the Tip of an Iceberg my friend...and just the "smallest tip" merging from an Ocean of horizons...its huge underneath!!

I will be sharing all components used on this very simple setup...just because they are still utilized in the Automation Industry...and very cheap, plus what a variety to choose from!!

Regards and Happy Four of July!!


Ufopolitics

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: citfta on July 04, 2021, 10:01:29 PM
Hello Ufo,


Welcome to a real forum for overunity projects.  Thanks for sharing your work.  Impressive build and clear presentation.  I am looking forward to your future videos and info.


Take care,
Carroll


 
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on July 05, 2021, 03:48:08 PM
Hello Ufo,


Welcome to a real forum for overunity projects.  Thanks for sharing your work.  Impressive build and clear presentation.  I am looking forward to your future videos and info.


Take care,
Carroll

Thanks Citfta,

I mainly wanted to share on this Thread about  Luling, my findings, since I have seen on YouTube, the efforts Stefan has been doing to find a Patent or any clues that will  lead to a successful build.

I appreciate your nice comments about this video, basically coming from you, being so strictly guided by Science...

And so, I would like to know your personal opinion after seen my video, about Science telling Us that "Magnets have no Energy"...
Or that Magnets possess some kind of "Conservative Energy"...which will not allow them to do any work...
Concluding that Magnets in Stator and Rotor of a Motor will never work...

And yes, I understand I am using an External Power (Air), which is similar to the ICE using Electricity to run...but the power is in the Gas Explosion...right?

Nice to see you around here Carroll!

Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: citfta on July 05, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
Hi again,


I most certainly DO believe it might be possible to harness the energy of magnets.  I don't have time right now to look up and share the videos I have shown on this forum of my many efforts to understand and harness the energy of magnets.  If you look in the builders section of this forum under "Floor's" area you can find my videos of possible motor magnet ideas as well as videos of my testing of the forces of magnets. 


Take care,
Carroll
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: dom444 on August 06, 2021, 05:55:04 AM

It has Been a few years since i did work on this this but  it came to mind again the other day, i had a bit of a brain wave a very simple way to break the magnetic lock [size=78%].[/size]
[size=78%]
[/size]
two small  steel plates mounted on non magnetic material connected to the rotor each side of the magnet at the locking point as per my modeling the two plates will
attract the magnetic field to them and overcome  the lock because the steel blocks are cutting the field from the side they should not lock them selves
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 05, 2021, 12:25:34 AM
It has Been a few years since i did work on this this but  it came to mind again the other day, i had a bit of a brain wave a very simple way to break the magnetic lock [size=78%].[/size]
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two small  steel plates mounted on non magnetic material connected to the rotor each side of the magnet at the locking point as per my modeling the two plates will
attract the magnetic field to them and overcome  the lock because the steel blocks are cutting the field from the side they should not lock them selves

Hello dom444,

Sorry, but your idea will not work...and it is simple why...
Magnetic Fields can not be "cut" nor blocked...much less by steel plates...all you are  doing by adding steel plates is to "expand" the field, no matter where you set this plates...it do not work like that.
Have you tried to build this setup?
I do not think so...
You could use steel plates between poles to "shunt" the field...that means to weaken the field by using kind of a "short circuit"...and still, the field would still be there.

Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kolbacict on September 06, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
Well, we can do that too.
It was done a few years ago.
Only not pneumatics, but an electromagnet-solenoid pulls off a permanent magnet.
Device V-gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2021, 03:44:19 PM
I am pulsing a ferrite rod with a reverse bias neo backing magnet through the center of a ring magnet and shiting the field polarity of the ring. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeeivXPsuro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeeivXPsuro)

The rod retracts itself and supplies a reverse pulse to boot. This power pulse is free power. This free pulse is equal in power to the primary input pulse. This motor would be Overunity by the percentage of BEMF recovered from the coil's backspike!
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
There may be an additional sheer to push pull power ratio to the already OU design. There appears to be a strong advantage!

Coupled tub motor's would allow for accurate output power measurements.

Lulling oscillates ferrite between magnet poles with a clumsy cam and shaft. Same trick.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 06, 2021, 06:47:36 PM
Well, we can do that too.
It was done a few years ago.
Only not pneumatics, but an electromagnet-solenoid pulls off a permanent magnet.
Device V-gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8)

Hello kolbacict,

Lüling Motor does not uses electromagnets, nor any electricity to run,...and that is the main point...
The moment that an electromagnet is utilized, it is just another Electromagnetic Motor, out of the thousands types and models out there...period!!

Now find me out there, a Magnetic Motor, that only uses Permanent Magnets and Compressed Air...none, except Lüling.

I could have done that too, of putting electromagnets galore...as well...  ;)

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2021, 07:48:49 PM
Luling is "Sheering" magnet poles with a ferrite keeper. The principle of operation is unique and distinct regardless of the power mode.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2021, 08:00:21 PM
The pneumatic version does not use the same shield effect. The builder substituted the compressed air force to power the unlatching.

Look closely at Luling's schematic and you will see he rocks a ferrite keeper to the side to unlatch the attraction. This puts the shear force to work rather then the brute pull apart of the magnets by compressed air force.

The attraction is to the backing magnet behind the ferrite. This is the single most important thing to understand about this type of motor.

It would require very little pulse power to neutralize the ferrite with an electric coil. An attraction Bedini in Adam's resonance would be equally overunity.

A high perm ferrite "Orbo" style toroid would attract and neutralize the opposite magnets with the greatest minimum of power. The input power to run four finely tuned Luling motors at full speed with "Orbo" neutralization coils would not lift the needle off the resting peg of an amp meter.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: conradelektro on September 06, 2021, 08:16:09 PM

Lüling Motor does not uses electromagnets, nor any electricity to run,...and that is the main point...
The moment that an electromagnet is utilized, it is just another Electromagnetic Motor, out of the thousands types and models out there...period!!

Now find me out there, a Magnetic Motor, that only uses Permanent Magnets and Compressed Air...none, except Lüling.



Hello Ufopolitics,


compressed air has to be compressed and that costs energy. I gues you use a compressor driven by an electric motor.


Does the Lüling Motor generate more energy than is necessary to compress the air which keeps it turning?


It is difficult to measure, but it should be measured.


Do you claim overunity?


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2021, 08:59:27 PM
The Luling compressed air motor rotor does two entire reveloutions from one release! Luling's repulsion force must be thousands of times greater than any shearing force that might be expended by a neutralizing Orbo pulse. It looks like the builder keeps the attraction magnet retracted for the second rotor round. This would require two pulses of the Orbo coil.

Half Luling's Power must come from the attraction force. A second Orbo coil would turn it into a KeYho masking attraction design.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 06, 2021, 11:53:15 PM
Looks like this. An Alnico Flynn would work well to latch off with double neos between the two 3 stator pairs.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 07, 2021, 04:35:10 PM

Hello Ufopolitics,


compressed air has to be compressed and that costs energy. I gues you use a compressor driven by an electric motor.


Does the Lüling Motor generate more energy than is necessary to compress the air which keeps it turning?


It is difficult to measure, but it should be measured.


Do you claim overunity?


Greetings, Conrad

Hello Conradelektro,

Nope, I did NOT claim Overunity...since I need an external source of Energy to operate it...
Not yet...hahahaha
You are right, Air needs to be compressed...but what a simple operation man!!...compared to "building" some gasoline or Diesel Fuel to fill your tank in order to run your car Uh?

There are ways to use a compressor as Closed Pneumatic System...it is already out there...the suction part of compressor is done from a low pressure tank...where all the air pistons and valves exhaust to...while the high pressure tank supplies the required psi to keep system running. Compressor has two functions here...as a purge valve from low to high tanks...and as compressor of air... ;D

And yes, of course a secondary air motor could also be running just the compressor.

Regards

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 07, 2021, 05:03:09 PM
The pneumatic version does not use the same shield effect. The builder substituted the compressed air force to power the unlatching.

Look closely at Luling's schematic and you will see he rocks a ferrite keeper to the side to unlatch the attraction. This puts the shear force to work rather then the brute pull apart of the magnets by compressed air force.

The attraction is to the backing magnet behind the ferrite. This is the single most important thing to understand about this type of motor.

It would require very little pulse power to neutralize the ferrite with an electric coil. An attraction Bedini in Adam's resonance would be equally overunity.

A high perm ferrite "Orbo" style toroid would attract and neutralize the opposite magnets with the greatest minimum of power. The input power to run four finely tuned Luling motors at full speed with "Orbo" neutralization coils would not lift the needle off the resting peg of an amp meter.

Hello Synchro1,

You are right...I used a different setup than Lüling uses on his running prototype on video.

But before going into details...let me say this...please!

In order to fully understand Lüling Principle of Operation, you must FIRST understand his NEUTRALIZATION process.
If you do not...then you all would be making a lot of assumptions and theorizing over wrong conclusions, due to incorrect understanding.

Neutralization is based on balancing as close to ZERO as possible, by using two opposed forces of about same magnitude...simple
Lüling uses ATTRACTION to propulse Rotor.
I used Repulsion to propulse my rotor.
Both are based on the same principle.

Once you have a Neutralized System, based on a REPULSION versus an ATTRACTION Force, opposed and easy to spin freely its rotor...
Now, whenever you weaken, anyone of the two forces...the other one, will increase to a maximum capacity.

I weakened my ATTRACTION side, by spreading the gap with the air piston assistance...therefore, unleashing the Highest REPULSION Force at 180º...NOW, this "momentum" when I turn OFF Neutralization takes place at a certain specific point...after magnets have passed the BISECTOR ALIGNMENT, according to the desired ROTATION DIRECTION...CW or CCW.

Lüling weakens the REPULSION Side, when the massive steel arc swings forward and seats exactly at the GAP of the Repulsion side, thanks to its SQUARE HOLE, allows it to travel exactly between both magnets, one at rotor, other one at Stator.
Repulsion weakens just because magnets will no longer repulse between them, but instead, BOTH would be ATTRACTED to that Massive Steel Plate seating exactly at their gap.
Then at exactly 180º, the ATTRACTION Side will gain FULL CAPACITY...attracting rotor to align at a DEAD CENTER POINT....

But then, Neutralization would be turned ON, just before the "Sticking CENTER POINT" or TDC...and Rotor passes freely because Plate has RETRACTED and REPULSION gained its STRENGTH BACK...NEUTRALIZATION is back ON.

Finally...this neutralization process needs to take place TWICE PER RPM...exactly as Lüling explains on his video...not one word less, not one word more...

Simple stuff guys!!... ;D

Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 07, 2021, 05:20:51 PM
Hello to ALL,

A couple of things I would like to clarify here are...

1- I use Compressed Air Piston to ASSIST in turning OFF Neutralization, a mechanical spring, built in piston will retract it MECHANICALLY or TURN BACK ON Neutralization (just because I am not using a DOUBLE ACTION PISTON)...BUT, the Compressed Air Piston NEVER runs the Rotor guys!!

If I take off ALL MAGNETS from my setup...and just leave Air components...you could spin that rotor as much as you please....and full closing of the loop in rotation WILL NEVER, EVER take place without the Magnets on.

2- In my video, when Motor is fully running with the two actuating rods to valve...and then I pulled that Knob outwards, and hold it....I am actually CHOKING the Motor.
Just like when you put your open hand in the Air suction Throttle of your Gas Engine...just to observe how long it takes to regain its operating RPM's when you take hand off...

On video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM at minute 25:34 on

Conclusion: Magnets are the ONLY ones Propelling Rotor to a full speed....and out of the Four Magnets I used, ONLY TWO in the REPULSION SIDE are the ones in charge of running the Rotor.

Just wanted to make sure you all understand this points.

Thanks

Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2021, 05:48:18 PM
@Ufopolitics,

Thanks for the clear explanation. The hi perm ferrite "Orbo" neutralization coil between the stator and repulsion rotor magnet still offers more efficiency and control then Luling's clumsy mechanism.  The motor rotor has to stop and go backwards to recock after a complete revolution right?

The COP should improve driven by Mosfet.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2021, 06:38:46 PM
A GAP coil like the one pictured above would run the motor from the repulsion neutralization pulse with Mosfet timing and neodymium magnets.

The critical factor is wether the input to load the gate to TDC by neutralization is less than equal to the force of the gate release or not? The gate force is usually equal to the loading force. Luling's design may add advantage to one side.

The action is fascinating because as Ufopoltics explains, the rotor stops and reverses direction a few degrees to load and release the gate! Luling's design may have unbalanced the force ratio. Definitely worth taking a closer look at!

Luling's obsolete patent compares to a camshaft distributor and mechanical contact points for automotive ignition. Luling's design apparently trips the keeper with rotor tourque by camshaft and axle arm.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kolbacict on September 07, 2021, 07:59:59 PM
Quote
Nope, I did NOT claim Overunity...since I need an external source of Energy to operate it...
Well, yes. I understood this from this text.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 07, 2021, 08:10:48 PM
Cool video from Ramondslab.

"It lifts it up and shoots it forward"! Ray's shotgun effect :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSO9seITLc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuSO9seITLc)

Ray shows the repulsion force greatest when the stator face of his ferrite keeper is perpendicular to the opposite pole magnet. A side shot of Luling's keeper appears to be trapezoidal.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kolbacict on September 08, 2021, 11:22:10 AM
I think, the magnet circled in red make correct circular movements?
Is it possible to place it not on a rod, but on a rotating non-magnetic disk?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 08, 2021, 04:36:38 PM
Well, yes. I understood this from this text.

Hello kolbacict,

Well, that "text" was taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_motor


And it basically says that it is "impossible" to make a Motor, where Stator and Rotor are based on Permanent Magnets...that it "lingers" in the "Parascience" and even fall into "esoterism"....HAHAHAHAHA...LOL

And this is the reason WHY, I COMPLETELY REFUSE to involve ANY Electromagnets in my design, AT ALL!!

Just because I rather use AIR, WATER, or anything, except dependence on a Magnetic Field generated by a Coil WITHIN the Motor I am showing...

That it is very close to a  Motion  Perpetual Machine?...DEFINITELY YES!!

But that I am claiming "Overunity" on this Air dependent Motor?...NOPE...

This is just a "Learning Tool" as I mentioned on my video...I can build a much more robust and clever prototype, based on Aluminum, Brass, Steel...then We will be talking about "Overunity"...because Then, and only then, I will be inserting Generating Coils and measuring Output in V & A...

However, this "Learning Tool" develops over 400 RPM's with just Four, very small 1/2 inch Neos ...and no, it don't look like a clumsy, small little toy that looks like a Musical Rythm or a METRONOME...LOL

imagine a firing order type, metal built prototype...with six Modules of Six Magnets per plates...or eight...

That it can run a Compressor?
You can bet your Arse it would!!

Regards


Ufopolitics

Guys, my logo here, may show the word "Newbie" but do NOT FOOL yourselves by that little word...I have been around for a very long time.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 08, 2021, 05:00:51 PM
Probably something between " theory of sonics" by Georgu Constantinescu and
internal energy/external energy from fluids by Israel Hirshberg ?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kolbacict on September 08, 2021, 07:38:12 PM
Quote
Guys, my logo here, may show the word "Newbie" but do NOT FOOL yourselves by that little word...I have been around for a very long time.
At least I don't think so.
Did Luling have pneumatics or hydraulics in his device?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 08, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
At least I don't think so.
Did Luling have pneumatics or hydraulics in his device?

You do not think WHAT?
Finally WTF DO I CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME?

Who should we say is a NEWBIE or better called, an IGNORANT in Here?

I get SMARTER responses in YouTube than in this place...incredible!!
And YouTube is NOT a MEMBERSHIP place where a lot of "supposedly experienced" people log in...LOL

Take a closer look at images below...and if you still say it don't have PNEUMATICS...It is just "simply" because you know jack sh*t about it!!

It is a 1080 HD Image...So it could be clearly seen the Air Valve, Air Piston, Air Solenoid Valves, plus all the Aluminum Lines...running all around the Motor!!

