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Author Topic: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor  (Read 85400 times)

Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #150 on: September 27, 2021, 11:48:39 PM »
Gentlemen
I believe this has already been mentioned
However
Note to UFO politics


Here at this forum there was a section set aside for builders sharing their work
It allows management of contributions by host/builder ( would be UFO in this case)


Sometimes it is necessary to limit overzealous off topic contributions in “builders boards”
And host ( UFO?) can manage,organize or remove inappropriate contributions.


For clarity these sections once established are like separate forum areas that can have multiple
Threads !


I highly recommend this for builders


Respectfully submitted
Chet K


Ps
I will be sending Stefan a note later on another topic
If you like I can let him know to watch for request ( he is always having many ongoing projects
And does get overwhelmed with requests at times, this however should go to front of list if requested


IMO
People who take the time to build and share are the most valuable asset the community could ever have !
And their time should never be wasted or disrupted!
Not just one mans opinion...


Hello Ramset,


Thanks for all your help!!
And yes, I did write to Stefan Hartmann about opening a Luling Builder's Thread where I will expose all details on my setup, plus future builds.


Kind Regards my friend!!




Ufopolitics

Offline knovos

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #151 on: January 16, 2022, 11:05:01 PM »
Very inspiring. I immediately went to the drawing board to make a design. I was wondering if it is possible to make the pullback (neutralization) mechanical instead of compressed air. That mechanism should be adjustable as well. I will be back here too.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #152 on: January 17, 2022, 03:02:56 PM »
With what software have draw that ? is it a free software ?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 07:12:37 PM by activ25 »

Offline knovos

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #153 on: January 17, 2022, 10:20:53 PM »
With what software have draw that ? is it a free software ?
I use Autodesk Fusion 360. There is a free license available for hobbyists. Fusion 360 is THE CAD-software used in the 3D printing world (in the maker/DIY segment) but also high-end professional if you pay for a more expensive license. The hobbyist license is more than enough to make complex designs.

Offline knovos

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #154 on: January 19, 2022, 09:50:44 PM »
This is my idea for the adjustable magnet and how it might be mechanically neutralized. The small disk is attached to the turntable and is adjustable for the right moment. He bounces against the larger round disc that is attached at the bottom of the magnetholder. The magnet will be pushed outwards (neutralized). I am a 3D printing specialist, so everything will be made with this technique, except some metal bearings, threads, nuts, washers, and such.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #155 on: January 19, 2022, 09:59:32 PM »
took some parts away to show the magnet block better

Offline rstergar

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #156 on: January 19, 2022, 11:12:59 PM »
Hello, long time out of this project :)

Now i see you came with new idea and I was thinking how to get rid of an air mechanism and let the motor do the job by itself...

I find some idea worth trying, because its very plausible... here is animation: https://youtu.be/4EwS92NLLgw

and here is image...

If I will have time I will try to build this ;)

Best regards from Slovenija

Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #157 on: January 23, 2022, 07:16:32 PM »
Hello,


It is great to see you are working on this project, at least in Graphics...


I will give you some tips about your above graphic plus your video...
You can NOT add any more magnets around the adjusting magnet!!
By doing this you will immediately break Neutralization, becasue of other magnetic Fields distorting the Neutralization Effect.

So, no, you can not use but JUST the Magnets that are INVOLVED in the Neutralization.
Otherwise it will kill it, and it may try to find its own neutralization "naturally" like magnets always do.




Regards




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Offline Ufopolitics

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #158 on: January 23, 2022, 07:23:01 PM »
Some common Info about Magnetic Neutralization:

FACT 1: Magnets, always try to find their own "Stabilization", or We could call it also "Neutralization"...if they are thrown randomly and loose, they will turn around, and end up sticking all together...or even fixed and set in a Rotor and Stator...they will always find the "Spot" where they will stick...and motion is finished.

FACT 2: We MUST FORCE our own Neutralization, by following the Graphics I have rendered before.
And You could add more magnets, as long as they are set in PAIRS of Attract-Repulse SETS, exactly at 180º EACH PAIR.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Offline knovos

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #159 on: January 23, 2022, 11:22:01 PM »
I think I have it all worked out (digital). I had printed out a few parts but when you finally have them in your hand you often see whether it will work or not. The parts shown now are therefore thicker and stronger. I also had to come up with something else for the push disk. This can now be adjusted at the right time and a second can easily be added. I also made an adjustable distance on the stator side to be as flexible as possible, there is of course no push disk on the stator.

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #160 on: January 23, 2022, 11:27:09 PM »
side view

Offline Floor

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #161 on: January 24, 2022, 01:40:00 AM »
Looking forward to your findings with this kind of configuration.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...

In general..

At from  very near  to   near   distances
attractions are stronger than repulsions. 

At far distances
repultions are stronger than attractions.

Of course,  both  the attractions and the repulsions are weaker at
farther distances.

There is a range of distance in which
         there is a cross over
                        and
attraction becomes equal to repulsion.

       also

The     far ends or poles     of the magnets can be more involved in the
interactions than one might expect.

Force neutralization between 3 magnets

      Part 1 @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0md2
      Part 2 @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f0o4w
... ... ... ... ... ...
                              In this magnet configuration
                            only two magnets are involved.

                     @ https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d

           Force neutralization occurs as a result of N to S and  N to S balancing.

       The back sides or faces of the the magnets are very involved in the interactions.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 08:37:48 AM by Floor »

Offline knovos

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #162 on: January 24, 2022, 03:30:13 PM »
Looking forward to your findings with this kind of configuration.

                              In this magnet configuration
                            only two magnets are involved.


I have seen with my own eyes and you can also in the video, that this configuration with only two magnets works (no offense).
That is amazing and that's why I'm trying to replicate this device which is very good explained by Ufopolitics. The big question is that I'm trying to replace the air pressure with a mechanical solution.
This could be a disaster, we will see.


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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #163 on: January 24, 2022, 05:04:51 PM »
Hello Knovos,


Your design is very well done!!
Your setup is nice, although there are some things that need some repair before you go to the real build.

First, your actuator on the rotor, to push the lower cam under the magnet is set off in timing.


Second: The actuation of the retracting magnet must be very sharp and abruptly and right at the spot where I am pointing in my RIGHT SIDE graphic.
Other words, it can NOT be a smooth curve before the timing mark, otherwise you will weaken the attraction before the repulse magnet has passed Bisector, hence it will not run, but kick in the reverse sense than shown.

In order to make a mechanical system that replaces the air valve and piston, it MUST work exactly the same way!

You are welcome to make your own thread on my Builder's Thread about Luling


Lüling Builder´s Thread


You are welcome to open a "New Topic" there, any help, just ask me.

I am very glad that someone at last, get hands on a CAD and start working this!!

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Re: Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor
« Reply #164 on: January 24, 2022, 06:07:57 PM »
@Knovos,


Here is the "Whole Picture" so you understand it completely... 8)


On the Right hand side I made a Graphic of Time/Degrees of Rotation versus Gap Separation...

The Blue Curve is exactly what we are looking for, in order to obtain MAX Rotation (one thing here, the more the Gap separates, the stronger the Repulse Forces, then, the Faster and Higher Torque the Motor will run)


The Red Curve is WRONG, and it is what We obtain when using a typical Cam-Cam Follower...and the problem is, as you can notice, that starts separating magnet BEFORE Zero mark, which is where all magnets are aligned by same Bisector Line.




Cheers




Ufopolitics