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Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #165 on: January 24, 2022, 06:41:40 PM »
By the way...@All

Here is a MUCH BETTER High Definition Video of Lüling Motor.
In 4K UHD that I did directly from copies from the Original 35mm Celluloid Track.
Thanks to Member Semi, from Germany, who purchased these original frames from Bundesarchive.


It have Subtitles in German, English, Spanish, Portuguese...


Now You guys can see every single detail, bolts and nuts...pistons and actuators more clearly... ;D


Lüling 4K UHD from 35mm Original Film




Cheers




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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #166 on: January 24, 2022, 08:02:44 PM »
Thank you very much Ufopolitics for taking the time to highlight the most important aspect of getting this engine to work. It was immediately clear to me in the video that it has to be a very fast sharp push back, that's why Luling opted for compressed air with which you can make such a fast sharp push back quite easily. In the example my push disk is just put down to show where I want to go, it is clear that it will not work there at that position. I will have to study what mechanical constructions there are for such a task. The great thing about this machine is that we don't have to gamble. It is very clear what needs to be done and how everything works. You made a cristal clear video and showed the world a device THAT WORKS! I'm going to move to the builder's forum you're suggesting, and go from there.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #167 on: February 18, 2022, 09:37:11 PM »
I'm a little late but as a bit steel is becoming magnetic it flips its domains into Alinement until there all used up then what happens is the flux field Punch's though and expresses its self on the other side .as it fills it has one polarity opposite to the magnetic source but once filled its over powered by the source a aperance of polar flipping .this is how the Wesley magnetic neutral zone motors worked it needs a wide spread of the polls .you can use two neos on a bar and a bit of plate steel and a compass or a bit of iron stapler opened up.the stapler flips at the reversal point as the compass flips. They used horse shoe magnets back then and only needed 1/15 of a inch of movement to work it .and he made a electrical generator with it utilizing the  flipping polarity.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #168 on: February 18, 2022, 10:36:21 PM »
I'm a little late but as a bit steel is becoming magnetic it flips its domains into Alinement until there all used up then what happens is the flux field Punch's though and expresses its self on the other side .as it fills it has one polarity opposite to the magnetic source but once filled its over powered by the source a aperance of polar flipping .this is how the Wesley magnetic neutral zone motors worked it needs a wide spread of the polls .you can use two neos on a bar and a bit of plate steel and a compass or a bit of iron stapler opened up.the stapler flips at the reversal point as the compass flips. They used horse shoe magnets back then and only needed 1/15 of a inch of movement to work it .and he made a electrical generator with it utilizing the  flipping polarity.
Hello Jimbo,


Are You saying that Iron-Steel swaps, flips Polarity when facing a Permanent Magnet Pole??


Because the above is completely wrong!!

If you put two neos at each end of a steel bar...depending the polarity you are using towards the steel, you get different results:

1- if you set bar as NEO 1[N/S] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [N/S] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[N/S] [S STEEL BAR N] NEO 2 [N/S]
2- if you set bar as NEO 1[S/N] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [S/N] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[S/N] [N STEEL BAR S] NEO 2 [S/N]
3- if you set bar as NEO 1[S/N] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [N/S] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[S/N] [N STEEL BAR N] NEO 2 [N/S]
4- if you set bar as NEO 1[N/S] [STEEL BAR] NEO 2 [S/N] the steel bar will become as: NEO 1[N/S] [S STEEL BAR S] NEO 2 [S/N]


And no, the steel bar in example 3 & 4 has not become a "Monopole", but just being the host of the Repulsion Interaction between both end magnets poles.

The Steel only becomes an extension of the magnetic field POLE that it is closer to, or touching, or sticking together.
This can be clearly seen with cheap, magnetic viewing film...


Steel is also utilized to "Redirect" magnetic Field Polarity, a clear example is in a car Alternator Center Rotor Steel Core Upper and Lower Claws and Coil at center...




Cheers




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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #169 on: February 25, 2022, 07:09:24 AM »
I guess I didn't make it clear   if you use a horse shoe magnet or two magnets with a steel bar or strap connecting them to  create a horse shoe magnet then approach a steel strip a little larger than the set up it will show a polarity of opposite the horse shoe magnet till all the domains are used up then there's no ware for the source to go so it moves though and around the steel strap plate .you can place a paper staple on the steel strap and it will stick there until you reach domain saturation then it flips because of the new conditions .this is the heart of the neural line motors .but mass density of the strap and the fource of the magnets and there distance from each other comes in to play .give a quick test .the flipping is a good indicator .its scalable .

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #170 on: April 01, 2022, 08:49:35 PM »
This guy shows how he thinks Luling motor is constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw

Key point being that magnets are magnetized along the long axis. I believe this way there is less tendency for sticking.

But i am not sure if there are stator magnets as he shows.

Anyway i don't think anyone should build a magnet motor and then fight against lenz.

I see em as toys, a waste of time.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #171 on: April 02, 2022, 07:09:02 AM »
Thanks for the post but I've never much cared for cad hypotheticals .cads are good for explaining known systems but guessing isn't more than guessing .if he had build a wanky prototype to get the gest of its workings that might work good but just guessing isn't much use .

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #172 on: April 02, 2022, 12:20:45 PM »
Welcome. Ofc it's "just" a cad, that is irrelevant, it could as well be a hand sketch.

What matters is the principle. The question if there are stator magnets and are the rotor magnets polarized along the long axis.