So, either you are blind or Stupid...simple

And for your "knowledge" smart a$$, Hydraulics Systems are TOO SLOW to be even mentioned as a possibility on this device, the way it acts and moves...it just shows me "Your great Hero Experience"...LOL
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kolbacict on September 09, 2021, 09:08:31 AM
Quote
You do not think WHAT?
I think you are not a newbie. :)
p.s.If the air pump of the Luling's device is driven by the magnetic motor itself,but by not elektromotor ,   then this changes the matter.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2021, 11:17:06 AM
Mario Gudec's 3d shows magnet Arcs on the rotor : A latching relay could replace the mechanical mechanisem. It looks like the trigger magnets just slip the attraction pole entirely and that the motor is powered by the repulsion alone. The rods over the trigger magnets must be shielding material. Ramondslab has a shielding video that shows how to use this Gimmick. The motor is powered by rotating and returning the rods 45 degrees.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2021, 03:33:34 PM
Luling's "45 degree Rocking Rods" must have magnetic shielding properties. The force to compress and latch the springs comes from the repulsion between the stator and rotor magnets.

Ray powers a rotor by flipping at 45 degrees coupled with shield alignment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8uPhKwjG4
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 09, 2021, 06:08:53 PM
One thing is for certain: Luling's keeper rod flips when the neutral zone appears. Gudec's 3d shows where the traveller magnets unlatch in repulsion from the middle force of the rotor magnets. 4 points of repulsion converge for the power stroke! The springs assist the weaker power stroke.

A close inspection of Gudec's schematic shows staggered lines at 45 degrees along the keeper cam shaft. I think it would take a little offset to get it to spin. That may help explain why there are two cams!
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 14, 2021, 04:06:17 PM
Hello,


I am sorry, but this guy, Mario Gudec, (see video below) has it all wrong  on his 3D CAD setup about Lüling...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw

His Stator Magnets are mounted on springs??
He adds an electric "Motor" in his little yellow box, which supposedly spins the whole shaft?

All of the above is WRONG!!

His Magnetic Polarizations are also wrong...

He does not even mention the word NEUTRALIZATION...and that is the basic knowledge required to understand Lüling Motor.

Plus, I will repeat myself AGAIN!!...Lüling does NOT uses any Electrical Motors nor coils to achieve rotation on ANY of his Motors.

The only electrical coils Lüling uses are the two Air Valve Solenoids in the front of Motor, at right and left upper ends.

Come on Guys...just because He shows some nice 3D Colored CAD's...that is enough to convince You?

Has He done any REAL BUILT PROTOTYPE, to back up his claims?

Absolutely Zero, NONE!!...But, People believe his drawings are correct...hahahahaha


Cheers



Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2021, 04:38:59 PM
Hello,


I am sorry, but this guy, Mario Gudec, (see video below) has it all wrong  on his 3D CAD setup about Lüling...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw)

His Stator Magnets are mounted on springs??
He adds an electric "Motor" in his little yellow box, which supposedly spins the whole shaft?

All of the above is WRONG!!

His Magnetic Polarizations are also wrong...

He does not even mention the word NEUTRALIZATION...and that is the basic knowledge required to understand Lüling Motor.

Plus, I will repeat myself AGAIN!!...Lüling does NOT uses any Electrical Motors nor coils to achieve rotation on ANY of his Motors.

The only electrical coils Lüling uses are the two Air Valve Solenoids in the front of Motor, at right and left upper ends.

Come on Guys...just because He shows some nice 3D Colored CAD's...that is enough to convince You?

Has He done any REAL BUILT PROTOTYPE, to back up his claims?

Absolutely Zero, NONE!!...But, People believe his drawings are correct...hahahahaha


Cheers



Ufopolitics

@Ufopolitics,

Let's say the drawing's correct. Would the Cams work together or would they alternate?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 14, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://gehtanders.de/friedrich-lueling-magnetmotor/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://gehtanders.de/friedrich-lueling-magnetmotor/)




compared


http://www.rexresearch.com/kenyon/kenyon.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/kenyon/kenyon.htm) magnetic force decrease or increase or neutralizing concept


Lueling his 4x4 magnet motor


with


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5)




only magnetic : a claim


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920423&CC=DE&NR=4033061A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920423&CC=DE&NR=4033061A1&KC=A1)


citing documents : !


btw : https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://gehtanders.de/Downloads/NET0715S26.pdf&usg=ALkJrhhYadwdk5bFh0gONL4HeAJJVOpVzQ (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://gehtanders.de/Downloads/NET0715S26.pdf&usg=ALkJrhhYadwdk5bFh0gONL4HeAJJVOpVzQ)



 Meanwhile
he think the engine so far
to have perfected that he
him in the UFO newsreel                            UFA : Universum Film AG, kurz/short = Ufa
could imagine for the first time.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 14, 2021, 05:11:50 PM
@Ufopolitics,

Let's say the drawing's correct. Would the Cams work together or would they alternate?

Hello Synchro1,

The "cams" as you call them...and Gudec shows Four (4) Plus Two on each Stator...are only on the Motor that is NOT running, but the prototype he spins with his fingers...
The Running Motor, and the one I am following, and reproducing, just because it is running, plus seen in more detail...does not have "Magnetic Cams", but instead, they are Transfer Rods for the Angular Mechanic Movements...for the Steel Arc that reciprocates back and forth in the back...and...Both Transferring Shafts are only moved by air pistons and a pivot bracket seen on Right Left upper side, in the front plate.

We can NOT mix both Models!!...as they are different, same principle, but different in Structure

That prototype Luling shows next to him, not running...and that He spins the Rotor and "Cam"...has Two Modules only.
And the Motor that is running, has Four Modules of Rotors and Steel Arc Plates.

That not running motor we all know absolutely nothing...and "theorizing" or "imagine" is all we can do...
While the Running Model...has many different angles of view...PLUS, it is Running!!

P.D: But, still, Gudec Drawing is NOT correct!!


Cheers
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 14, 2021, 05:21:18 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://gehtanders.de/friedrich-lueling-magnetmotor/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://gehtanders.de/friedrich-lueling-magnetmotor/)




compared


http://www.rexresearch.com/kenyon/kenyon.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/kenyon/kenyon.htm) magnetic force decrease or increase or neutralizing concept


Lueling his 4x4 magnet motor


with


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19720623&CC=FR&NR=2112768A5&KC=A5)




only magnetic : a claim


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920423&CC=DE&NR=4033061A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19920423&CC=DE&NR=4033061A1&KC=A1)


citing documents : !


btw : https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://gehtanders.de/Downloads/NET0715S26.pdf&usg=ALkJrhhYadwdk5bFh0gONL4HeAJJVOpVzQ



 Meanwhile
he think the engine so far
to have perfected that he
him in the UFO newsreel
could imagine for the first time.

Hello,

What is your point?

Neutralization is only utilized as a SWITCH...

1- By Turning Neutralization ON...Magnets in the Rotor, Spin Freely.
2- By Turning Neutralization OFF in JUST ONE of the Two Interactions (Attract or Repulse), it ENHANCES, STRENGHTEN, UNLEASHES the other one.
3- Neutralization goes back ON, In order for rotor Magnets to pass the Sticking Point...or to pass the repulsion Cogging...depending which Interaction You are using to Spin Rotor...Repulse or Attract.

That simple Guys...


Cheers
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2021, 05:22:02 PM
The magnets in Gudec's drawing can either back up together or retract one at a time. Reducing the repulsion on one side only should cause rotation. Moving them together would result in cancelation. The firing sequence would follow. Alternate retraction might couple with a simultaneous one on the attraction stroke.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 14, 2021, 05:24:07 PM
Ufopolitics,


description :


The rotation of the magnetic motor is 290 rpm.


During this time, the magnetic force is neutralized 580 times.


It can therefore be assumed that the stator has built in two opposing magnets, the magnetic force of which can be variably neutralized.


1 switch per stator  ? 1 switch for the 4 stators ?


The fifth its function : commutation ? motor-wheel  weight counter-mass ?


1 switch for 4x  90° geometric  balanced pm position = 4 stators x 90° = 360° = 1 rotation from the shaft-wheel
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 14, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
Ufopolitics,


description :


The rotation of the magnetic motor is 290 rpm.


During this time, the magnetic force is neutralized 580 times.


It can therefore be assumed that the stator has built in two opposing magnets, the magnetic force of which can be variably neutralized.


1 switch per stator  ? 1 switch for the 4 stators ?


1 switch for 4x  90° geometric  balanced pm position = 4 stators x 90° = 360° = 1 rotation from the shaft-wheel

It is correct, Luling Motor spins at 290 RPM's, and Neutralization switches  by Two Times per RPM, or 580 Times @ 290 RPM.

It simply means that the Rotor has Two Magnets, set at 180º...and also Two Magnets in Stators, also at 180º... per Module, the running Motor has Four Modules.

For Neutralization to take place, you must Unbalance or weaken one of the two magnets in Stator, now, this magnet being used as "The Switch" will NOT spin rotor!! so ONLY one set of Magnets (Rotor-Stator) are actually running Motor...So this "only working magnet" needs to be neutralized Two times per RPM...Understand?

Did You see my Video about this?

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM)

https://imageshack.com/a/yvsw7/1 (https://imageshack.com/a/yvsw7/1)

Cheers
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 14, 2021, 06:03:20 PM
Ufopolitics,


my magnet motor research goes more than twenty years back !


other example https://patents.google.com/patent/US3811058A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US3811058A/en)  to https://patents.google.com/patent/US4345174A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US4345174A/en)


And when You relates such precise constructed motor construction like Lueling his prototypes so we have to calculate with 20 Euros and more


as mass price per Kg ! International average ! G7 : 30 Euros+/Kg !


To get it cheaper the change to pm/em is easier and less mass using !






I only overshowed shortly Your vid,without serious study,but I remark that the evolution steps are more complicated than "outsider" thinks to align the forces/their actions right !


Fix rotation/min or variable : ?  the next question !


Lueling motor output to gear/transmission ?

I am not technology-oriented but per unit output costs calculating !


Target : 1 Euro-cent/KWh by permanent work output ,for the generator-owner the price !
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 14, 2021, 07:03:11 PM
IancaIV,

This Lüling Motor research and development is not to start "commercializing it" !!

To me, this Motor is beyond than using it to run a Home Generator...this is beyond searching for applications!!!

This Motor is based on Permanent Magnets on Rotor and Stator...which happens that our World Academy says, magnets have NO ENERGY...

I respect your over 20 years of research into magnetism...
I have been researching plus building magnetic motors, plus Electric Motors from SCRATCH, for also decades...so  what?
I have Patents in  the USPTO...so what?

This Motor could easily be built in Carbon Fibers, and composites fibers, like KEVLAR, Fiberglass...etc,etc...since it runs VERY COLD!!

But you wrote:

Quote
I only overshowed shortly Your vid,without serious study,

So, you do not pay any importance That I have shown a Magnetic Motor that can go FASTER than Luling??!!...400+ RPM's?

I can make a 3600 RPM Motor...based on Luling Tech...that simple...

See the HUGE difference, is that I not only can "research" but I CAN ALSO BUILD REAL MOTORS!!!


Bye



Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 14, 2021, 08:15:06 PM

Je sais : TOUCHÉ ! Avec ".....without serious ....." ! Context ! And writer/reader day-by-day priorities !



IancaIV,

This Lüling Motor research and development is not to start "commercializing it" !!


To me, this Motor is beyond than using it to run a Home Generator...this is beyond searching for applications!!!

This Motor is based on Permanent Magnets on Rotor and Stator...which happens that our World Academy says, magnets have NO ENERGY...

Actually UNIKAT, An EXPONAT,Anti-"AXIOM"/THESIS -q.e.d.-DEMONSTRATION-MODEL for Your WORLD ACADEMY

I respect your over 20 years of research into magnetism...

                                                                  NOT ONLY !
I have been researching plus building magnetic motors, plus Electric Motors from SCRATCH, for also decades...so  what?
I have Patents in  the USPTO...so what?

                           Fine to hear,unrelated and unimportant ! But Your experience representing !

Probably You know that granted USPTO technical standart patents applications are often as WIPO application their international granting denied by the a.DE =german and b.EP= Munich-DenHaag PCT office !


                                                                           Not new !
Only to think about national "patent grant" worth international !
And the patentlawyer work related international research about "novelty" !
I assume 10 000+ patent/utility models publications with object "magnet motor"(only magnet !) and claims to find in the international archives ! 1870-2021






AND opposition period to patent grant is without time limit ever during "granted period" as wrong decision revisable  !

                Not good for bad informated investors and inventors (reinvented for the x time the same wheel!

                                      errare investors and inventors daily life est



This Motor could easily be built in Carbon Fibers, and composites fibers, like KEVLAR, Fiberglass...etc,etc...since it runs VERY COLD!!

Motor baking ? Layer-by-layer , Fibers :BAYER "plastics instead steel" ,ic-engine from plastics ,Ferrari chassis cheap ?


But you wrote:

So, you do not pay any importance That I have shown a Magnetic Motor that can go FASTER than Luling??!!...400+ RPM's?


After some hours thinking and writing and reading You should understand that "serious study" from a video/audio-information package is relatively "out of time ",for me !

serious=concentrated

I did not write that I will never deal with Your experimental offer !

400 RPM+ the Lueling prototypes,do You not assume that he also calculated with higher numbers and forces ? Car drive !

I can make a 3600 RPM Motor...based on Luling Tech...that simple...



See the HUGE difference, is that I not only can "research" but I CAN ALSO BUILD REAL MOTORS!!!

No,there is no difference in result : Your solution is expensive = ergo economical UNNUETZ/USELESS ,but as EXPO-/Museum-artefact to see !


There is NO PHYSICAL WORLD ACADEMY (in existence),also not "science united " !

Bye


energy is matter


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1)


also magnets represents matter ergo compact energy






idiotic WORLD ACADEMY members properly biogenerator conversion mass representing ,body energy recycling :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931223&CC=DE&NR=9312668U1&KC=U1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931223&CC=DE&NR=9312668U1&KC=U1)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: kolbacict on September 16, 2021, 06:31:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMma3OJUHhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMma3OJUHhs)
Excuse me, what is this?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 17, 2021, 10:00:11 PM
https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/UN-Bericht-2-7-Grad-Erwaermung-drohen-article22811442.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/UN-Bericht-2-7-Grad-Erwaermung-drohen-article22811442.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)




This Motor could easily be built in Carbon Fibers, and composites fibers, like KEVLAR, Fiberglass...etc,etc...since it runs VERY COLD!!


https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1841544A2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1841544A2/en)

5. The aircraft do not generates CO2 and do not contribute to earth warming process, on the contrary, it lowers the air temperature thus this engine is highly environmental.


  Hirshberg rotative external/internal energy conversion device with Lueling magnet motor as blade shaft drive !?

           earth average temperature decreaser ? more effective(physical/economical) than CO2 air scrubber ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#:~:text=The%20Virgin%20Earth%20Challenge%20was,materially%20in%20global%20warming%20avoidance.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 18, 2021, 05:01:12 PM
https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/UN-Bericht-2-7-Grad-Erwaermung-drohen-article22811442.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/UN-Bericht-2-7-Grad-Erwaermung-drohen-article22811442.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)




This Motor could easily be built in Carbon Fibers, and composites fibers, like KEVLAR, Fiberglass...etc,etc...since it runs VERY COLD!!


https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1841544A2/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1841544A2/en)

5. The aircraft do not generates CO2 and do not contribute to earth warming process, on the contrary, it lowers the air temperature thus this engine is highly environmental.


  Hirshberg rotative external/internal energy conversion device with Lueling magnet motor as blade shaft drive !?

           earth average temperature decreaser ? more effective(physical/economical) than CO2 air scrubber ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#:~:text=The%20Virgin%20Earth%20Challenge%20was,materially%20in%20global%20warming%20avoidance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#:~:text=The%20Virgin%20Earth%20Challenge%20was,materially%20in%20global%20warming%20avoidance).


This cited Patent above is an AIR Wind Turbine based design...it uses INLET AIR to propel blades.
A completely DIFFERENT SETUP than Lüling Magnet Motor!!
Just like comparing Apples versus Bananas.


