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Offline PIH123

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PESN
« on: June 24, 2015, 04:33:35 AM »
How do people here feel about PESN making money via visits and posts to their website?
I am guilty of browsing there once or twice a day.
Until today.


Stuart is the main reason I never post there.
He consistently threatens to and actively bans.
Many posts get deleted.
So the site is not an accurate record of how people are thinking regarding the technology under discussion.

I don't like Sterling for many reasons, including:
Quest to Sup
Alphabetics
Pedophilia


I have always understood what to expect from them but am highly entertained by their MANY failings:


And then today............................
This is what they support.


Bill said
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Please, pretty please, have your German friends sue me; it would be a pleasure to shred your findings (and give me a profitable counter sue action).

Stuart replied
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Be assured they will.
I have seen the 100 odd legal notices already underway.
Stefan Hartmann's site has already been affected and they intend to close it down.


I would much rather see their website fail through lack of activity, than this one.

It is not that I believe ROSCH would be successful via legal means of shutting this place down,
It is the fight to prevent it which may end up costing  too much to contest.

Thoughts ?

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PESN
« on: June 24, 2015, 04:33:35 AM »

Offline MarkE

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Re: PESN
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 05:43:58 AM »
"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."  As foolish and despicable as some of the things that PESN are now doing are, one needs to see that these are the acts of people behaving as children.   That would be children whose fatherly Uncle Detlef has plied them with dreams of wealth from a rusty bucket.

Rosch have filled Stuart and Sterling's heads with multiple fantasies.  One vile and silly one is that Rosch are going to take some unspecified legal action against their critics.  This is a threat often engaged by scam artists.  People who have world-changing technolgies such as Rosch claim are too busy counting the immense amounts of money they collect than to bother with critics.  People who are pitching a false facade often find critics troublesome and sometimes do unscrupulous things to try and quiet them. 

PESN are now active partners with Rosch attempting to intimidate Rosch's critics.  They are acting very foolishly and despicably.  We will eventually see if PESN's behavior bring consequences.  As we speak, Stuart has announced that he is privy to lists of "legal notices" that Rosch intend to send out.  Stuart is warning people to avoid getting on Rosch's naughty list or they may get a "legal notice" as well.

It is high comedy that Rosch fed the PESN boys the lie that herr Michael Adolph the Ph.D. from RWTH Aachen whom station WDR is a fake.  Rosch further convinced PESN that Rosch are suing the television station (WDR) over their report that featured herr Adolph because he is as PESN falsely claims: "a fake".  The PESN boys did nothing to check Dr. Adolph's very real credentials, or his long running employment at the prestigious RWTH.  They just took the word of some people pitching violation of First Principles.  The PESN boys also know that Rosch filled their heads with the false idea that TUV has tested and endorses the plexiglass demonstration unit.  PESN know that TUV did neither.  This has not stopped PESN from promoting the false claims that TUV did both.  PESN has acknowledged that they have a commercial interest in promoting Rosch's false free energy claims.  If anyone needs to be concerned about being on the wrong side of a lawsuit or worse, it is the folks at PESN.



Offline PIH123

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Re: PESN
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 06:16:42 AM »
But Stuart has stated that part of Stefans website has been shut down already.

Surely he is not lying ?

Should we be careful in what we say about them ?
We might also be targeted individually.


I would not want to suggest that the top of that drive chain seems looser than the bottom,
hence providing solid proof that a "motor" was driving the whole shebang,
only to later find out in court that the photo was upside down or trans-versed.


would a disclaimer help ?
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Disclaimer
Legal - The information presented here should be considered HYPOTHETICAL,
to give you an idea of some of the problems and opportunities we face as a society.
Any relation to actual situations is coincidental.

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Re: PESN
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 06:16:42 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: PESN
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 06:29:40 AM »
But Stuart has stated that part of Stefans website has been shut down already.

Surely he is not lying ?

Should we be careful in what we say about them ?
We might also be targeted individually.


I would not want to suggest that the top of that drive chain seems looser than the bottom,
hence providing solid proof that a "motor" was driving the whole shebang,
only to later find out in court that the photo was upside down or trans-versed.


would a disclaimer help ?
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Disclaimer
Legal - The information presented here should be considered HYPOTHETICAL,
to give you an idea of some of the problems and opportunities we face as a society.
Any relation to actual situations is coincidental.
Stuart expresses many fictions.  He has repeated several in the last week that he obstensibly got from Rosch. 

I would not know if Stefan has done something in reaction to any contact from Rosch. 

Buckets of water with bits of rusty machinery in them do not make free energy.  That would require a First Law of Energy violation.  No such thing has ever been known.  The boys at PESN have already blinked by claiming that Rosch says the magic free energy only partly comes from the water column and part of it comes from the "generator" and part of it comes from the control.  When one fantastical claim comes apart, adding two more doesn't make the first one more credible.

The last time I saw this sort of behavior was about nine years ago with Steorn.  They hit the streets with their phony claims of free energy from magnets, which PESN also embraced and still embrace.  Steorn made a bunch of noise about suing detractors.  They never filed a single complaint, even for show.  Intimidating critics is an act used by many scoundrels. 

One should always relate opinion as opinion and how they came to form it.  Conservation of Energy is an indisputable fact, not an opinion.

Offline PIH123

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Re: PESN
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 06:42:38 PM »
So, this really is happening.
Maybe I was just speculating or letting off steam, when I started this thread,
but it is now becoming a realistic possibility.


