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Author Topic: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor  (Read 83318 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2021, 02:03:59 PM »
Well, we can do that too.
It was done a few years ago.
Only not pneumatics, but an electromagnet-solenoid pulls off a permanent magnet.
Device V-gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #91 on: September 06, 2021, 03:44:19 PM »
I am pulsing a ferrite rod with a reverse bias neo backing magnet through the center of a ring magnet and shiting the field polarity of the ring. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeeivXPsuro

The rod retracts itself and supplies a reverse pulse to boot. This power pulse is free power. This free pulse is equal in power to the primary input pulse. This motor would be Overunity by the percentage of BEMF recovered from the coil's backspike!

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #92 on: September 06, 2021, 04:33:02 PM »
There may be an additional sheer to push pull power ratio to the already OU design. There appears to be a strong advantage!

Coupled tub motor's would allow for accurate output power measurements.

Lulling oscillates ferrite between magnet poles with a clumsy cam and shaft. Same trick.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #93 on: September 06, 2021, 06:47:36 PM »
Well, we can do that too.
It was done a few years ago.
Only not pneumatics, but an electromagnet-solenoid pulls off a permanent magnet.
Device V-gate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjAQUkHuTn8

Hello kolbacict,

Lüling Motor does not uses electromagnets, nor any electricity to run,...and that is the main point...
The moment that an electromagnet is utilized, it is just another Electromagnetic Motor, out of the thousands types and models out there...period!!

Now find me out there, a Magnetic Motor, that only uses Permanent Magnets and Compressed Air...none, except Lüling.

I could have done that too, of putting electromagnets galore...as well...  ;)


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #94 on: September 06, 2021, 07:48:49 PM »
Luling is "Sheering" magnet poles with a ferrite keeper. The principle of operation is unique and distinct regardless of the power mode.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2021, 08:00:21 PM »
The pneumatic version does not use the same shield effect. The builder substituted the compressed air force to power the unlatching.

Look closely at Luling's schematic and you will see he rocks a ferrite keeper to the side to unlatch the attraction. This puts the shear force to work rather then the brute pull apart of the magnets by compressed air force.

The attraction is to the backing magnet behind the ferrite. This is the single most important thing to understand about this type of motor.

It would require very little pulse power to neutralize the ferrite with an electric coil. An attraction Bedini in Adam's resonance would be equally overunity.

A high perm ferrite "Orbo" style toroid would attract and neutralize the opposite magnets with the greatest minimum of power. The input power to run four finely tuned Luling motors at full speed with "Orbo" neutralization coils would not lift the needle off the resting peg of an amp meter.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2021, 08:16:09 PM »

Lüling Motor does not uses electromagnets, nor any electricity to run,...and that is the main point...
The moment that an electromagnet is utilized, it is just another Electromagnetic Motor, out of the thousands types and models out there...period!!

Now find me out there, a Magnetic Motor, that only uses Permanent Magnets and Compressed Air...none, except Lüling.



Hello Ufopolitics,


compressed air has to be compressed and that costs energy. I gues you use a compressor driven by an electric motor.


Does the Lüling Motor generate more energy than is necessary to compress the air which keeps it turning?


It is difficult to measure, but it should be measured.


Do you claim overunity?


Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2021, 08:59:27 PM »
The Luling compressed air motor rotor does two entire reveloutions from one release! Luling's repulsion force must be thousands of times greater than any shearing force that might be expended by a neutralizing Orbo pulse. It looks like the builder keeps the attraction magnet retracted for the second rotor round. This would require two pulses of the Orbo coil.

Half Luling's Power must come from the attraction force. A second Orbo coil would turn it into a KeYho masking attraction design.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2021, 11:55:59 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2021, 11:53:15 PM »
Looks like this. An Alnico Flynn would work well to latch off with double neos between the two 3 stator pairs.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2021, 04:35:10 PM »

Hello Ufopolitics,


compressed air has to be compressed and that costs energy. I gues you use a compressor driven by an electric motor.


Does the Lüling Motor generate more energy than is necessary to compress the air which keeps it turning?


It is difficult to measure, but it should be measured.


Do you claim overunity?


Greetings, Conrad

Hello Conradelektro,

Nope, I did NOT claim Overunity...since I need an external source of Energy to operate it...
Not yet...hahahaha
You are right, Air needs to be compressed...but what a simple operation man!!...compared to "building" some gasoline or Diesel Fuel to fill your tank in order to run your car Uh?

There are ways to use a compressor as Closed Pneumatic System...it is already out there...the suction part of compressor is done from a low pressure tank...where all the air pistons and valves exhaust to...while the high pressure tank supplies the required psi to keep system running. Compressor has two functions here...as a purge valve from low to high tanks...and as compressor of air... ;D

And yes, of course a secondary air motor could also be running just the compressor.

Regards

Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2021, 05:03:09 PM »
The pneumatic version does not use the same shield effect. The builder substituted the compressed air force to power the unlatching.