Lüling uses Air as an ASSISTING SYSTEM, not as a MAIN SYSTEM TO SPIN THE ROTOR.


In my Video I demonstrated CLEARLY, that Air is used TO BRAKE, SWITCH OFF, the EQUILIBRIUM that NEUTRALIZATION DOES to Opposed Magnetic Forces.


Pneumatics, in Lüling case, is just like Electric Ignition does in the ICE Engine, it assists for the Engine Fuel to Explode...HOWEVER, as in DIESEL ENGINES, Ignition Timing is NOT REQUIRED, except to start the Diesel Engine, once it warms up, it starts without the GLOW PLUGS.


AND PLEASE, READ ME WELL, IANCAIV:


I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE!!
I AM NOT HERE TO "WIN" ANY PRICES!!, BECAUSE I DO NOT GIVE A DARN THING ABOUT IT.


I am not here to compare Lüling to ANY other Patent out there!!


I am ONLY here to TEACH WHOEVER IS INTERESTED to know more about Lüling, or want to build my setup, I will help ONLY REAL BUILDERS, who can prove me their prior work.


I DO NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH "THINKERERS" THAT DO NOT BUILD NADA, NOTHING!!!


CAPISCI?, COMPRENDE?, COMPREND PA?, UNDERSTAND?


Great, so do not waste your time answering my post here.

I APPRECIATE IT




Ufopolitics


P.D: Magnets are NOT just "Simple Matter"...Magnets have Polarization and far more complex characteristics than PLAIN Matter...
"Matter is Energy" is an ABSTRACT from the "Theory of Relativity"...NOT APPLIED when it comes to Permanent Magnets...again, Apples and Bananas


Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 18, 2021, 05:13:19 PM
AND PLEASE, READ ME WELL, IANCAIV:  ;)  I-A,wuenschte sich der bajuwarische Esel


The Hirshberg device/machine uses as drive a motor (pneumatic/combustive/electric/....... )  Look its "mosaics" !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=CN&NR=104047814A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20140917&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=CN&NR=104047814A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20140917&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


the closed heat pump cycle in conjunction with the Ranque-Hilsch tube process : rotative








          Verstand,verstehen und daraus Vernunft     Mind,understand and from it reason    :

https://www.mpg.de/7940256/koordination_sprechen_denken (https://www.mpg.de/7940256/koordination_sprechen_denken)
https://www-mpg-de.translate.goog/7940256/koordination_sprechen_denken?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-mpg-de.translate.goog/7940256/koordination_sprechen_denken?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)


First think, then talk?                                                           First read 1x,2x,3x,think,1x,2x,3x and then talk about it !


 For the temporal coordination of speaking and thinking                                        / and reading

https://www-wissenschaft-de.translate.goog/umwelt-natur/wie-wir-denken-und-sprechen-koordinieren/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-wissenschaft-de.translate.goog/umwelt-natur/wie-wir-denken-und-sprechen-koordinieren/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)




                     including ultra-learning and ultra-working results ! CONCENTRATION !




btw : First think, then talk                     tribunal-level : think,decide(Yes,No,left,right,...),judge(= justify !)       


  bible-order ( bible : ancient Constitution,judge  breview) ! Evangelist Matthaeus







wmbr


Lanca


poste scriptum : CAPISCI?, COMPRENDE?, COMPREND PA?, UNDERSTAND?


                         italiano    hispanics           france/french     anglo-saxonic       I glov es ,deutsches Platt ;D  ,saxonischer Infinitiv : glauben


                       https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.fr.php?verb=capere (https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.fr.php?verb=capere)


                       https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.fr.php?verb=prendere (https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.fr.php?verb=prendere)

                       
                       https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.php?verb=stare (https://latin.cactus2000.de/showverb.php?verb=stare)


                     


                        COMPREND PA?                    Je comprends pas                          PA/O = der Stab,the Staff,der Knueppel

                                                                          Je ne comprends pas


I DO NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH "THINKERERS" THAT DO NOT BUILD NADA, NOTHING!!!  I clearly also not !

P.D: Magnets are NOT just "Simple Matter"...Magnets have Polarization and far more complex characteristics than PLAIN Matter..."Matter is Energy" is an ABSTRACT from the "Theory of Relativity"...NOT APPLIED when it comes to Permanent Magnets...again, Apples and Bananas


Somebody wrote about "simple matter" versus "complicated matter " ?


        "Matter is Energy" ,   e=hv=hc/λ     


    this represents  only 1 from 3 differrent formulas in Klaus Rassbach " new matter " document/application


https://www.britannica.com/science/matter (https://www.britannica.com/science/matter)
matter, material substance that constitutes (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/constitutes) the observable universe (https://www.britannica.com/science/universe) and, together with energy, forms the basis of all objective phenomena.


At the most fundamental level, matter is composed of elementary particles known as quarks (https://www.britannica.com/science/quark) and leptons (https://www.britannica.com/science/lepton) (the class of elementary particles that includes electrons (https://www.britannica.com/science/electron)).
Quarks combine into protons (https://www.britannica.com/science/proton-subatomic-particle) and neutrons (https://www.britannica.com/science/neutron) and, along with electrons, form atoms of the elements of the periodic table (https://www.britannica.com/science/periodic-table), such as hydrogen (https://www.britannica.com/science/hydrogen), oxygen (https://www.britannica.com/science/oxygen), and iron (https://www.britannica.com/science/iron-chemical-element).
Atoms may combine further into molecules such as the water molecule (https://www.britannica.com/science/molecule), H (https://www.britannica.com/science/henry-unit-of-inductance)2O.
Large groups of atoms or molecules in turn form the bulk matter of everyday life.


also Apples and Bananas are as matter energy                     ,volume,Kg,colour,aroma,.......
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 18, 2021, 07:23:04 PM
                                                                                    #127 :
Hirshberg rotative external/internal energy conversion device with Lueling magnet motor as blade shaft drive !?


             
And You propably also know,in WIPO descriptions,related their ,the application object,mosaics : ...,not shown,...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#:~:text=The%20Virgin%20Earth%20Challenge%20was,materially%20in%20global%20warming%20avoidance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#:~:text=The%20Virgin%20Earth%20Challenge%20was,materially%20in%20global%20warming%20avoidance)


Did somebody reached the Challenge target,the 11 finalists ?


The Virgin Earth Challenge was a competition offering a $25 million prize for whoever could demonstrate a commercially viable design which results in the permanent removal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_carbon_dioxide_emission) of greenhouse gases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas) out of the Earth's atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere) to contribute materially in global warming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming) avoidance.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#cite_note-1)


The prize was conceived by Richard Branson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson), and was announced in London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) on 9 February 2007 by Branson and former US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Vice President (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States) Al Gore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Earth_Challenge#cite_note-BBC_Earth_Challenge_Prize_article-2)

However, the prize was never awarded.


                            Prize/Awards/Competitons   independent : which is the best solution !?


                             for global cooling ?


                             https://globalcoolingprize.org/ (https://globalcoolingprize.org/)


                   or       atmospheric CO2 and other GHG reducement ?


                              https://www.greenbiz.com/article/these-companies-are-seeking-turn-carbon-value (https://www.greenbiz.com/article/these-companies-are-seeking-turn-carbon-value)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: citfta on September 18, 2021, 10:57:25 PM
LancaIV


Please stop polluting this thread with your nonsense.  I don't think anyone is interested in the fact you can bury a thread with a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the thread.


There are some of us that are really interested in the subject of this thread.  BUT we are not interested in a bunch of junk linked to from the internet.


Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 18, 2021, 11:26:26 PM
LancaIV


Please stop polluting this thread with your nonsense.  I don't think anyone is interested in the fact you can bury a thread with a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the thread.


There are some of us that are really interested in the subject of this thread.  BUT we are not interested in a bunch of junk linked to from the internet.


Respectfully,
Carroll


There are some of us that are really interested in the subject of this thread.

Researcher in the object !

 included the #99,100,101 explained compressed air process !

Today,if an idea represents "open source" condition, 100% from the object = the functionable prototype its parts have to become 3d scanned and as C.A.D.-file down-loadable virtualized  !

Lueling 3d-C.A.D.-plan
By given specific material use list  !
commercial material deliverer

The professional and commercial industry will never invest in not "Monopol/e right-applied and granted"-inventions/ideas !
Patent-saved devices : by then ususally : mass production costs per unit x 6 (= 500% margin)as selling price condition!

"open source" means free available information,but also free "open source"-object development !




 By 100% own capital and time lost risk  l !





"open source" can mean : 1500 US$/KW and more accumulated costs for the free energy converter when not mass production becomes reachable !

You know,as professional like You seem,that for prototyping in industry equivalent quality 250 000 US$ is the low cost budget minimum limit for all the known Lueling parts !

Each kit a      100 total  "mass serie"  = 2500 US$ development pre-costs per kit + pure kit-material costs

               a    1000                                   = 250 US$ development pre-costs  per kit + pure kit-material costs

               a 10 000                                =  25 US$  development pre-costs per kit + pure kit-material costs

By 300 000 000 private households only E.U. and U.S. + industrial / transport 10 000 mass production units more as per week output to see,when the economical and ecological targets reaching !
= development pre-costs ≤ 1 US$ per kit !

Even by "no profit= no gain+ no capital tax " financial condition and all works in the "energy converter" development project for free,for months or years !

And when later all parts are ready to become produced , as  converter-kit ,each interested consumer can get it :


                                   by paying from own savings in cash,no legal finance entity will give credit !


                And without permission process the motor/machine is neither allowed to become coupled with the grid


                                                    (investment refinance by surplus energy production )
   
                                                 nor as mobile/vehicle drive ( street legal licence process !)!




                                                             "open source"-living = cash/barter community


                                 This Lüling Motor research and development is not to start "commercializing it" !!

                                                                      What is, his Ufop... , the vision ?

                                                                     Consumer 2025 : Lueling units ?


                                                                     Consumer 2030 : Lueling units ?



2021-1966(the motor in the news) = 55 years

citfa,all information which You have related "Lueling motor" is from internet = Junk risk !



Have a good night ´


OCWL


p.s. : my postes are based by conversation with Luelings-replication-claimer  Ufopolitics and when he states wrong he gets clearly             
         corrections !


         And when passive reader means to give technical well thought  inputs they are invited to do this !


        Interestant the preserving or not from anglistic language rules !


Btw: Carroll, are You male or female (no,I do not ask You about Your age !)     https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Baker_(Schauspielerin (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Baker_(Schauspielerin))




https://theculturetrip.com/europe/germany/articles/a-comprehensive-guide-to-german-etiquette/ (https://theculturetrip.com/europe/germany/articles/a-comprehensive-guide-to-german-etiquette/)



Speaking: the Formal Sie

Many languages have both formal and informal means of addressing others and, if you plan on practicing your German (http://theculturetrip.com/europe/germany/articles/13-uniquely-german-words-and-cultural-concepts/) during your visit, it’s good to differentiate between the two. Sie (you) is the formal way of addressing others, and it is often used with elders, acquaintances, and in professional settings. Feel free to interchange Sie with the person’s name, as Germans tend to make a particular point of doing this. However, leave it up to the older or higher ranking person to decide when it’s time to switch to the friendlier, more informal du (you).


Some use often wrong the You (3.person,singular),you(2.person singular) , in Foren, in real day by day conversation


Also in " practizising (your) English ",WHE and we

class society and socialistic society US-american english


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This Motor is based on Permanent Magnets on Rotor and Stator...which happens that our World Academy says, magnets have NO ENERGY...

       permanent magnet                electro-magnet               coil wrapped pm              electret magnetret         capacitor/captret

https://patents.google.com/patent/PT104078A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/PT104078A/en)


The technical domain of this system is located in the current electromagnetic spectrum.
 However, it is distinguished by the fact that the coils do not have a standardized behavior in relation to the consumption, since they do not have internal resistance, which poses several theoretical questions:

                               edit : low-no resistance = superconductor,RT



according to the law of Ohm R = V / I. With R = 0 and having a voltage V applied to the coil, a theoretical difficulty arises for solving this equation, that is, impossibility or indeterminacy.


By Joule's law w = I2xR we find the same impossibility.


 By Weber's law A = OxRm we have that the magnetic tension which is A is equal to the product of fi by reluctance.

 We continue with the same impossibility.


By the law of Lenz Ei = ΔΦ / At we have that the induced electro-motive force Ei is equal to the division of the cosine variation of fi by the time variation. As the cosine of fi is zero the indetermination holds.


In practice 3 subject to several measurements and tests a residual consumption of 6 mA was found to be more fruit than the power cables than the consumption of the coil.


The value of remains unchanged and equal to zero.

 
Practical situation without known theoretical justification.


                                          World Academy : EE laws or only temporary EE orders ,cw and /or ccw dependent


                                                                    2008 experiments results,we have now 2021

                                                                                 " cosine of fi is zero !
                                                           
                                                                    Ohm      versus        Ohm-invers= Mho = Siemens,Physics unit


                                                                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMGjmmOy_9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMGjmmOy_9w)

                                                                  e(lectrons)V      eA      (eR) instead   e(1/R) or eS
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 19, 2021, 04:04:19 PM
Pardon-me,member ..... ,by no bad intention written : citfa,now correct (cor-rigere):

                         forum-discussion-member citfta !


And I know that You are a "masculinum" case ,the above "Carroll"-question relation We have had some years before !


A well Sunday wishing
and following prosper week




OCWL

p.s.: concentrated working ,included latin/Romanik,english/Anglistik,deutsch/Germanistik observation and controle :


                                       Monitor dirt ? or applied knowledge ?! = " ... , ..."


https://www.britannica.com/science/matter (https://www.britannica.com/science/matter)
matter, material substance that constitutes (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/constitutes) the observable universe (https://www.britannica.com/science/universe) and, together with energy, forms the basis of all objective phenomena.



       "...... and, together with energy, .... "    " .... and, ...."  differing ".... and together with ...."


               In deutscher Sprache die Fragestellung :   Relativ-Satz oder Attribution bzw. attributive Beifuegung  ?


               Grammar rules in Latin,Deutsch,Inglish/English [Ing(el)land  ;) ]

             The Ang(a)elicanic Church : to differ clerical "Angelus" from continental Europe folk "Angeln" language influence


             College or Universitas/University Oxford/Cambridge institutions : founder, belief system ?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism) society reformation is education system reformation,included Justiz/Justice

It will then be fine when the little "fast intelligence acquiring" childs observe their Grands and -Parents and correct wrong meanings ,wrong minds and wrong teachings and wrong wishes and wrong demands !

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnrrLxQEVQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnrrLxQEVQ)


                                               Die falschen ALTEN enterben = ENTMUENDIGUNG

                                             Disinheriting the wrong OLD ones = DISMANTLING




                                       pollution or " 1000+ words come together to form a picture "


                       tool to later REPRAP :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_physics)




I DO NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH "THINKERERS" THAT DO NOT BUILD NADA, NOTHING!!! Individual his opinion !(great letters written !  :o )


THINKER(´ER) builds based by given AXIOM-/THEOREM-"Building" its, the missing, "door-angels" ,probably as "Dreh-Kreuz/Kreis",ccw+cw
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 20, 2021, 04:31:33 PM

           
Hey IancaIV...


Translate this:


GO FUCK YOURSELF.
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND A PIECE OF SHIT



Hope you find the right translation software, because, so far ALL your "Englishen" Translations are a piece of "shitten"...


Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
           
Hey IancaIV...


Translate this:


GO FUCK YOURSELF.
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND A PIECE OF SHIT



Hope you find the right translation software, because, so far ALL your "Englishen" Translations are a piece of "shitten"...


I under-stand Your position,from Your point of view ! But do not me subordinate !


btw: https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Gerichtsstand?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Gerichtsstand?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)


       ( George1 and Jerry Volland actually "complicated/escalation step " relationship)


You know the overunity.com-impressum and the law dominium in application ,here in the forum !?


 BGB and HGB in german shortly written !