If you didn't know, today, Mark D at R-G has dropped all of the ROSCH articles and Carte Blanche has been given to edit / remove comments.


This site may be next.
Everyone, Save off all of your work.
If they go after Stefan (which seems highly possible), he may lose this place.


Who knows what content may be deleted and it will not be your decision.
If you have experimentation documented only here,
you might want to think about backing it up.



You will have no recourse against ROSCH if you lose it all,
as it will be done in house as is starting to happen at R-G.

Your only action course of action against the source,
would be to financially affect one of their business partners - PESN .
Every-time you visit / post there, they receive advertising revenue.


Sounds very dramatic I know, but it really did happen to the Discovery Channel forums a few years ago,
due to threats of lawsuits from show stars over the content of a couple of posts.
The entire suite of forums disappeared overnight along with millions of posts.

(BTW. this is not any kind of a dig at R_G, it is just to illustrate that there is real motion in this)

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Re: PESN
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 06:42:38 PM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: PESN
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 09:04:07 PM »
So, this really is happening.
Maybe I was just speculating or letting off steam, when I started this thread,
but it is now becoming a realistic possibility.


If you didn't know, today, Mark D at R-G has dropped all of the ROSCH articles and Carte Blanche has been given to edit / remove comments.


This site may be next.
Everyone, Save off all of your work.
If they go after Stefan (which seems highly possible), he may lose this place.


Who knows what content may be deleted and it will not be your decision.
If you have experimentation documented only here,
you might want to think about backing it up.



You will have no recourse against ROSCH if you lose it all,
as it will be done in house as is starting to happen at R-G.

Your only action course of action against the source,
would be to financially affect one of their business partners - PESN .
Every-time you visit / post there, they receive advertising revenue.


Sounds very dramatic I know, but it really did happen to the Discovery Channel forums a few years ago,
due to threats of lawsuits from show stars over the content of a couple of posts.
The entire suite of forums disappeared overnight along with millions of posts.

(BTW. this is not any kind of a dig at R_G, it is just to illustrate that there is real motion in this)
R-G is concerned and acted preemptively because they have been told that Rosch intends to "target" them.  That is their choice to make.  The fact that Rosch does not evidence in any reasonable way their outrageous claims of violating First Principles but instead through their self-proclaimed new business associates PESN threatens legal action against critics speaks volumes.

Offline memoryman

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Re: PESN
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 03:32:36 AM »
I am the 'Bill' quoted in the post at the beginning.
As Mark already said, there is no chance that Rosch will be start a lawsuit; ever.
R-G started a new thread re the Rosch contraption.
Stuart lies frequently.

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Re: PESN
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 03:32:36 AM »
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Offline MarkE

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Re: PESN
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 03:43:58 AM »
I am the 'Bill' quoted in the post at the beginning.
As Mark already said, there is no chance that Rosch will be start a lawsuit; ever.
R-G started a new thread re the Rosch contraption.
Stuart lies frequently.
Yes, I am aware of a number of Stuart's lies.  Stuart appears as giddy as a school girl thinking that he is an inside man in Rosch's supposed legal strategy.  Rosch may file suit in a jurisdiction such as GB, but they will be absolutely insane to try almost anywhere in the USA.  IMO, they should be saving their pennies for defense counsel.

It looks like PESN is busy whittling its way back into the echo chamber mode it was in before Aaron Willis sort of took over.  Sterling has gone right over the cliff in his attacks on herr Adolph.  There is no small irony that Sterling who operates with extreme bias, and has been wrong every single time he has been convinced that some free energy claim is real, dares lecture herr Adolph about objective examination.  As he has been many times before, Sterling is 100% convinced that Rosch have what they claim, he is 100% unjustified, and 100% wrong.

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Re: PESN
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 03:53:54 PM »
oops

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 03:53:54 PM »
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Offline markdansie

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Re: PESN
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 03:58:11 PM »

If you didn't know, today, Mark D at R-G has dropped all of the ROSCH articles and Carte Blanche has been given to edit / remove comments.


(BTW. this is not any kind of a dig at R_G, it is just to illustrate that there is real motion in this)


I will be back with more stories including on Rosch. I am still posting on PESN
Consider it a strategic withdrawal.........I will be back soon
Kind Regards
Mark

Offline PIH123

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Re: PESN
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 04:47:01 PM »
FYI


For anyone wishing to view the discussions on PESN without attending
the site, and thereby lining their pockets through ad revenue,
you can access comments directly via DISQUS

https://disqus.com/home/forum/peswiki/

If you click on the "number of comments" for each article,
you will see the entire comment trail for that article.

BUT, If you click the title of the article, it will take you to PESN site.

This is how I get my fix of S & S insanity, and I feel better about not contributing via ad revenue.
I believe you can also post in this way also (with the 'join the discussion" box at the top), but I have not tested that.
 


Pete

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Offline MagnaProp

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Re: PESN
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2015, 10:04:30 PM »
How do people here feel about PESN making money via visits and posts to their website?...

That method of funding seems fine. I don't know why anyone would visit that site though. Sterling still appears to have a large connection to the site and he is an admitted Pedophile. In his struggle with lust addiction video he says (1:39:00- "...doing things with under age people, yes I have crossed that line...").

Known pedophiles or people that work for them are probably not the best place to get your fee energy info from.

 

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