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Author Topic: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)  (Read 34797 times)

TinselKoala

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2015, 05:53:50 AM »
SIGH....

seychelles

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2015, 07:41:51 AM »
great job tinsel great job lol..
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seychelles

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2015, 07:44:03 AM »
so this lamp is let us say 15w and how much is this circuit consuming in WATS not mambo jumbo..

TinselKoala

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2015, 07:55:59 AM »
so this lamp is let us say 15w and how much is this circuit consuming in WATS not mambo jumbo..

More importantly for replicators... is that screwdriver a Phillips, or a PoziDriv?

gotoluc

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2015, 10:09:02 AM »
More importantly for replicators... is that screwdriver a Phillips, or a PoziDriv?

Looks to be both  ;)

Luc

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2015, 10:44:47 AM »
Thanks for sharing these videos. They were highly relevant to the topic of extracting energy from the ground!

I did a replication of your setup and of course referenced your prior video. See 'Convert HV to mains voltage via water capacitor, double arc and ground wire' 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVIqUlAdYY

I think it is a concept worth developing further. If anyone has been down this road and knows how to ramp this up please comment.

Until then...no overunity performance is suggested or implied.

Hi radiant_one,

thanks for sharing your very clear to understand and clean experiment. The water capacitor is a very cool thing!

I would say to properly charge a 12vdc battery your battery charger output voltage would be regulated somewhere around 14.5 to 14.7vdc
So your input power is in the 18.5 Watts range.

I noticed the Ferrite of your Flyback seems to be cracked. Would this not affect the efficiency?

Thanks for sharing your experiments

Luc

pomodoro

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2015, 10:47:35 AM »
Radiant one, there is an old video with Dollard and some other legends, who discovered an attracting force from a light globe that was lit by a tesla coil receiver. They placed a paper card on a string near the lamp, and found that it was attracted to the lamp, although there was no electrostatic charge on the lamp. How about you dangle something like that near the lamp and the water capacitor to see if that shockwave you felt does something to the paper. Good video!

pomodoro

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2015, 01:42:48 PM »
Here is the video, start watching at 20:00 to see the 'force' I'm talking about.  It uses a piece of copper foil, not paper as I previously thought.
The demonstration damn cool, I wish someone could replicate this part of their experiment. It seems to show a force from the HF powered light bulb that feels like a push to a human, but pulls in metallic objects. It doesn't seem to be of magnetic origin since copper is not attracted to a magnet.  I don't know of any scientific explanation for this. They seem to have shown that electrostatics is not responsible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2015, 08:51:33 AM »
Here is the video, start watching at 20:00 to see the 'force' I'm talking about.  It uses a piece of copper foil, not paper as I previously thought.
The demonstration damn cool, I wish someone could replicate this part of their experiment. It seems to show a force from the HF powered light bulb that feels like a push to a human, but pulls in metallic objects. It doesn't seem to be of magnetic origin since copper is not attracted to a magnet.  I don't know of any scientific explanation for this. They seem to have shown that electrostatics is not responsible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM

I tried as you suggested, seeing if copper foil suspended from clear tape is attracted to the light bulb in my recent experiment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVIqUlAdYY)

Yes it is but the effect is much weaker in my setup than Eric Dollard shows. Still I'm sure his setup was consuming way more than 13watts input!!  Turns out my battery charger is on the way out and is only putting out 11.88v unloaded and 10.33v when bulb is brightest. I need a new battery charger.


pomodoro

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2015, 03:06:30 AM »
That is interesting. About the spark gaps, are two really necessary? What happens if you short the glass gap and just use the screw driver?

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2015, 01:46:42 PM »
That is interesting. About the spark gaps, are two really necessary? What happens if you short the glass gap and just use the screw driver?

No it turns out the first arc is not needed. I am compiling the next video and it explains what is needed from the arc. 

pomodoro

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2015, 02:25:31 PM »
That video will good to see. 
  I'm not all that familiar with TV  flybacks but from memory some (if not all) have a diode in the output. This means that your 'Layden Jar' can build a voltage up from successive pulses,  and when this voltage exceeds the spark gap voltage, the current is dumped into the light globe.  If others try this with induction coils instead,  there needs to  be enough energy from the coil to charge the cap to the gap breakdown voltage during each pulse, thus keeping the coil discharge aperiodic.  Because if the cap can't discharge,  its stored energy from the pulse   will flow back and forth into the coil with a period of 2PI(LC)^0.5, wasting a huge amount of power in the large resistance of the coil's secondary. In this case ,unless the exciter is tuned very precisely to the same period or one of its close subharmonics, the cap may never build enough voltage to discharge.

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2015, 05:58:04 PM »
Hi there guyz,

Radiant_one,
Nice work, replicating and trying the device out, yet I see you have managed to connect it differently but working as how it should.
Try this time to connect the ground line strait to the cold end of the Flyback, it will be the only connection to the cold end.
 and the rest of the circuit is how you have it hooked up 
and where you have the screw driver you could
place a separate ground that is 1 to 2 meters away from the the ground pin,
be experimental there ;) to see if there is difference. this is setup 1.
Btw the first SG is not needed in your setup because of how you have your setup a bit differently man ;),
check out on my schematix and my vids once more. try to replicate it as how I have, to see a difference. :) try it

And the other setup, connect the ground Only to the Aluminium wrap side of the salt water capacitor,
that is setup 2.

Important for builders, it would not matter if it's a screw driver or some other metal object for the experiment after the 2nd SG
, don't know if pure ferrite does anything different there, but I learned if the surface is large enough just like my bench iron plate, acting like a aerial plate,
the output is brilliant.

I will share with you the two setups I have down here in schematix, you will see a difference in how the wiring setups are.

There is so much more to figure out and we'll eventually figure something ;)
Any questions are good.

Cheerz~

pomodoro

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2015, 02:09:26 AM »
Conventional theory would treat the large steel plate as a capacitance to ground, which essentially closes the loop for the flyback output. A good idea would be to have a similar bulb powered by DC next to the pulsed one to judge power output.

Hoppy

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Re: Ground Energy Extraction (GndNrgEx)
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2015, 10:19:12 AM »
Conventional theory would treat the large steel plate as a capacitance to ground, which essentially closes the loop for the flyback output. A good idea would be to have a similar bulb powered by DC next to the pulsed one to judge power output.

Experimenting using these low to high voltage transformer circuits demonstrates how a ground and / or metallic plate connections can alter impedance matching, resulting in load lamp brightness variations. The overall electrical throughput efficiency of this type of voltage transformation arrangement is poor and clearly better efficiency is achieved by directly powering the lamp from the DC power supply.