You are US-american citizen ? Entering E.U.-Europe each person,in search : international arrest warrant ,can be arrested !
 
Belgian ergo E.U.-valid law !


Each one,also N.A.T.O.-personal ergo also US-americans (with/-out stars or stripes) included, and then be delivered to each legally valid Court !

                                                         International legal mandate !


                              U.S.A. not really "Amigo",but under legal condition,partner !

                            overunity.com : not an "amigo"-forum but open partnership between forum-members


BGB and HGB : the social Constitution books in Germany/B.-R. Deutschland ,actually over-stand the "Lisbon-Contract" !


                      One expression,term to refind in the Constitution :  not 100% recitating : DEUTSCHLAND ZU(aller)ERST


                     DEUTSCHLAND Interests OVER E.U. Interests : meaning,by FOLKS and INTERESTS exploration point of view
 
                                                 status quo as fact  fact as status quo


      The german/deutsche Bildungs-/Wahlvolk can ever democratizise/neutralize this "written standpoint",Constitutional Demand  !


      My stand-point tri-national : Borned in Casablanca/Marokko,mother natural portuguese "Naturality",father german/deutsch


     International, Estade-citizen-membering law : ius sanguis(blood line)   or/and    ius terrestris(geophysical/-political ground)




                     So the Ex-President Donald Trump terminus is allowed : "US-Amerika First" ,as Yankee(Scotch-German) remake !

                     America First =  Uruguay First,Argentina First,Ecuador ....,......







The exploration from the Lueling-motor 2021 :
https://nironmagnetics.com/ (https://nironmagnetics.com/) 


 the developper ,University laboratory invention,estimated the costs with 10 US$/Kg


Actually nironmagnetics their unit/bulk selling price ?






The compressed air machine parts production :


I visited +-2002 the aluminium parts production/producing company https://www.fundinio.pt/fundinio/index.php (https://www.fundinio.pt/fundinio/index.php) ,
they theretime also producing for the international automobile industry,
to get a cost estimation about the exploration potential from the Thomas  Cosby-engine,
(Thomas Cosby ,US-citizen,lived in Chicago/Illinois,now R.I.P.).


The CEO spoke about 30 000 Euros for each aluminium part-mold,the producing parts then aluminium weight worth dependance ( + production facility over-head costs) :


each mold with over 30 000 times parts replication potential ( for a metallic "mold"-piece such a high sum ?)
Figure 4,5 :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=US&NR=5626459A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19970506&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=US&NR=5626459A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19970506&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)

The CEO was fair enough by giving the advice that in Poland the costs would be  (+-2002) 30% less !

( Cosby-engine related : centrifugal casting as alternative ? Lueling CAE parts similar ?)

et cetera .....


The Cosby-engine was never realized !

mold-low cost production concept ?! http://publica.fraunhofer.de/keywords/Lasercav (http://publica.fraunhofer.de/keywords/Lasercav)




https://globalcoolingprize.org/ (https://globalcoolingprize.org/) with Lueling motor ?! Millions times potential !


 ::)
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND A PIECE OF SHIT


My (biological,real world) father was never beaten by me,really seldom (less than our two hands finger number) vulgar insulted !


One time he demanded me, I with 14 years age,to eat the Sunday meal of which I get "puke feeling" :

My response to this act -in situ-theretimes ,translated : ARSCHLOCH !

Ahrensburg.Moltkealle 7a,anno domini 1980 p. Xp.....


   Only one time in our relationship this vular,abstract,expression felt !

(You,Ufopolitics,and the expressions in Your household, dining table/family (a)round ?)

Yes,Our positioning changing, I would ,probably,as same feeling,emphaizing,but not respond by this kind as to read !

( same situation from member citfta estimating !)

GO FUCK YOURSELF.
YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND A PIECE OF SHIT




I wish You all possible success
and much patience during progress

Oliver Christoph Lanc(z)a Waldhelm


p.s.  IANCA + B  to Bianca Lanca or Lancia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Lancia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Lancia)


        Frueher richtete man oder liess richten,sich nicht die Haende dreckig machen,no fingerprint  8)


       How many times the Grands-/father thinks about .....,the mother thinks .....,the son ....,the daughter ..... such "momentum"


       GO FUCK YOURSELF.                                             YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND A PIECE OF SHIT


      but say :


                                                          Go with God !      BUT GO !


                                               Get out of my sight, get out of my life!


My (biological/real world) mother standpoint,annodazumal,has its validity : "DIE SIND vom VOLK !
Poebel,Abschaum,dem (frueherzeitigem) Exodus freigegeben





My father was not beaten by me physically(but by my two brothers), I destroyed his BEING psychological ,after a non forgiveable error by him,during the Imris/Lanca-Waldhelm exploration project 2008 !


https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Y-J5G17VL.__AC_SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg (https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Y-J5G17VL.__AC_SY300_SX300_QL70_ML2_.jpg)


                                                                             Wulfen


                                          He stayed present during the dining table convivio ,physically ! Allowance !


                                          "Darf ich auch noch mal was sagen ?" He died 2013.






                                   I am "Mediator" ,I was between 198. - 2013 "Lot" by table ,by living room.


                                        In many positions,bias,minds the family members changed their view


                                                        Anti-Jewish,Anti-communism,Anti-....




                      I am not in real world ALFA-position searching,but when there is the need or the reazon : I wulf !


                                                      In real world we are face-to-face !






About my fathers,I.N.S.E.A.D.,MBA,eco- society view position :


               trial End 70´:              Application for director post at the World Bank,Washington,D.C./U.S.A.


              "error"                         "diplomatic" response : for this position "over-qualified" ! ;D  Possibly more : wrong political "party book"


                                                  C.D.U.-position,german(his orientation) to differ officially political from C.D.U.-position,portugueses
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 20, 2021, 09:34:41 PM
bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,bla, blaaaaa


So, Ianca, are you a Girlie or a Boy?


I see you linked that Ianca was a "Mistress" of the old King Ferdinand?


So Ianca is a femenine name...so, but do not worry, I really do not care for your sexual preferences!!....by all means, if you are a Transgender, that is fine too!!....I mean, it is OK!!


I am not Homofobic, so do not worry!!




But I do know how you feel, I mean, You have been searching, researching on Magnet Motors for over twenty (20) Long years...and all the sudden, comes this "Newbie" called "Ufopolitics"....and in a Forum on Frederick Luling opened since 2015...this guy showed ALL of us how to really make a Luling Motor...


I mean, after 6 years of long debates, no one came up to NOTICE Air lines, and Air components...but "Theorizing" about coils and little motors...and solenoids, and wires....and BS...




I mean what an embarrassment!!


How can this be possible?


We are all looking like dumbasses !!!




So, yeah, I know how you feel...


Plus all your childhood problems and issues that your father beat you up (and your brothers too) ...what a shame...for your brothers...because maybe you deserved it...a good snapchat...a good punch!!




Hahahahahahaha


But you know what?


According to all your crazy posts, that NONE make sense...You could be diagnosed as "Confused" and "Incapable" too dangerous to just be out loose on the streets of Germany??




You know that people like you, frustrated, bipolar, posting so much crap, and so continuous...could be held in prison because of Mental Illness and a possible harm to inoffensive people out there?

I mean, look at all the Serial Killers plus the Killers that one day got a machinegun and started fire at a multitude of innocent people...They all have VERY similar profiles as you have!!




If I were You...I really would seek for a good Doctor!!




Or maybe you already attended a good Doctor...but You are not taking your DAILY Medication!!




I do not know...but you have serious problems man...
I will tell Hartiberlin, Stefan Hartmann...about your behavior here...all over the entire Forum!!




You would be better off in Hell!!


But God may bless You...


P.D: If I go to Germany...I would be your Boss...and yeah, you would be "my subordinate"....No matter if you would be working in a Whorehouse in Downtown Hamburg...




Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2021, 10:01:53 PM

So, Ianca, are you a Girlie or a Boy?

AND PLEASE, READ ME WELL  ::)  my body showes : masculinum my mind : masculinum       my "question of Lust" : clearly femininum


There is something called First Name and Family Name ! Family : father-side and mother-side




I see you linked that Ianca was a "Mistress" of the old King Ferdinand?

Ferdinand ?         Friedrich,Frederico,Fritz(shortly) !


So Ianca is a femenine name...so, but do not worry, I really do not care for your sexual preferences!!....by all means, if you are a Transgender, that is fine too!!....I mean, it is OK!!

 ::)  No comment ! Silence is sometimes really loud !



I am not Homofobic, so do not worry!!

 ???  Je ne comprends pas !



But I do know how you feel, I mean, You have been searching, researching on Magnet Motors for over twenty (20) Long years...and all the sudden, comes this "Newbie" called "Ufopolitics"....and in a Forum on Frederick Luling opened since 2015...this guy showed ALL of us how to really make a Luling Motor...


By all his freedom this guy/guide has the christian disclosure obligation  ! Just do it (not from me ,but a sportswear company )





I mean, after 6 years of long debates, no one came up to NOTICE Air lines, and Air components...but "Theorizing" about coils and little motors...and solenoids, and wires....and BS...

I never took part from this 6 years long debates,only participates since ,I think,2-3 weeks !

I have to correct the above "2-3 weeks" statement,after review  : #76-80 poste and reaction :


somebody seems to hack sometimes the forum !









I mean what an embarrassment!!


How can this be possible?


We are all looking like dumbasses !!!




So, yeah, I know how you feel...   8)  " blood-brother in mind !? "


Plus all your childhood problems and issues that your father beat you up (and your brothers too) ...what a shame...for your brothers...because maybe you deserved it...a good snapchat...a good punch!!

I can not see in my writings that from father or brother-side I was beated (physically)  ! Not I !


Hahahahahahaha  A,E,I,O,U  Hahehihohu


But you know what?


I think often to believe that I know what ! Really omnipotenti,in success and error  :)




According to all your crazy posts, that NONE make sense...




You could be diagnosed as "Confused" and "Incapable" too dangerous to just be out loose on the streets of Germany??






Btw : many manager today do not come in jail ,cause they led them declare "insane" ! 80% ,4 from 5


                Also a kind of "amnesty",dept reduction, by psychologic expertise !


It is very fine when such a re-/ inventor like You writes so "freely" about such cases !


Investors looses many ,millions,billions !   Thanks some papers called  psychological certificate !


Families their jobs ! Become "junkies",crime cases : perpretator ? victim ?


Repeating Your "american dream" mood : HaHahahahahahaha ( from "insane" error done manager his son  view position)



Do You know the streets of Germany ? I do ! Partially,Germany is 350 000 sqKm great !
Several years in Speyer/Rheinland-Pfalz,in Ahrensburg/S.-H.,in Muenchen/BY !


The streets from thuringian G.D.R.,Iron Curtain time, exclusion zone(Sperrzone)


Spain,Franco-time,Baskia,Vitoria,Madrid/Barcelona,......


The streets of Paris/FR,London/ENG,Bruxelles(open cloake time,70´,rats everywhere,moskitos)/BEL


Riccione/Rimini/ITA

You know that people like you, frustrated, bipolar, posting so much crap, and so continuous...could be held in prison because of Mental Illness and a possible harm to inoffensive people out there?

Frustrated ? Probably ! Demoralized ? Not !


We are in the overunity.com II forum,there was before Forum/Community I !
Many themes were lost from all forum I members ,officially deleted !


The discussion and preview around 2006 : about the Pre-Lehman disaster ! 2007/2008




Oh, it is an error ! When we as people,then called in german : "Patient" are rated as "mental illness"-case this is normally mental hospital case,not prison !
Not to see a great physical difference !
Normally,the US american treatment I do not know !It would be then really easy to jail unwished " minorities",is it not ?
But is it not to read that about 50% from the US citizen are with/under  psycholgical tutorium ?!
Open prisonal society !

I mean, look at all the Serial Killers plus the Killers that one day got a machinegun and started fire at a multitude of innocent people...They all have similar profile as you have!!

innocent : ? point of each life report (positive/negative) view and estimation and validation !

in dubio/doubts(no clarity/clear final result) - pro reo(nominativ  : reus ,also Klage/court claim, Responsibility,Verantwortung,
Angeklagter,impeached,accused meaning) process :


 Indizien/Indication/Fragmente/testemonials = Zeugen/witness



I visited in beginnings from the 80´ the Barter-Clearing-International company in Munich,where the director spoke about one case when an angry freight forwarder took his gun and threatened some members from this company !
He felt himself "cheated" !




If I were You...I really would seek for a good Doctor!!

The last time I was ,let me think,1,5 years before by a Doctora(female,nice ),Centro de Saude !
For first/second Covid-Vacination was not Doktor-visit in need !

Or maybe you already attended a good Doctor...but You are not taking your DAILY Medication!!

I should, against moderated  "high blood pressure", I do not.  ::) You know : "Alterswehwehchen",smoking(only legal "things")



I do not know...but you have serious problems man...


I will tell Hartiberlin, Stefan Hartmann...about your behavior here...all over the entire Forum!!

Do it !
Show him Your written " insult stage" !


for written texte fixation :



Ufopolitics (https://overunity.com/profile/ufopolitics.108190/)
« Reply #134 on: September 20, 2021, 04:31:33 PM »

Quote (https://overunity.com/15864/friedrich-luling-magnet-motor/120/post/quote/560418/last_msg/560425/)



GO FUCK YOURSELF.YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND A PIECE OF SHIT

https://dejure-org.translate.goog/gesetze/StGB/185.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://dejure-org.translate.goog/gesetze/StGB/185.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)


You would be better off in Hell!!


But God may bless You...

Oh,a christianity scholarship showing  ? Arianer (protestant universal church) or Trinitist(catholic world-church ? )


If I go to Germany...I would be your Boss...and yeah, you would be "my subordinate"....No matter if you would be working in a Whorehouse in Downtown Hamburg...


"  I would be your Boss "     veni-vidi-vici like ? Attention,my Brutus et al. -potential ! Pre-christianization era  !


veni-vidi- https://de.euronews.com/2021/08/31/der-letzte-us-soldat-verlasst-afghanistan (https://de.euronews.com/2021/08/31/der-letzte-us-soldat-verlasst-afghanistan)  Grossmaeuler-Sucht


                                   Fahne nicht auf Halbmast,Kapitulation aufgrund der Reality !


                                                                      Milton&Bradley


MB praesentiert :Schiffe versenken !                          RISIKO !                        MB praesentiert : Laender versenken


Felix Austria : denn nun lacht ueber Mexiko immer noch die Sonne,aber ueber die US-Amis,Yankee goes home, die ganze Welt !


Eine Frage der EHRE,Gesichtsverlust : Konsequenz  = Seppuku


The last soldier,Generalmajor Christopher Donahue, Kommandeur der 82. US-Luftlandedivision,is not Japanese ! Ehre ? Schmach !

                                                                                 Saigon 2.0
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


How can this be possible?   


Probably "pi mal Daumen" ?  ::)  (rangefinder)


Theorie und Praxis,in german


About "magnetism" f.e. Heisenberg


Disput(ation/Discussion): Heisenberg and Freiherr/Baron Carl Friedrich von Weizsaecker




We are all looking like dumbasses !!   




We : The individual hyperphysics    Academy   member world-wide ?

                            existencialism   Academy



" Quantentheorie der Ur-Alternativen "  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantentheorie_der_Ur-Alternativen (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantentheorie_der_Ur-Alternativen)


Auch ist die Alternative sicher eine sehr viel fundamentalere Struktur unseres Denkens als das Dreieck. Aber die exakte Durchführung deines Programms stelle ich mir doch außerordentlich schwierig vor. Denn sie wird ein Denken von so hoher Abstraktheit erfordern, wie sie bisher, wenigstens in der Physik, nie vorgekommen ist.




                             to applied Sci-Fi : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/World_line-de.svg/250px-World_line-de.svg.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/World_line-de.svg/250px-World_line-de.svg.png)


                                                 from     E "Ereignis"-point of view


                                                 the above Quantentheory sin´ning


                                 
                     Ufoplitics ,You do not need to go to Hamburg,DESY-visit? ,for comparison


                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking)


                     https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)




                     https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton)  his famous walk ,after self-programming




                   a kind of Quantumspace-pioneer : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2021, 10:16:22 PM
Back to reality,Ufopolitics :


how much help do You/can You expect,from the forum its members  ?