Look closely at Luling's schematic and you will see he rocks a ferrite keeper to the side to unlatch the attraction. This puts the shear force to work rather then the brute pull apart of the magnets by compressed air force.

The attraction is to the backing magnet behind the ferrite. This is the single most important thing to understand about this type of motor.

It would require very little pulse power to neutralize the ferrite with an electric coil. An attraction Bedini in Adam's resonance would be equally overunity.

A high perm ferrite "Orbo" style toroid would attract and neutralize the opposite magnets with the greatest minimum of power. The input power to run four finely tuned Luling motors at full speed with "Orbo" neutralization coils would not lift the needle off the resting peg of an amp meter.

Hello Synchro1,

You are right...I used a different setup than Lüling uses on his running prototype on video.

But before going into details...let me say this...please!

In order to fully understand Lüling Principle of Operation, you must FIRST understand his NEUTRALIZATION process.
If you do not...then you all would be making a lot of assumptions and theorizing over wrong conclusions, due to incorrect understanding.

Neutralization is based on balancing as close to ZERO as possible, by using two opposed forces of about same magnitude...simple
Lüling uses ATTRACTION to propulse Rotor.
I used Repulsion to propulse my rotor.
Both are based on the same principle.

Once you have a Neutralized System, based on a REPULSION versus an ATTRACTION Force, opposed and easy to spin freely its rotor...
Now, whenever you weaken, anyone of the two forces...the other one, will increase to a maximum capacity.

I weakened my ATTRACTION side, by spreading the gap with the air piston assistance...therefore, unleashing the Highest REPULSION Force at 180º...NOW, this "momentum" when I turn OFF Neutralization takes place at a certain specific point...after magnets have passed the BISECTOR ALIGNMENT, according to the desired ROTATION DIRECTION...CW or CCW.

Lüling weakens the REPULSION Side, when the massive steel arc swings forward and seats exactly at the GAP of the Repulsion side, thanks to its SQUARE HOLE, allows it to travel exactly between both magnets, one at rotor, other one at Stator.
Repulsion weakens just because magnets will no longer repulse between them, but instead, BOTH would be ATTRACTED to that Massive Steel Plate seating exactly at their gap.
Then at exactly 180º, the ATTRACTION Side will gain FULL CAPACITY...attracting rotor to align at a DEAD CENTER POINT....

But then, Neutralization would be turned ON, just before the "Sticking CENTER POINT" or TDC...and Rotor passes freely because Plate has RETRACTED and REPULSION gained its STRENGTH BACK...NEUTRALIZATION is back ON.

Finally...this neutralization process needs to take place TWICE PER RPM...exactly as Lüling explains on his video...not one word less, not one word more...

Simple stuff guys!!... ;D

Regards


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2021, 05:20:51 PM »
Hello to ALL,

A couple of things I would like to clarify here are...

1- I use Compressed Air Piston to ASSIST in turning OFF Neutralization, a mechanical spring, built in piston will retract it MECHANICALLY or TURN BACK ON Neutralization (just because I am not using a DOUBLE ACTION PISTON)...BUT, the Compressed Air Piston NEVER runs the Rotor guys!!

If I take off ALL MAGNETS from my setup...and just leave Air components...you could spin that rotor as much as you please....and full closing of the loop in rotation WILL NEVER, EVER take place without the Magnets on.

2- In my video, when Motor is fully running with the two actuating rods to valve...and then I pulled that Knob outwards, and hold it....I am actually CHOKING the Motor.
Just like when you put your open hand in the Air suction Throttle of your Gas Engine...just to observe how long it takes to regain its operating RPM's when you take hand off...

On video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM at minute 25:34 on

Conclusion: Magnets are the ONLY ones Propelling Rotor to a full speed....and out of the Four Magnets I used, ONLY TWO in the REPULSION SIDE are the ones in charge of running the Rotor.

Just wanted to make sure you all understand this points.

Thanks

Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2021, 05:48:18 PM »
@Ufopolitics,

Thanks for the clear explanation. The hi perm ferrite "Orbo" neutralization coil between the stator and repulsion rotor magnet still offers more efficiency and control then Luling's clumsy mechanism.  The motor rotor has to stop and go backwards to recock after a complete revolution right?

The COP should improve driven by Mosfet.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2021, 06:38:46 PM »
A GAP coil like the one pictured above would run the motor from the repulsion neutralization pulse with Mosfet timing and neodymium magnets.

The critical factor is wether the input to load the gate to TDC by neutralization is less than equal to the force of the gate release or not? The gate force is usually equal to the loading force. Luling's design may add advantage to one side.

The action is fascinating because as Ufopoltics explains, the rotor stops and reverses direction a few degrees to load and release the gate! Luling's design may have unbalanced the force ratio. Definitely worth taking a closer look at!

Luling's obsolete patent compares to a camshaft distributor and mechanical contact points for automotive ignition. Luling's design apparently trips the keeper with rotor tourque by camshaft and axle arm.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2021, 07:59:59 PM »
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Nope, I did NOT claim Overunity...since I need an external source of Energy to operate it...
Well, yes. I understood this from this text.