Again, low power magnet motor can be built relatively easily, these are toys. Big ones ala Luling would be useful to run a car or a boat but to make a big one one would need to really put himself into it for quite some time and invest money, i know from experience how expensive machining is and how they rarely get things really as you want them, it turns into hell real quick. This is best to play with for someone who has a machine shop and can machine the parts himself. I love the idea, i would do it for fun, but with so many better ways, i see it as waste of time.

Here are few magnet motors. I have no doubt these are real but none of them will give you kilowatts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsGhllSgpLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me0s25_Xbnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkcFRLQiVGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73R6dMJRCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLF9UJDbkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #173 on: April 02, 2022, 04:51:06 PM »
This guy shows how he thinks Luling motor is constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw

Key point being that magnets are magnetized along the long axis. I believe this way there is less tendency for sticking.

But i am not sure if there are stator magnets as he shows.

Anyway i don't think anyone should build a magnet motor and then fight against lenz.

I see em as toys, a waste of time.

That video has no relation with Lüling’s motor, not even close.

It seems clear to me that nobody posting here has made the effort to seriously investigate Semi’s efforts. Or some of you have and are just keeping quiet about it.

BTW, the motor in the Lüling video is a crippled, stripped down version that simply demonstrates the principle of how it works.

Cadman

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #174 on: April 02, 2022, 06:30:55 PM »
That video has no relation with Lüling’s motor, not even close.

It seems clear to me that nobody posting here has made the effort to seriously investigate Semi’s efforts. Or some of you have and are just keeping quiet about it.

BTW, the motor in the Lüling video is a crippled, stripped down version that simply demonstrates the principle of how it works.

Cadman

Funny. I'm sure you "know" exactly how it worked and have built a replica at least as powerful as the original, in fact, i'd bet it's already powering your car and your house.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #175 on: April 02, 2022, 07:55:33 PM »
No need to be a smart ass. I’ve studied it enough to know what I said about that video is true and the motor was a crippled version.

And no I don’t know exactly how it worked, no one does because there are obviously missing components as evidenced by the empty attachment points.

I do have a theory, based on the video evidence and experience, solid enough to put my money where my mouth is. Is my theory right? Don’t know yet. A build is in the works.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #176 on: April 02, 2022, 08:27:36 PM »
Well, you sure sounded like a smart ass. You could've put that energy into figuring out and building the system rather than empty words. And no, video is not completely off, in the worst case it's got basic, obvious components right. For details, as you say yourself, you are not sure.

Unlike what you're trying to make it appear, this system is not really complicated, pulling the steel bar at proper time to avert the sticky point is the key point and everyone knows that. The rest is precise machining and placement of parts.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #177 on: April 02, 2022, 08:59:53 PM »
You made me chuckle! Now who is talking like they know all about it. What basic obvious components does the video have right? Hmm? Name them.

How am I trying to make it appear complicated?

“Pulling the steel bar at proper time to avert the sticky point is the key point and everyone knows that.”
Really? I guess I have it all wrong then.

“You could've put that energy into figuring out and building the system rather than empty words.”
Take your own advice.


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #178 on: April 02, 2022, 09:48:27 PM »
You made me chuckle!

You made me laugh out loud since your first rant.

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Now who is talking like they know all about it. What basic obvious components does the video have right? Hmm? Name them.

Did i say i know it all, no. I clearly said i do NOT know are magnets polarized along the long axis, are there stator magnets or not.... but basic components are obviously C shaped alnico magnets and steel stator bars on springs..did you even watch the original video with Mr Luling Stephan translated. Are you denying these are the basic components lol.

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How am I trying to make it appear complicated?

You talk about it as if there is some mystery in it only you figured out while it is in reality as Mr Luling says, simply pulling the steel away just before magnet is about to stick, carrot and the donkey effect, no big mystery, just a lot of precise engineering.

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“Pulling the steel bar at proper time to avert the sticky point is the key point and everyone knows that.”
Really? I guess I have it all wrong then.

God knows how you have it, you never said what's your "theory".

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“You could've put that energy into figuring out and building the system rather than empty words.”
Take your own advice.

You started the useless rant so indeed, you wasted your time and energy and now you're wasting mine and everybody else's.

Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #179 on: April 02, 2022, 09:56:18 PM »
This guy shows how he thinks Luling motor is constructed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGx_XQTOHw

Key point being that magnets are magnetized along the long axis. I believe this way there is less tendency for sticking.

But i am not sure if there are stator magnets as he shows.

Anyway i don't think anyone should build a magnet motor and then fight against lenz.

I see em as toys, a waste of time.


Hello Nix85,


Sorry, but that video is absurd, makes no sense at all.


There must be Neutralization of magnetic field forces, before even starting to put it together, whether is CAD or in a Real Build, guy don't even mentions that word...


These motors are not build to beat Lenz...they are built to prove magnets do have energy and usable.


And you are under estimating the forces in Magnetic Fields...


My Build, has been the best so far ever replicating the Lüling Magnet Motor (modesty aside...lol)...as a matter of fact, I went above his RPM´s (298) to 415 RPM´s....and I am only using "one module" built so far...as Lüling has Four Modules in his running prototype.


Lüling uses either Pneumatic or could even be Hydraulics (too slow in my opinion) to make required reciprocations to brake neutralization at the perfect timing...


Lüling was applying this reciprocations of the steel arc (seen on the running prototype) in order to brake neutral point before reaching sticky point.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM




PD: I am not trying to start any new discussion here...just rendering my opinion.