You wrote about own patents,applications,granted or not !
From paper to product,industrial process,mass production !?
From this objects,how many are in use ?
How many units  ?
Industry acceptance,market acceptance !?

For each unit 3-10% inventor fee,from production costs !

Dreaming to be/-come "Millionaer" ?

From 6 millions $ sales ,1 mio $ production costs,30.000-100.000 $ for the inventor/team !Or the inventor is also applicant= 100% owner and also producer,seller = allrounder !

Economist & consultance knowledge !

kickstarter,lowstarter,Rohrkrepierer ?


Each member his great network,as family members,work collegues,academy alumni,military time camerads ,green.orgs-members...... !


Capital-venture entities, estate investment agencies, non-profit/profit-Foundation project capitalizing !?




 Do You want exploration help ?


Or only showing,demonstrating,like Lueling in the video,the functionality ?


I think,it is better ,to leave this  "Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor" thread/topic ,by mutual agreement !




When I can or want to help I will send You a PM,not a Permanent Magnet,but Personal Message !


Last advice : about much what is spoken about ,the permanent/perpetuum mobile is   - is not possible by given point of view or conditioning :




https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/wissenschaft/weltraum/article146335249/Neuer-Rekord-Kosmonaut-war-879-Tage-im-Weltall.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem (https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/wissenschaft/weltraum/article146335249/Neuer-Rekord-Kosmonaut-war-879-Tage-im-Weltall.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui,elem)


New record: Cosmonaut was in space for 879 days




the perpetuum cosmonaut is impossible,a shout out from the Academie Halls ,anno 17... domini


https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_Royale (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acad%C3%A9mie_Royale)
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 21, 2021, 02:19:24 PM
Chill

https://overunity.com/18928/magnetic-force-neutralization-method/msg560038/#msg560038

   and
Magnetic force neutralization by balancing forces

"Magnet force shield 1" @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81ld01
   and
Magnetic force neutralization by balancing forces
              as in
  user GammaRayBurst's
 "pseudo solid"  principles
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 21, 2021, 04:32:44 PM
   and
another magnetic force neutralization by balancing forces @

              https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x59r978
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 22, 2021, 02:53:20 PM
A fourth variation of magnetic force neutralization.

   @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q


      PS
        Nice build UFopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 22, 2021, 04:02:17 PM
This type of device could produce work from permanent magnets, only if the energy
present as the shearing apart (by repulsion) of a given two magnets,  is greater than
the energy present in the direct pulling apart (against attraction) of those same two
magnets.

  see...

@

https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg548052/#msg548052

  best wishes
        floor
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 25, 2021, 06:45:41 PM
A fourth variation of magnetic force neutralization.

   @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q)


      PS
        Nice build UFopolitics


Thanks Floor!


I was trying to keep it as simple as possible in this first video, just a "teaching tool"...however, the air piston does an "overkill" job...meaning too much strength (65 to 70 Newton Meters) plus too much distance in the stroke (1/2 inch) , an excess not really required by the setup of the two pair of 1/2 inch 52 grade cubes Neos...


I recently purchased a small Push-Pull Force Gauge Dynamometer, and am so glad I got this tool!!...I believe without it, is like flying a plane without gages....blind.


I have seen your builds and tests, very impressive!!


I just wanted to share some of my experience about my setup...


There is an "Angle point" in the alignment of Bisectors between Stators and Rotor Magnets, where the separation force to pull one side apart reduces considerably by just one to two degrees off, as it becomes part of the rotation sense force of rotor in favor of those degrees...


In my case, I love Mechanics, and so I believe very much, that by using the correct lever-fulcrum laws and compound levers, plus springs, plus triggers effects to "assist" the Pull apart required force could be achieved without pneumatics....and it is so simple math...measure the magnetic force executed by turning neutralization off (separate magnets at opposed end) it will tell you if the force to separate is smaller or greater than the propulsion force...then it could be achieved.




Regards




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 25, 2021, 07:57:48 PM
To the best of my ability at this time, this ...

https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg548052/#msg548052

gives a net gain in mechanical work out to mechanical work in.

In other / my "own" designs, I am not as yet, thoroughly convinced there is
a net gain.

Thanks for your sharing and explorations.

As an aside..
@ all readers...
I would very much like to see some replications of the shear to direct pull
measurements.

   best wishes
             floor
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 27, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
To the best of my ability at this time, this ...

https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg548052/#msg548052 (https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg548052/#msg548052)

gives a net gain in mechanical work out to mechanical work in.

In other / my "own" designs, I am not as yet, thoroughly convinced there is
a net gain.

Thanks for your sharing and explorations.

As an aside..
@ all readers...
I would very much like to see some replications of the shear to direct pull
measurements.

   best wishes
             floor


Hello Floor,


Do you believe in LÜLING MOTOR is used the Magnet Shearing method?


And if you do, can you show any proof on video, frame or image which could lead Us to think so?


IMHO, the movements that we clearly see on that only video, show a Reciprocating Mechanical Movement, whether on the right side of screen shaft plus pivoting bracket, as also on the Heavy Metal Arc, which pivots also back and forth...


Plus, when we do shearing of one magnet in attraction (or repulsion), in a ROTARY SYSTEM, the separated Magnet will always have a Field influence on the Rotation Magnets on Rotor...whether it is a Cogging by Repulse or an Attract, it will always be a negative outcome...a magnetic friction opposing rotation.


Versus Magnet Separation...where magnet just pull apart backwards, away from rotary magnets...not creating any friction.


This is only and just my opinion.


Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 27, 2021, 05:15:13 PM

Hello Floor,

Do you believe in LÜLING MOTOR is used the Magnet Shearing method?
And if you do, can you show any proof on video, frame or image which could lead Us to think so?


IMHO, the movements that we clearly see on that only video, show a Reciprocating Mechanical Movement, whether on the right side of screen shaft plus pivoting bracket, as also on the Heavy Metal Arc, which pivots also back and forth...


Plus, when we do shearing of one magnet in attraction (or repulsion), in a ROTARY SYSTEM, the separated Magnet will always have a Field influence on the Rotation Magnets on Rotor...whether it is a Cogging by Repulse or an Attract, it will always be a negative outcome...a magnetic friction opposing rotation.

Versus Magnet Separation...where magnet just pull apart backwards, away from rotary magnets...not creating any friction.

This is only and just my opinion.

Cheers
Ufopolitics

1. User LankaIV is a highly valued member here at O.U. forum.  Not appreciated by
everyone, but certainly, by myself and also by very very many others.
 
We all flame some times / it happens, but please do your best to
show more self restraint.  Let us do our best, to not let our ambitions
out stripe our humanity.

2.  I don't know if the  LÜLING MOTOR actually works or not. 
Perhaps it was dependent upon out side energy as much as it was
upon magnets. Who can say with certainty ?

We don't even know what / where the polarities are.

3. I had no theory as to how it works before your presentations.

4. You must I assume, all ready be aware, that any all magnet motor is
considered by science proper as an impossibility, do you not ?

"Plus, when we do shearing of one magnet in attraction (or repulsion), in a ROTARY SYSTEM,
the separated Magnet will always have a Field influence on the Rotation Magnets on Rotor...
whether it is a Cogging by Repulse or an Attract, it will always be a negative outcome...
a magnetic friction opposing rotation. "

Except for added friction, vibration and so on, the work, as both, done and lost, is net zero in
simply rotating one pole past another.

edit
If it is in fact true that the net, work, as shear is greater than the
direct separation work, there is some, possibility here.


best wishes
   floor
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on September 27, 2021, 06:21:21 PM
Gentlemen
I believe this has already been mentioned
However
Note to UFO politics


Here at this forum there was a section set aside for builders sharing their work
It allows management of contributions by host/builder ( would be UFO in this case)


Sometimes it is necessary to limit overzealous off topic contributions in “builders boards”
And host ( UFO?) can manage,organize or remove inappropriate contributions.


For clarity these sections once established are like separate forum areas that can have multiple
Threads !


I highly recommend this for builders


Respectfully submitted
Chet K


Ps
I will be sending Stefan a note later on another topic
If you like I can let him know to watch for request ( he is always having many ongoing projects
And does get overwhelmed with requests at times, this however should go to front of list if requested


IMO
People who take the time to build and share are the most valuable asset the community could ever have !
And their time should never be wasted or disrupted!
Not just one mans opinion...







Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 27, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
Thank you Ramset !

@ ufopolitics

Ramset has just made you an offer. Final decision is up to
Stephan H. and of course to you as well. 

      PS

Here are my guide lines in my own board which the forum has
graciously provided for me to use, and in which I do my best to
first observe the over shadowing O.U. forum rules.

https://overunity.com/18496/un-hassled-exploration/msg545850/#msg545850

  best wishes
            floor
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on September 27, 2021, 08:01:34 PM
Let me try to imagine ...

What would it be like if

1. I were not only fluent in several languages as well as having considerable
capacity to communicate in a variety of others
                            but also
2. researching in 6, 7, 8, or more diverse fields of physics and alternative energy ...
                                               SIMULTANIOUSLY
                             while also
3. communicating with others, but mostly providing links, related to their discussions.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
I'm not, but I do know someone who frequently is.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
As it is, my own communications / explorations, far  more often than I would like,
some times blur into one another.  Its due to the diversity of the interactions and
methods I am simultaneously engrossed in.

And to think, this is in just the one area (magnets) I do builds in, and in a single
language.

Yes ! I sometimes loose track of, as to which and to what and with whom.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Is it any wonder that when someone is engaged in much more, they might frequently
get off topic.
               Hey !
But let me recommend that you don't just automatically assume anything is off topic either.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on September 27, 2021, 11:48:39 PM
Gentlemen
I believe this has already been mentioned
However
Note to UFO politics


Here at this forum there was a section set aside for builders sharing their work
It allows management of contributions by host/builder ( would be UFO in this case)


Sometimes it is necessary to limit overzealous off topic contributions in “builders boards”
And host ( UFO?) can manage,organize or remove inappropriate contributions.


For clarity these sections once established are like separate forum areas that can have multiple
Threads !


I highly recommend this for builders


Respectfully submitted
Chet K


Ps
I will be sending Stefan a note later on another topic
If you like I can let him know to watch for request ( he is always having many ongoing projects
And does get overwhelmed with requests at times, this however should go to front of list if requested


IMO
People who take the time to build and share are the most valuable asset the community could ever have !
And their time should never be wasted or disrupted!
Not just one mans opinion...


Hello Ramset,


Thanks for all your help!!
And yes, I did write to Stefan Hartmann about opening a Luling Builder's Thread where I will expose all details on my setup, plus future builds.


Kind Regards my friend!!




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 16, 2022, 11:05:01 PM
Very inspiring. I immediately went to the drawing board to make a design. I was wondering if it is possible to make the pullback (neutralization) mechanical instead of compressed air. That mechanism should be adjustable as well. I will be back here too.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: activ25 on January 17, 2022, 03:02:56 PM
With what software have draw that ? is it a free software ?
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 17, 2022, 10:20:53 PM
With what software have draw that ? is it a free software ?
I use Autodesk Fusion 360. There is a free license available for hobbyists. Fusion 360 is THE CAD-software used in the 3D printing world (in the maker/DIY segment) but also high-end professional if you pay for a more expensive license. The hobbyist license is more than enough to make complex designs.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 19, 2022, 09:50:44 PM
This is my idea for the adjustable magnet and how it might be mechanically neutralized. The small disk is attached to the turntable and is adjustable for the right moment. He bounces against the larger round disc that is attached at the bottom of the magnetholder. The magnet will be pushed outwards (neutralized). I am a 3D printing specialist, so everything will be made with this technique, except some metal bearings, threads, nuts, washers, and such.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 19, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
took some parts away to show the magnet block better
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: rstergar on January 19, 2022, 11:12:59 PM
Hello, long time out of this project :)

Now i see you came with new idea and I was thinking how to get rid of an air mechanism and let the motor do the job by itself...

I find some idea worth trying, because its very plausible... here is animation: https://youtu.be/4EwS92NLLgw (https://youtu.be/4EwS92NLLgw)

and here is image...

If I will have time I will try to build this ;)

Best regards from Slovenija
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on January 23, 2022, 07:16:32 PM
Hello,


It is great to see you are working on this project, at least in Graphics...


I will give you some tips about your above graphic plus your video...
You can NOT add any more magnets around the adjusting magnet!!
By doing this you will immediately break Neutralization, becasue of other magnetic Fields distorting the Neutralization Effect.

So, no, you can not use but JUST the Magnets that are INVOLVED in the Neutralization.
Otherwise it will kill it, and it may try to find its own neutralization "naturally" like magnets always do.




Regards




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on January 23, 2022, 07:23:01 PM
Some common Info about Magnetic Neutralization:

FACT 1: Magnets, always try to find their own "Stabilization", or We could call it also "Neutralization"...if they are thrown randomly and loose, they will turn around, and end up sticking all together...or even fixed and set in a Rotor and Stator...they will always find the "Spot" where they will stick...and motion is finished.

FACT 2: We MUST FORCE our own Neutralization, by following the Graphics I have rendered before.
And You could add more magnets, as long as they are set in PAIRS of Attract-Repulse SETS, exactly at 180º EACH PAIR.


Regards


Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 23, 2022, 11:22:01 PM
I think I have it all worked out (digital). I had printed out a few parts but when you finally have them in your hand you often see whether it will work or not. The parts shown now are therefore thicker and stronger. I also had to come up with something else for the push disk. This can now be adjusted at the right time and a second can easily be added. I also made an adjustable distance on the stator side to be as flexible as possible, there is of course no push disk on the stator.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 23, 2022, 11:27:09 PM
side view
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Floor on January 24, 2022, 01:40:00 AM
Looking forward to your findings with this kind of configuration.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...

In general..

At from  very near  to   near   distances
attractions are stronger than repulsions. 

At far distances
repultions are stronger than attractions.

Of course,  both  the attractions and the repulsions are weaker at
farther distances.

There is a range of distance in which
         there is a cross over
                        and
attraction becomes equal to repulsion.

       also

The     far ends or poles     of the magnets can be more involved in the
interactions than one might expect.

Force neutralization between 3 magnets

      Part 1 @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2
      Part 2 @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0o4w
... ... ... ... ... ...
                              In this magnet configuration
                            only two magnets are involved.

                     @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d

           Force neutralization occurs as a result of N to S and  N to S balancing.

       The back sides or faces of the the magnets are very involved in the interactions.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 24, 2022, 03:30:13 PM
Looking forward to your findings with this kind of configuration.

                              In this magnet configuration
                            only two magnets are involved.


I have seen with my own eyes and you can also in the video, that this configuration with only two magnets works (no offense).
That is amazing and that's why I'm trying to replicate this device which is very good explained by Ufopolitics. The big question is that I'm trying to replace the air pressure with a mechanical solution.
This could be a disaster, we will see.

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on January 24, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Hello Knovos,


Your design is very well done!!
Your setup is nice, although there are some things that need some repair before you go to the real build.

First, your actuator on the rotor, to push the lower cam under the magnet is set off in timing.


Second: The actuation of the retracting magnet must be very sharp and abruptly and right at the spot where I am pointing in my RIGHT SIDE graphic.
Other words, it can NOT be a smooth curve before the timing mark, otherwise you will weaken the attraction before the repulse magnet has passed Bisector, hence it will not run, but kick in the reverse sense than shown.

In order to make a mechanical system that replaces the air valve and piston, it MUST work exactly the same way!

You are welcome to make your own thread on my Builder's Thread about Luling


Lüling Builder´s Thread (https://overunity.com/lueling-magnet-motor/)


You are welcome to open a "New Topic" there, any help, just ask me.

I am very glad that someone at last, get hands on a CAD and start working this!!
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on January 24, 2022, 06:07:57 PM
@Knovos,


Here is the "Whole Picture" so you understand it completely... 8)


On the Right hand side I made a Graphic of Time/Degrees of Rotation versus Gap Separation...

The Blue Curve is exactly what we are looking for, in order to obtain MAX Rotation (one thing here, the more the Gap separates, the stronger the Repulse Forces, then, the Faster and Higher Torque the Motor will run)


The Red Curve is WRONG, and it is what We obtain when using a typical Cam-Cam Follower...and the problem is, as you can notice, that starts separating magnet BEFORE Zero mark, which is where all magnets are aligned by same Bisector Line.




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on January 24, 2022, 06:41:40 PM
By the way...@All

Here is a MUCH BETTER High Definition Video of Lüling Motor.
In 4K UHD that I did directly from copies from the Original 35mm Celluloid Track.
Thanks to Member Semi, from Germany, who purchased these original frames from Bundesarchive.


It have Subtitles in German, English, Spanish, Portuguese...


Now You guys can see every single detail, bolts and nuts...pistons and actuators more clearly... ;D


Lüling 4K UHD from 35mm Original Film (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_UIpbFKc0)




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: knovos on January 24, 2022, 08:02:44 PM
Thank you very much Ufopolitics for taking the time to highlight the most important aspect of getting this engine to work. It was immediately clear to me in the video that it has to be a very fast sharp push back, that's why Luling opted for compressed air with which you can make such a fast sharp push back quite easily. In the example my push disk is just put down to show where I want to go, it is clear that it will not work there at that position. I will have to study what mechanical constructions there are for such a task. The great thing about this machine is that we don't have to gamble. It is very clear what needs to be done and how everything works. You made a cristal clear video and showed the world a device THAT WORKS! I'm going to move to the builder's forum you're suggesting, and go from there.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: jimbo on February 18, 2022, 09:37:11 PM
I'm a little late but as a bit steel is becoming magnetic it flips its domains into Alinement until there all used up then what happens is the flux field Punch's though and expresses its self on the other side .as it fills it has one polarity opposite to the magnetic source but once filled its over powered by the source a aperance of polar flipping .this is how the Wesley magnetic neutral zone motors worked it needs a wide spread of the polls .you can use two neos on a bar and a bit of plate steel and a compass or a bit of iron stapler opened up.the stapler flips at the reversal point as the compass flips. They used horse shoe magnets back then and only needed 1/15 of a inch of movement to work it .and he made a electrical generator with it utilizing the  flipping polarity.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on February 18, 2022, 10:36:21 PM
I'm a little late but as a bit steel is becoming magnetic it flips its domains into Alinement until there all used up then what happens is the flux field Punch's though and expresses its self on the other side .as it fills it has one polarity opposite to the magnetic source but once filled its over powered by the source a aperance of polar flipping .this is how the Wesley magnetic neutral zone motors worked it needs a wide spread of the polls .you can use two neos on a bar and a bit of plate steel and a compass or a bit of iron stapler opened up.the stapler flips at the reversal point as the compass flips. They used horse shoe magnets back then and only needed 1/15 of a inch of movement to work it .and he made a electrical generator with it utilizing the  flipping polarity.
Hello Jimbo,


Are You saying that Iron-Steel swaps, flips Polarity when facing a Permanent Magnet Pole??


Because the above is completely wrong!!

If you put two neos at each end of a steel bar...depending the polarity you are using towards the steel, you get different results:

1- if you set bar as NEO 1[N/S] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [N/S] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[N/S] [S STEEL BAR N] NEO 2 [N/S]
2- if you set bar as NEO 1[S/N] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [S/N] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[S/N] [N STEEL BAR S] NEO 2 [S/N]
3- if you set bar as NEO 1[S/N] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [N/S] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[S/N] [N STEEL BAR N] NEO 2 [N/S]
4- if you set bar as NEO 1[N/S] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [S/N] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[N/S] [S STEEL BAR S] NEO 2 [S/N]


And no, the steel bar in example 3 & 4 has not become a "Monopole", but just being the host of the Repulsion Interaction between both end magnets poles.

The Steel only becomes an extension of the magnetic field POLE that it is closer to, or touching, or sticking together.
This can be clearly seen with cheap, magnetic viewing film...


Steel is also utilized to "Redirect" magnetic Field Polarity, a clear example is in a car Alternator Center Rotor Steel Core Upper and Lower Claws and Coil at center...




Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: jimbo on February 25, 2022, 07:09:24 AM
I guess I didn't make it clear   if you use a horse shoe magnet or two magnets with a steel bar or strap connecting them to  create a horse shoe magnet then approach a steel strip a little larger than the set up it will show a polarity of opposite the horse shoe magnet till all the domains are used up then there's no ware for the source to go so it moves though and around the steel strap plate .you can place a paper staple on the steel strap and it will stick there until you reach domain saturation then it flips because of the new conditions .this is the heart of the neural line motors .but mass density of the strap and the fource of the magnets and there distance from each other comes in to play .give a quick test .the flipping is a good indicator .its scalable .
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 01, 2022, 08:49:35 PM
This guy shows how he thinks Luling motor is constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw

Key point being that magnets are magnetized along the long axis. I believe this way there is less tendency for sticking.

But i am not sure if there are stator magnets as he shows.

Anyway i don't think anyone should build a magnet motor and then fight against lenz.

I see em as toys, a waste of time.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: jimbo on April 02, 2022, 07:09:02 AM
Thanks for the post but I've never much cared for cad hypotheticals .cads are good for explaining known systems but guessing isn't more than guessing .if he had build a wanky prototype to get the gest of its workings that might work good but just guessing isn't much use .
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 02, 2022, 12:20:45 PM
Welcome. Ofc it's "just" a cad, that is irrelevant, it could as well be a hand sketch.

What matters is the principle. The question if there are stator magnets and are the rotor magnets polarized along the long axis.

Again, low power magnet motor can be built relatively easily, these are toys. Big ones ala Luling would be useful to run a car or a boat but to make a big one one would need to really put himself into it for quite some time and invest money, i know from experience how expensive machining is and how they rarely get things really as you want them, it turns into hell real quick. This is best to play with for someone who has a machine shop and can machine the parts himself. I love the idea, i would do it for fun, but with so many better ways, i see it as waste of time.

Here are few magnet motors. I have no doubt these are real but none of them will give you kilowatts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsGhllSgpLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me0s25_Xbnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkcFRLQiVGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73R6dMJRCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLF9UJDbkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Cadman on April 02, 2022, 04:51:06 PM
This guy shows how he thinks Luling motor is constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw

Key point being that magnets are magnetized along the long axis. I believe this way there is less tendency for sticking.

But i am not sure if there are stator magnets as he shows.

Anyway i don't think anyone should build a magnet motor and then fight against lenz.

I see em as toys, a waste of time.

That video has no relation with Lüling’s motor, not even close.

It seems clear to me that nobody posting here has made the effort to seriously investigate Semi’s efforts. Or some of you have and are just keeping quiet about it.

BTW, the motor in the Lüling video is a crippled, stripped down version that simply demonstrates the principle of how it works.

Cadman
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 02, 2022, 06:30:55 PM
That video has no relation with Lüling’s motor, not even close.

It seems clear to me that nobody posting here has made the effort to seriously investigate Semi’s efforts. Or some of you have and are just keeping quiet about it.

BTW, the motor in the Lüling video is a crippled, stripped down version that simply demonstrates the principle of how it works.

Cadman

Funny. I'm sure you "know" exactly how it worked and have built a replica at least as powerful as the original, in fact, i'd bet it's already powering your car and your house.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Cadman on April 02, 2022, 07:55:33 PM
No need to be a smart ass. I’ve studied it enough to know what I said about that video is true and the motor was a crippled version.

And no I don’t know exactly how it worked, no one does because there are obviously missing components as evidenced by the empty attachment points.

I do have a theory, based on the video evidence and experience, solid enough to put my money where my mouth is. Is my theory right? Don’t know yet. A build is in the works.

Cadman
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 02, 2022, 08:27:36 PM
Well, you sure sounded like a smart ass. You could've put that energy into figuring out and building the system rather than empty words. And no, video is not completely off, in the worst case it's got basic, obvious components right. For details, as you say yourself, you are not sure.

Unlike what you're trying to make it appear, this system is not really complicated, pulling the steel bar at proper time to avert the sticky point is the key point and everyone knows that. The rest is precise machining and placement of parts.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Cadman on April 02, 2022, 08:59:53 PM
You made me chuckle! Now who is talking like they know all about it. What basic obvious components does the video have right? Hmm? Name them.

How am I trying to make it appear complicated?

“Pulling the steel bar at proper time to avert the sticky point is the key point and everyone knows that.”
Really? I guess I have it all wrong then.

“You could've put that energy into figuring out and building the system rather than empty words.”
Take your own advice.

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 02, 2022, 09:48:27 PM
You made me chuckle!

You made me laugh out loud since your first rant.

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Now who is talking like they know all about it. What basic obvious components does the video have right? Hmm? Name them.

Did i say i know it all, no. I clearly said i do NOT know are magnets polarized along the long axis, are there stator magnets or not.... but basic components are obviously C shaped alnico magnets and steel stator bars on springs..did you even watch the original video with Mr Luling Stephan translated. Are you denying these are the basic components lol.

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How am I trying to make it appear complicated?

You talk about it as if there is some mystery in it only you figured out while it is in reality as Mr Luling says, simply pulling the steel away just before magnet is about to stick, carrot and the donkey effect, no big mystery, just a lot of precise engineering.

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“Pulling the steel bar at proper time to avert the sticky point is the key point and everyone knows that.”
Really? I guess I have it all wrong then.

God knows how you have it, you never said what's your "theory".

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“You could've put that energy into figuring out and building the system rather than empty words.”
Take your own advice.

You started the useless rant so indeed, you wasted your time and energy and now you're wasting mine and everybody else's.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 02, 2022, 09:56:18 PM
This guy shows how he thinks Luling motor is constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw)

Key point being that magnets are magnetized along the long axis. I believe this way there is less tendency for sticking.

But i am not sure if there are stator magnets as he shows.

Anyway i don't think anyone should build a magnet motor and then fight against lenz.

I see em as toys, a waste of time.


Hello Nix85,


Sorry, but that video is absurd, makes no sense at all.


There must be Neutralization of magnetic field forces, before even starting to put it together, whether is CAD or in a Real Build, guy don't even mentions that word...


These motors are not build to beat Lenz...they are built to prove magnets do have energy and usable.


And you are under estimating the forces in Magnetic Fields...


My Build, has been the best so far ever replicating the Lüling Magnet Motor (modesty aside...lol)...as a matter of fact, I went above his RPM´s (298) to 415 RPM´s....and I am only using "one module" built so far...as Lüling has Four Modules in his running prototype.


Lüling uses either Pneumatic or could even be Hydraulics (too slow in my opinion) to make required reciprocations to brake neutralization at the perfect timing...


Lüling was applying this reciprocations of the steel arc (seen on the running prototype) in order to brake neutral point before reaching sticky point.




Cheers






Ufopolitics




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM)




PD: I am not trying to start any new discussion here...just rendering my opinion.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 02, 2022, 10:33:06 PM

Hello Nix85,


Sorry, but that video is absurd, makes no sense at all.


There must be Neutralization of magnetic field forces, before even starting to put it together, whether is CAD or in a Real Build, guy don't even mentions that word...

It is not absurd. It may not be complete, but not absurd. You are assuming pulling the magnet away at critical point is not neutralization. I used to think like that myself assuming it takes equal energy to pull the steel away as gained from attraction, but it is not so if done right.

One example, this one is using repulsion not attraction, but this italian grandpa is saying how periodically pushing with a magnet against a magnet generates more energy than invested in the pushing, which he based his stellar motor on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4mVFP209Y

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These motors are not build to beat Lenz...they are built to prove magnets do have energy and usable.

You missed the point, the point was that it is ironic to build a powerful magnet motor ala Muammer Yildiz, Perendev.....just to attach it to an ordinary generator and fight against lenz brute force.

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And you are under estimating the forces in Magnetic Fields...

Again, you totally misunderstood. Magnetic force is INFINITE. All i said is there are many ways to relatively simply make a low power magnet motor, basically a toy.

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My Build, has been the best so far ever replicating the Lüling Magnet Motor...as a matter of fact, I went above his RPM´s (298) to 415 RPM´s....and I am only using "one module" built so far...as Lüling has Four Modules in his running prototype.

Lüling uses either Pneumatic or could even be Hydraulics (too slow in my opinion) to make required reciprocations to brake neutralization at the perfect timing...

Lüling was applying this reciprocations of the steel arc (seen on the running prototype) in order to brake neutral point before reaching sticky point.

Cheers

Ufopolitics


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM)

PD: I am not trying to start any new discussion here...just rendering my opinion.


I saw your video before, not underestimating your effort, but to be honest, that can hardly be called a Luling replica.

I don't think he used pneumatic or hydraulics for a simple reason they are totally not needed.

As they are not needed in Muammer Yildiz, Perendev and many other higher power magnet-only motors. Sticky point can be neutralized by clever arrangement of magnets and iron, especially if combined with pulling the stator away by a lever at the key moment.


Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Cadman on April 02, 2022, 10:47:57 PM
Nix85, Sigh… well I guess I’ll just have to tell everyone part of what I can see. You evidently have not studied the evidence that Semi provided.

BTW, thank you Semi.

Observe the video frames 1603 through 1623 and you will see that the steel bar above the magnets you are referring to is pulled away as the rotor approaches the magnets and returned over the magnets as the center of the rotor segment has passed the magnet, fully returning before the edge of the rotor passes the magnets. Exactly the opposite of what you say everyone knows.

So this is one part of my theory, the magnet field isn’t actually neutralized, it’s redirected. This can be seen in the same video frames. There is a large shunt visible swinging to and from the back side of the magnets as well as the thin one above the magnets. Pay attention to the timing observable in those video frames.

Cadman
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 02, 2022, 11:05:17 PM
No reason to sigh, you should've presented your idea from the first post instead of saying how no one but you got it right.

Anyway, it would be more helpful if you linked the video with a time reference.

Like so https://youtu.be/Lks8N-_dQLs?t=297

Looking at 0.25 speed i agree steel bar returns as the magnet comes nearest to it, contrary to what i said, i'll give you that.

But your theory that flux is redirected instead of neutralized does not make much sense. Redirected where? Whichever part is used to redirect the flux becomes your new sticky point.

What does make far more sense is that steel bar is not really a steel bar but a magnet repelling the rotor magnet, so it's out of it's way until it comes closest at which point it is introduced and strong repulsion (unlike what Luling himself says) takes place.

Quoting Luling as translated by Stephan

"this is a rotor which is attracted by a system
and the rotor runs until the  sticky point
at this shortly before the sticky points a
neutralization of the magnet takes place
so the rotor can turn on so that's their"

Or maybe upper part of the steel bar really is just steel so rotor is attracted to it but bottom part is repelling magnet, so at key moment attraction turns to repulsion.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Cadman on April 02, 2022, 11:42:20 PM
Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I have repeatedly referred to Semi’s work as the source of my information.
Go here https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/
Scroll down to Video Data then under section Content – Size click the link FRAMES JPG approx. 12 GB
At that site download the one ending with FRAMES_09_TYPE_4x4_MOTOR_NO.3
Those are 1.94 GB. Once you have them you should have individual frames from 1584 through 2003.
Ignore what anyone else has ever written or said, including me, and decide for yourself what makes the motor run.

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 03, 2022, 12:06:39 AM
Who is putting words in your mouth, i sure am not.

Those higher res frames tell us nothing about the key point, the magnetic properties of the steel bar.

"Ignore what anyone else has ever written or said, including me, and decide for yourself what makes the motor run."

Look at you telling people what to do, how "wise".

There is not enough information to decide here, all we can is hypothesize. I already given my opinion that idea of diverting flux does not hold water and that it is most likely he is combining ferromagnetic attraction and magnetic repulsion to bypass the sticky point.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 03, 2022, 12:58:59 AM
Take this basic wankel principle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovPQ5dMy7GQ

Imagine if he placed a piece of iron of proper thickness at proper angle before and behind the first magnet on the left and it would cross the gap effortlessly so that cycle can repeat. Scale it up, add many in parallel and there is your high power magnet-only motor, no electromagnets, levers, pneumatics or hydraulics.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 03, 2022, 11:11:41 AM
Looking at 0.25 speed i agree steel bar returns as the magnet comes nearest to it, contrary to what i said, i'll give you that.

Now that i slept over this, i remembered i knew this detail for years since i first saw the Luling motor. But this by far not being my main point of attention i forgot it. In any case, idea that flux is redirected at sticky point is just wrong. If steel bar was only attracting the rotor magnet at the sticky point attraction would be enormous, it would take a very high power electromagnet to cancel that, obviously magnetic repulsion is an absolute must here. Like i said before, probably with repelling magnets in the bottom part of the steel bar.

With that said, when it comes to sticky points in general you got to make the passing magnet go "Huh, what da %$# is going on here", forces must be balanced with exact timing, otherwise your access to the fat land will be denied.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 03, 2022, 11:04:22 PM
Hello,


Like I said before...I am not trying to generate arguments here...what I have shared about Lüling previously, as what I have built successfully, is just my opinion, so anyone could feel free to disagree with me.


Yildiz magnet motor is a different concept, Perendev is another thing...all completely different than Lüling.  btw, Yildiz never shows (in all his conferences videos) the big cylindrical part where shaft goes...only letting people see pieces taken off with cylindrical magnets of what is supposed to be the ¨stator¨...however, he never takes apart that cylindrical drum or his armature...He just shows what he wants to...basically to collect money from his conferences as some investors who pass by...


The Motor I have presented on that video is about Neutralization of Magnetic Forces...without them, Motor will not run...
Lüling mentions Neutralization achievements that he has been working and developing for like 12 years...


The only difference between my motor and Lüling is that He uses Attraction as the force to run motor, while braking (or turning OFF) neutralization with the Repulse side...And so, I do the opposite, I use Repulsion to power motor, and use Attraction to turn On-Off Neutralization.


Anyone who has played with magnet motors knows that the only way that you could turn that rotor so smoothly with one finger (like Lüling does on video) is by first, neutralizing the magnetic forces.


That Arc of Steel that swivels back and forth, is in charge to turn OFF Neutralization at the repulsion side, which causes Attraction Forces to gain max levels, so when Steel Arc retracts, Neutralization is back ON...so attract side will not stick, but continues with the acceleration obtained when Neutralization was off...and again, that is just the way I believe (my take) on how Luling Motor turns Off Neutralization.


Steel would never ¨repel¨any magnet...no matter what pole is facing...Now, whenever you have two magnets in max repulsion alignment even with a very small air gap...then you approach a heavy steel right in between that repulse gap (contouring that gap in a full encirclement or a hole, which passes through magnets)...Repulse forces are gone like magic...because both magnets will be attracted to steel...and repulsion is no longer there.


Same thing that happens when you get two N52 Heavy Magnets by the same poles and both attracting a heavy piece of steel...they will not repel, but stick together sandwhiched between steel, and North to North...


By the way...in a CAD Program with animations, etc,etc...I could also build a "real running Lüling Motor"... ;D


Cheers




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 01:26:44 AM
Yildiz may not have taken his motor apart completely but i seen diagrams of supposed inner mechanism, it's multiple layers of magnets. Anyway, it is a real deal.

Yildiz, Perendev and Lüling may use different methods, but all are magnet-only motors, so they are closely related.

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The Motor I have presented on that video is about Neutralization of Magnetic Forces...without them, Motor will not run...

Anyone who has played with magnet motors knows that the only way that you could turn that rotor so smoothly with one finger (like Lüling does on video) is by first, neutralizing the magnetic forces.

Imagine, and sky is blue. Have we been talking about anything else but neutralization. Neutralization meaning passing the sticky point, even Luling uses the term.

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The only difference between my motor and Lüling is that He uses Attraction as the force to run motor, while braking (or turning OFF) neutralization with the Repulse side...And so, I do the opposite, I use Repulsion to power motor, and use Attraction to turn On-Off Neutralization.

I dont think what you did is even comparable to Luling, as you say you use repulsion + compressed air which he did not use.

In this paragraph you seem to agree he is using attraction to make rotor magnet fall to the steel and do work, but you seems to believe neutralization is turning OFF when magnet comes face to face with steel. Only God knows by which magic have you imagined magnet does not stick to steel if that is when neutralization is OFF instead of ON.

Your next paragraf also does not clearly convey what exactly you imagined...

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That Arc of Steel that swivels back and forth, is in charge to turn OFF Neutralization at the repulsion side, which causes Attraction Forces to gain max levels, so when Steel Arc retracts, Neutralization is back ON...so attract side will not stick, but continues with the acceleration obtained when Neutralization was off...and again, that is just the way I believe (my take) on how Luling Motor turns Off Neutralization.

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Steel would never ¨repel¨any magnet...no matter what pole is facing...

Wrong. That is totally dependent on the thickness of steel and power and distance of the magnets. If steel is thin magnets WILL repel through it, in somewhat reduced degree. I tested this with N52 superstrong cylinder neodymiums some time ago, even through iron thick about 5mm repulsion is VERY strong, there is absolutely no way you will make it stick to iron where repelling neodymium is on the other side of it or even get it close to iron in that area...

So your basic premise is totally wrong, needless to say what proceeds from a flawed premise is most likely wrong too.

Also i did not necessarily imply magnets are behind the steel bar but rather in the front, the bottom part, or maybe covered with thin layer of steel.

He says it works by attraction, so it is pretty safe to assume work is done by magnet falling toward the steel bar, to me it is logical neutralization takes place by (unseen) repelling magnets at the moment rotor magnet is about to stick to steel. You apparently imagined something totally different, only God knows what cause you did not convey your idea clearly.

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By the way...in a CAD Program with animations, etc,etc...I could also build a "real running Lüling Motor"... ;D

That video is totally irrelevant and not presented as an authority on the subject, i mainly shared it for the view of the rotor and stator.

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 04, 2022, 03:17:33 PM
Yildiz may not have taken his motor apart completely but i seen diagrams of supposed inner mechanism, it's multiple layers of magnets. Anyway, it is a real deal.

Yildiz, Perendev and Lüling may use different methods, but all are magnet-only motors, so they are closely related.

And there are Unicorns in our Animal Kingdom...

Imagine, and sky is blue. Have we been talking about anything else but neutralization. Neutralization meaning passing the sticky point, even Luling uses the term.

Neutralization is not only about "passing the sticky point"...but also about passing the Repulsion Cogging Point...Should I remind you that Magnetism always has TWO Interactions, and NOT only one?...or just attraction?

I dont think what you did is even comparable to Luling, as you say you use repulsion + compressed air which he did not use.

Are you sure Lüling did NOT use pneumatics?...Please see my images sequence below...and still I had to reduce its resolution...as this site will not take 4K UHD.
So, all those aluminum lines, fittings and components are there just "for the looks"...and yes, "skies are blue..."

In this paragraph you seem to agree he is using attraction to make rotor magnet fall to the steel and do work, but you seems to believe neutralization is turning OFF when magnet comes face to face with steel. Only God knows by which magic have you imagined magnet does not stick to steel if that is when neutralization is OFF instead of ON.

Your next paragraf also does not clearly convey what exactly you imagined...

When Two magnets are IN REPULSION, face to face, and you get a THICK (not just a lamination) about equivalent to their thickness embodiment, without touching them physically, just SURROUNDING their REPULSE AIR GAP...Repulsion Forces are turned OFF like a "switch"...You no longer feel any COGGING, but a slight Attraction.

And this brakes (Turns OFF) Neutralization IN A STABILIZED, NEUTRALIZED SYSTEM, releasing Attract Forces to Max at 180º apart.

This fact does NOT applies to Attraction.

That is how Lüling Magnet Motor works.


Is this too hard to understand?

Wrong. That is totally dependent on the thickness of steel and power and distance of the magnets. If steel is thin magnets WILL repel through it, in somewhat reduced degree. I tested this with N52 superstrong cylinder neodymiums some time ago, even through iron thick about 5mm repulsion is VERY strong, there is absolutely no way you will make it stick to iron where repelling neodymium is on the other side of it or even get it close to iron in that area...

So your basic premise is totally wrong, needless to say what proceeds from a flawed premise is most likely wrong too.

I never said "thin steel plate"...that is so obvious!!...a thin plate would not do niente!! ...I said perfectly clear, a Thick, large piece of steel Arc

Also i did not necessarily imply magnets are behind the steel bar but rather in the front, the bottom part, or maybe covered with thin layer of steel.

Now is you considering a thin piece of steel...what?...shunting magnets?...LOL

He says it works by attraction, so it is pretty safe to assume work is done by magnet falling toward the steel bar, to me it is logical neutralization takes place by (unseen) repelling magnets at the moment rotor magnet is about to stick to steel. You apparently imagined something totally different, only God knows what cause you did not convey your idea clearly.

So, you are believing that Lüling works based on Steel RAMPS generating the Attraction?...and some "unseen repulse magnets" come out of your blue skies...
And so, maybe Lüling was pushing those "unseen repulse magnets" with his left hand, while motor was running...I mean, we only see his right hand moving the lever...so it could be... ;D

That video is totally irrelevant and not presented as an authority on the subject, i mainly shared it for the view of the rotor and stator.

Maybe you need to watch the whole video again, in your big screen TV...but this time  Lüling in 4K UHD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_UIpbFKc0)...same 1966 video...taken from the original 35mm slides that thanks to Semi, who got them (and PAID $$ for them) from Bundes Archives in Germany...I did all the color balances, Gamma corrections, etc,etc...and put them in a full film...

Also, You may want to see the replication that Manfred Klug (Germany) did on his Lüling Magnetmotor Rep #10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6--Fqkdjs) ...and  so, I wonder ¨how come¨, I am not the only one who believes Lüling works on Pneumatics ¿!? ...It is just unfortunate that Klug did not considered Neutralization on his build...as he only uses Magnet to a Steel Rotor Attraction, which is very much weaker than magnet to magnet attraction...
Resulting that Manfred Klug only gets like 30 RPM's...while I reach 415 RPM's... 8) ,  ;D






Ciao






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 06:50:46 PM
And there are Unicorns in our Animal Kingdom...

Point is you are needlessly saying obvious things.

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Neutralization is not only about "passing the sticky point"...but also about passing the Repulsion Cogging Point...Should I remind you that Magnetism always has TWO Interactions, and NOT only one?...or just attraction?

Sticky point is a general term in magnet only motors for point where rotation is blocked, due to attraction or repulsion. For example in video i linked, there is a REPELLING "sticky point" or call it "repelling point" if you want to nit pick about useless semantics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovPQ5dMy7GQ

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Are you sure Lüling did NOT use pneumatics?...Please see my images sequence below...and still I had to reduce its resolution...as this site will not take 4K UHD.
So, all those aluminum lines, fittings and components are there just "for the looks"...and yes, "skies are blue..."

I don't think he did for a simple reason it is not needed.

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When Two magnets are IN REPULSION, face to face, and you get a THICK (not just a lamination) about equivalent to their thickness embodiment, without touching them physically, just SURROUNDING their REPULSE AIR GAP...Repulsion Forces are turned OFF like a "switch"...You no longer feel any COGGING, but a slight Attraction.

Of course you can neutralize the attraction by putting a thick enough piece of iron between two repelling magnets. If there is "slight attraction" or not, again, depends on thickness of the iron, distance from the magnets and their strength.

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And this brakes (Turns OFF) Neutralization IN A STABILIZED, NEUTRALIZED SYSTEM, releasing Attract Forces to Max at 180º apart.

You repeat the obvious fact that thick enough piece of iron can neturalize the repulsion of magnets, (not to get into the fact that in this scenario, as rotating magnet leaves, the iron "shield" is now strongly attracted to the remaining magnet and it takes work to move it back to original position so cycle can repeat...). And how does that incorporate into the video, we can see rotor is attracted toward (presumably) stator steel bar, they are not repelling (at least until they come face to face). At the same time you ironically mock the idea of hidden repelling magnets in the steel bar, yet this is apparently exactly what you suggest...

You so far did not express your theory in a clear, non-contradictory way.

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This fact does NOT applies to Attraction.

LOL, IMAGINE, iron between attracting magnets does not shield the attraction...WHO WOULD SAY.

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That is how Lüling Magnet Motor works.

LOL

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Is this too hard to understand?

If you were capable of expressing yourself in intelligent, clear manner, maybe someone would be able to understand what kind of mess you imagined.

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I never said "thin steel plate"...that is so obvious!!...a thin plate would not do niente!! ...I said perfectly clear, a Thick, large piece of steel Arc

Now is you considering a thin piece of steel...what?...shunting magnets?...LOL

LOL, first of all, i was just stating the fact that with varying thickness of iron (and distance) can be achieved either partial repulsion, total neutralization of repulsion or attraction (small to big).

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So, you are believing that Lüling works based on Steel RAMPS generating the Attraction?...and some "unseen repulse magnets" come out of your blue skies...
And so, maybe Lüling was pushing those "unseen repulse magnets" with his left hand, while motor was running...I mean, we only see his right hand moving the lever...so it could be... ;D

Maybe you need to watch the whole video again, in your big screen TV...but this time  Lüling in 4K UHD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_UIpbFKc0)...same 1966 video...taken from the original 35mm slides that thanks to Semi, who got them (and PAID $$ for them) from Bundes Archives in Germany...I did all the color balances, Gamma corrections, etc,etc...and put them in a full film...

Also, You may want to see the replication that Manfred Klug (Germany) did on his Lüling Magnetmotor Rep #10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ6--Fqkdjs) ...and  so, I wonder ¨how come¨, I am not the only one who believes Lüling works on Pneumatics ¿!? ...It is just unfortunate that Klug did not considered Neutralization on his build...as he only uses Magnet to a Steel Rotor Attraction, which is very much weaker than magnet to magnet attraction...
Resulting that Manfred Klug only gets like 30 RPM's...while I reach 415 RPM's... 8) ,  ;D
Ufopolitics
Ciao

Stupid sarcasm and emojis aside...

I unlike you, said clearly what i think.

Listening to Luling again he clearly says "the rotating armature will be attracted from (by) the magnetic system". According to these words it sounds like rotor is NOT a magnet but steel attracted to magnets in the stator. If this were true it leaves out the possibility of repulsion and that makes things much harder. If we ignore these words and continue with the assumption that rotor IS a magnet...

We can see it is falling toward what is presumably a steel bar and as it approaches the steel bar, spring releases the steel bar and it comes faces to face with the magnet. As i said before, clearly for rotor to continue spinning this is where neutralization must be ON (not OFF as you say) and only way this attraction can be neutralized is by repelling magnets, presumably in the bottom part of the oscillating steel bar or maybe in the central part positioned in such a way that rotor magnet does not "see" the repulsion until the very moment it comes face to face with the steel bar (and the hidden magnets).
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 04, 2022, 07:35:07 PM
@Nix85


I am sorry, but I will not keep arguing with you here...I have to keep working on my builds...
But, you have your ideas then why don't you put them all together on a build?...then load your video so we could all see it running.


I already did mine...


Hope you do the same, build it and put all your assumptions in a real build...


It is the best way to know if they work or not.




Take care




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: citfta on April 04, 2022, 07:52:20 PM
Hey UFO,


You are wasting your time with this clown.  He is the resident know-it-all that is always putting down what others are doing while he has done NOTHING.  I have been following closely your other thread but not commenting because I don't have anything useful to add and I am certainly not going to criticize someone who is actually building while I am not.


Keep up the great efforts and take care.


Later,
Carroll
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 08:34:06 PM
I am sorry, but look at your sarcasm and emojis, who's been arguing.

Anyway, it's kinda sad you wasted all this space and time and you never managed to convey clearly, non-contradictory how exactly you imagined it.

Ofc you pulled the i built it you didn't card, but what you built can not even be compared to Luling motor.

BTW i've been building stuff for years and would love to build Luling, but am at the moment focused on solid state stuff. If i had extra funds and time i assure you i would solve this one quickly.

Take care,

Nix
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 08:44:22 PM
As for this jester, i see he saw little dispute as an excuse to unleash his frustrations cause i exposed his ignorance on another thread. As for his accusation that i am putting others down, i do not, may point out if something is wrong just as commend if it is right, as for "built nothing"...my my, if he only knew.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: ramset on April 04, 2022, 08:47:05 PM
Sir Nix
Based on your Utube evidence of “ _successful _ magnet motors ( your low power examples ?) “


Your input is much more than questionable !
 any truly self running “magnet only motor “ would
Be world changing , regardless it’s usability!!
Magnets shown doing work ??



Perhaps you are not an open source fellow who shares his work ?


No doubt you do look to make trouble !


Edit for comment below


Sorry to read that ….if you were not so condescending and arrogant, I would ask
You to prove that claim !


But since you do not open source your work
And proportionately your interactions are mostly
Combative?


Your more a fire starter than a true helper !!
































Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 08:54:37 PM
I am not trouble, i just may have little patience for time wasters.

As for the videos...

(i removed the first one to leave just the magnet-only ones)

Take the first one, my favorite, at any moment circa 6 magnets want to go (up the slope) and 1 or 2 wanna stick. Since base is probably iron too, overall effect is continuous motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me0s25_Xbnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkcFRLQiVGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73R6dMJRCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLF9UJDbkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI

You may not believe in these, but i believe all these are real.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 09:25:50 PM
"condescending and arrogant"

Ok, think what you like. Like i said, i may be bit impatient with people when they appear to waste my time, that's all.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 04, 2022, 11:42:44 PM
"Your more a fire starter than a true helper !!"

Not to mention the ungratefulness.

I proposed a theory that is clear and makes sense, unlike some others here.

I posed some key questions, is rotor even a magnet or not, if yes, is it polarized along the long axis... The guy you presumably think was a true helper on the other hand gave theory which is totally unclear and contradictory, did not posit these key questions.....when i approach any issue i go to the root of roots, absolute thoroughness is the ONLY way, be it mechanical or solid state approach.

Shared number of videos of related devices that work.

...Nevermind


Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Semi on April 05, 2022, 11:56:48 AM
Hey Guys,

thank you for taking the findings we've found and published to account.
With we, I mean Ufo and me.

We are almost having to remind our selves all the time, that we are again trying to display our assumptions as facts we think we know.
We are even trying to consider the possibility of optical illusions or rather effects that can take place from or within the footage. Like the wagon wheel effect.
And backed up with some sort of Benchmark of Details we can find, the level of "most likely" arises.

I really would like to have this kind of discussion about details from the Footage, within the Secrets of Lüling thread. Then can I update and add details
to that page and it will grow over time.

The question If Mr. Lüling was using Magnets on or within its Armature, definitely has its place to be asked. We did the same, many times, but so far I can't
find any evidence that backs this up. So for now, I would say No. Neither the shown motion nor the mechanical details we can see, shows any sign of a Magnet
that rotates with the Armature. If someone finds anything that proves me wrong, I am happy to update those findings.

Regarding the way of Neutralization, I like to call it that we are lost in definitions. For my understandings, Ufos definition describes it as extrinsic, while
Mr. Lüling describes it as intrinsic.

And btw: Mr. Lüling never claimed that he has built an OU device. Only that its rotation is caused by Magnets, instead of Gasoline ignition.

@Ufo,
I am thinking of this for quite some time...
Compared to an ICE, like in a car, If I shift the first gear, and the rpm goes down, I put the pedal down, and the rpm goes up.
If I maintain this, it will keep my speed and rpm up. This is more or less done by changing the amount of Gas and Oxygen that ignites.
How do you maintain the speed, or rather the rpm? How do you change the amount of Gas and Oxygen? And what is your Gas and Oxygen?

What happens with your motion if you leave the outer repulsion side out? I've noticed on a test rig, the way how you pull the attraction side away,
will give the rotor a different push.

Regards
Semi


Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 05, 2022, 03:28:59 PM
If rotor is not a magnet, i would love to hear a SENSIBLE theory of exactly what is happening. How is it prevented from sticking.

Proceeding with the assumption rotor is a magnet..

If we look at https://youtu.be/WT_UIpbFKc0?t=31 as rotor spins toward the camera, opposite to working direction, and the part that goes back n forth in work direction is stationary, it moves smoothly, apparently without slightest cogging. Obviously, whatever forces present are balanced.

One possible explanation is that rotor is attracted to the stationary plate with square hole, let's call it the U plate, and the oscillating block, let's just call it the block, behind is a repelling magnet, perfectly neutralizing the attraction.

In work direction, the  block is moved back and rotor is attracted to the U plate and when it's just about to stick the block is released, neutralizing the attraction and rotor moves forward without cogging.

The issue with this is that the block would stick to U bar and system would not be efficient.

However this can be easily solved by widening the hole in the U bar and shortening the block, so rotor is attracted to the U bar on the sides, far from the center, and is repelled by the block in the center, so when block moves away after neutralizing the attraction it hardly sees the U bar at all.

Also important note that U plate is covering another metal block, maybe solid or hollow, may be ferromagnetic or not. Many maybes. That is why in my opinion is better to take from it what makes most sense to you are the principles used, but not copy it literally.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Semi on April 05, 2022, 04:00:09 PM
Thank you for your quick feedback.

May I ask what makes you assume the rotor is a Magnet? Or has a Magnet?
Did you see something that hints to it? Maybe you can point me to some frames?

In Frame 1892 I named some parts to identify them.
What is the Magnet or rather the Magnet-System? (https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/)

I did some testings regarding the Magnet system. And it seems that the two outer Blocks are Magnets.
The middle one could be iron. If the two arcs are covering top and bottom of these Blocks, the armature can pass.
If one is open or rather swung away, it attracts the armature.

This is also backed up with Frame 2537. Where you can see that an Arc without Arm is put on Top of the Blocks to have this
side's Magnet System neutral at all times. The actually Arc that is usually in charge of doing so, is parked away, which can be seen as
well, in the same Frame, and Frame 0655.
Without the arm was necessary, so that the Camera can look through but keep the Motor able to operate.

Ufo had the thought, that with these two arcs per Magnet System, one could change the direction of the rotation.
Which sounds reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 05, 2022, 04:25:30 PM
@Ufo,
I am thinking of this for quite some time...
Compared to an ICE, like in a car, If I shift the first gear, and the rpm goes down, I put the pedal down, and the rpm goes up.
If I maintain this, it will keep my speed and rpm up. This is more or less done by changing the amount of Gas and Oxygen that ignites.
How do you maintain the speed, or rather the rpm? How do you change the amount of Gas and Oxygen? And what is your Gas and Oxygen?


Hello Semi,


The Air Pressure regulation is your "accelerator" (in my model, my concept though)
When Air pressure lowers, the Piston does not fully strokes outwards, hence, the air gap is not spread to a maximum, so, speed decreases.


And so, in just a mechanical setup (no pneumatics), it bolts down to the Air Gap of your Neutralization switching side, whether it is Attract or Repulse side.


Of course, in more advanced models, we could also adjust the Stationary side Air Gap, and by widening it (in either sides) the speed will come down.

What happens with your motion if you leave the outer repulsion side out? I've noticed on a test rig, the way how you pull the attraction side away,
will give the rotor a different push.

Regards
Semi


In my setup, the Repulse side is the Force side to propulse Rotor...if I take off Stator side Repulse magnet, Neutralization is gone...and so the attract side, with two Neo's 52 grade at close gap, will stick so much, that I do not think, even the 65 Newton Force of air piston, would separate them.

This is all about Geometry, Semi...all magnets or electromagnets have an Imaginary Bisector line that crosses between both poles, perpendicular to Bloch Wall, right at the center of magnet embodiment, and so this line will serve as your "timing" line, as it also dictates the Rotation sense.


This Bisector Line is also applicable for PM or Universal DC electric motors timing setup.


If this line between magnets in the Rotor versus Stator is fully aligned into a straight line...when you separate attraction, it could fire in either direction, randomly...so, to prevent this, Rotor Bisector Line must be aligned passing the Stator line towards the direction of rotation desired...just one to two degrees will do it.


And so, also adding to your previous question of how to accelerate or keep steady this motor, this Angular settings between Rotor Bisector line versus Stator Bisector Line will also contribute to Motor Force...or the wider this Angle, the slower and less force motor will have...the closest the two angles, like 1 or 2 degrees...will add a Higher Torque that will develop in higher speeds.


However, varying this angle, while motor is running, will require some clever mechanical build on the Stator Magnets Base.


Air Pressure regulation being much easier to apply while running, and conveying the same results.




Hope this answers your questions.




Regards Friend






Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 05, 2022, 04:30:06 PM
You are using different terminology so it's hard to understand what exactly you mean by arcs, by outer blocks (i assume you mean middle plate to the left and right from the central hole but maybe you dont)... It's next to impossible to understand each other like this. We must use exactly the same terminology. Can we for sake of simplicity keep calling the middle plate U plate and oscillating block just the block.

Now, if rotor is not a magnet how come it passes so effortlessly by the stationary U plate and the block, without any cogging.

Clearly, if rotor is steel and either U plate or the block are magnetic, rotor would stick, but it does not...

You seem to suggest flux is diverted and you presumably mean this is done in work direction. How exactly did you imagine this, as i said before whatever you use to divert the flux becomes a new sticky point (more on that below).

But before all i'd like you to explain why rotor does not stick in first 3 rotations linked above.

Now, this is definitely not how Luling did it but it's worth mentioning and i already mentioned this on another thread. How to shield the magnetic field without sticking. By using block which is made of finely adjusted array of same pole magnets forced together on iron plate of proper thickness.

Say you want to shield attraction without sticking since you suggest rotor is not a magnet...

This has to be made so precisely so that when this shield is put in exact middle between the stator magnet and rotor steel, the repulsion of the magnets of the shield facing the stator magnet is perfectly neutralized by the thickness of the iron in front or behind these magnets, so shield can be inserted or removed effortlessly.

Basically imagine few hundred small neodymium blocks all forced together in an iron sleeve of proper thickness, adjusted so that at certain distance it can totally shutter the stator magnet with minimum investment of energy.

This is one clever design that is delicate to make but would solve the issue. However there is no evidence Luling used this type of shield.

Something along the similar lines but not too close

https://youtu.be/QGKGoXD8P5A?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o&t=344
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Semi on April 05, 2022, 04:53:04 PM
You are using different terminology so it's hard to understand what exactly you mean by arcs, by outer blocks (i assume you mean middle plate to the left and right from the central hole but maybe you dont)... It's next to impossible to understand each other like this. We must use exactly the same terminology.
Yes this is soo true. That is why I named the parts in my Frame pics.

Can we for sake of simplicity keep calling the middle plate U plate and oscillating block just the block.
To be honest, I can't even follow you what you mean by U-Plate.

Now, if rotor is not a magnet how come it passes so effortlessly by the stationary U plate and the block, without any cogging.
Clearly, if rotor is steel and either U plate or the block are magnetic, rotor would stick, but it does not...
What makes you think this? In fact, on my testings the Iron bar dropped as soon as I put the upper bar on top.
It was still attached, but it was totally separated with a very light touch. So I would guess, it is a bit like Ufos rig.
In every resolution the Magnets will stick or rather cog, but the momentum will be enough to push it further through.
And in "real time" you won't notice it, as soon as it starts spinning.

The Air Pressure regulation is your "accelerator" (in my model, my concept though)
When Air pressure lowers, the Piston does not fully strokes outwards, hence, the air gap is not spread to a maximum, so, speed decreases.
And so, in just a mechanical setup (no pneumatics), it bolts down to the Air Gap of your Neutralization switching side, whether it is Attract or Repulse side.
I have noticed the speed on how fast you are pulling it away, matters as well.
So this actually means, that an Air Flow Regulation to the stroking piston would be the Gas Pedal. Mechanical factors like Air Gap etc. are fixed.

This is all about Geometry, Semi...all magnets or electromagnets have an Imaginary Bisector line that crosses between both poles, perpendicular to Bloch Wall, right at the center of magnet embodiment, and so this line will serve as your "timing" line, as it also dictates the Rotation sense.
Ok so even by leaving the repulsion side out, the back stroke will cause a rotation, but its direction is undefined. Got it.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 05, 2022, 04:57:43 PM
Yes this is soo true. That is why I named the parts in my Frame pics.
To be honest, I can't even follow you what you mean by U-Plate.

I mean the plate with square hole in the middle between rotor and oscillating bar.

Quote
What makes you think this? In fact, on my testings the Iron bar dropped as soon as I put the upper bar on top.
It was still attached, but it was totally separated with a very light touch. So I would guess, it is a bit like Ufos rig.

I have not seen your test so i have no idea what exactly you mean.

You will best answer my question if you say, which part of the stator is in your opinion a magnet and how come rotor does not stick to it as it glides by it totally effortlessly during 3 turns (linked with timing above).

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Ufopolitics on April 05, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
Ok so even by leaving the repulsion side out, the back stroke will cause a rotation, but its direction is undefined. Got it.


No, Semi, I edited my answer...


If you take off the repulsion side at stator...Neutralization is gone, so the attraction side increases to max values, I doubt there would be enough force on Piston to separate those two magnets at the gap it does when repulsion stator side is present.


I have not done that test ...however, I know how it works if even the repulse side air gap is spread too much...




Regards




Ufopolitics
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: Semi on April 05, 2022, 05:22:53 PM

No, Semi, I edited my answer...
If you take off the repulsion side at stator...Neutralization is gone, so the attraction side increases to max values, I doubt there would be enough force on Piston to separate those two magnets at the gap it does when repulsion stator side is present.
I have not done that test ...however, I know how it works if even the repulse side air gap is spread too much...
Yeah I know, this is not about having your rig running with the Neutralisation gone. I've just observed that behaviour on my
test rig, and I was wondering how yours would act. If you find the time to test this, would be nice to know.

I mean the plate with square hole in the middle between rotor and oscillating bar.

I have not seen your test so i have no idea what exactly you mean.

You will best answer my question if you say, which part of the stator is in your opinion a magnet and how come rotor does not stick to it as it glides by it totally effortlessly during 3 turns (linked with timing above).
True I am sorry. I need to put those pics on that page as well.

Using my Terms from the Frame 1892
https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/Frames/1892.jpeg
https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/Frames/1892_Marked.jpeg

It seems most likely to me that the 1st and 3rd Block are the Magnets.

And as you can see in your linked Video, the upper and lower arc are resting on these blocks. So the armature can pass.
This is Mr. Lülings neutralised stage as I conclude.
It feels like I am repeating my self. You can PM me, so we don't litter this thread too much.
Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: nix85 on April 05, 2022, 05:38:25 PM
True I am sorry. I need to put those pics on that page as well.

Using my Terms from the Frame 1892
https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/Frames/1892.jpeg
https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/Frames/1892_Marked.jpeg

It seems most likely to me that the 1st and 3rd Block are the Magnets.

And as you can see in your linked Video, the upper and lower arc are resting on these blocks. So the armature can pass.
This is Mr. Lülings neutralised stage as I conclude.
It feels like I am repeating my self. You can PM me, so we don't litter this thread too much.

It's ok, i seen that marked frame. But don't you see what you call first and third block are but parts of one plate with square hole in the center. But let's say 1st and 3rd block are magnets as you say. Ok, so rotor is attracted to these blocks.

Yea swinging ARC is resting on the "blocks", and how do you u imagine the neutralization here?

Title: Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
Post by: memphiss on October 24, 2022, 06:36:45 PM
Hi guys, I'm following your reasoning, since I've been studying the Luling engine for some time, I saw that since April you don't write anything anymore, there are no updates, why ...? have you stopped having given up, or have you made progress and keep it to yourself? in any case I am sorry that the tredd has stopped like this ..... I was going to try to make it happen, but without the advice of someone who has tried, I see it hard .... If someone wants to answer me, I'll do it pleasure.