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Offline Magluvin

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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #105 on: June 09, 2015, 02:52:02 AM »
No current will be produced by moving the stator wires or brushes through the field,as both  the negative and positive side of the wires/brushes are moving together through the same field at the same time,and thus the net result would be zero.

I like this setup where he has counter rotating disc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKr8ub5ZXls

If so, then that would indicate a charge already set up in the disk??? Could we just put a bunch of connections around the disk and just switch from one to the next and pull current??? Hmm, I think we are misinterpreting some things possibly.


Not sure I understand that vid.  Are the disks on the same side of the magnet? Why do they counter rotate? Is one disk reacting off of the other to counter rotate?


Why is my post reply box 8 feet long???

I get more and more feelings of wondering if the site is going to work for me today, every day.  Almost every day the site is either down at some point or something is going on. And if its backup of the site, there is no message of doing so like there used to be.  Even when I check the site on my cell phone, this site will shut down my phone browser. but no other sites do that. None of them.

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Re: The bearing motor
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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #106 on: June 09, 2015, 04:10:59 AM »
Not sure I understand that vid.  Are the disks on the same side of the magnet? Why do they counter rotate? Is one disk reacting off of the other to counter rotate?


Mags


Mags,


Both disks are on the same side of the magnet.  The force is in the same direction for both disks, however they counter rotate because the forces are on different sides of the center of rotation.  The force is on the left side of the top disk and on the right side of the bottom disk, thus a counter rotation.  There is no force on the right side of the top disk and no force on the left side of the bottom disk.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2015, 06:23:26 AM »

Mags,


Both disks are on the same side of the magnet.  The force is in the same direction for both disks, however they counter rotate because the forces are on different sides of the center of rotation.  The force is on the left side of the top disk and on the right side of the bottom disk, thus a counter rotation.  There is no force on the right side of the top disk and no force on the left side of the bottom disk.


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No
It dosnt matter what side of the disc the wires are on, the force will still be in the same direction as we are dealing with circles.
The disc spin in opposite directions because one wire is the positive, and the other wire is the negative-the current flows are in different directions, an thus so is the rotations.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2015, 06:34:29 AM »
No
It dosnt matter what side of the disc the wires are on, the force will still be in the same direction as we are dealing with circles.
The disc spin in opposite directions because one wire is the positive, and the other wire is the negative-the current flows are in different directions, an thus so is the rotations.

Yeah, I understand that the wire can contact the disk anywhere on the outer perimeter to get the same results.

And now I understand that one disk has current running opposite of the other. ;)

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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #109 on: June 09, 2015, 12:51:51 PM »
No
It dosnt matter what side of the disc the wires are on, the force will still be in the same direction as we are dealing with circles.
The disc spin in opposite directions because one wire is the positive, and the other wire is the negative-the current flows are in different directions, an thus so is the rotations.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #110 on: June 09, 2015, 12:56:59 PM »
Yeah, I understand that the wire can contact the disk anywhere on the outer perimeter to get the same results.

And now I understand that one disk has current running opposite of the other. ;)

Mags


The current is running in the same direction relative to the magnetic field for both disks.  The current flows from the edge of the top disc to the center of the top disc, and then flows down the conductive axle where it then flows from the center of the bottom disc to the edge of the bottom disk.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #111 on: June 09, 2015, 01:44:12 PM »
Interesting , I wonder why he cut the spirals into the discs', where Tesla said to put raised ridges on the disk in a spiral pattern?
If he just motored one disc , could he collect off the other?
Thanks for linking that video ,got some ideas to try.
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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #112 on: June 09, 2015, 11:24:02 PM »
Interesting , I wonder why he cut the spirals into the discs', where Tesla said to put raised ridges on the disk in a spiral pattern?
If he just motored one disc , could he collect off the other?
Thanks for linking that video ,got some ideas to try.
artv


The logarithmic spiral is the shortest spiral with the maximum torque.  I provided a reference link a few posts back on the logarithmic spiral.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2015, 12:50:43 AM »

The current is running in the same direction relative to the magnetic field for both disks.  The current flows from the edge of the top disc to the center of the top disc, and then flows down the conductive axle where it then flows from the center of the bottom disc to the edge of the bottom disk.


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Oh dear. ::)

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Re: The bearing motor
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« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2015, 01:50:37 AM »
Oh dear. ::)


Yes, it's a big bite to swallow for someone who is so far off.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2015, 02:13:53 AM »
I don't have any copper plate to try this, would aluminum plate work?
It must have something to do with the eddy currents.
Gravok, I skimmed your link and will read later, Thanks for that.
How much potential can be generated with this type of set-up?
The heavier the copper ,the more amps?
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« Reply #116 on: June 10, 2015, 02:23:24 AM »
I don't have any copper plate to try this, would aluminum plate work?
It must have something to do with the eddy currents.
Gravok, I skimmed your link and will read later, Thanks for that.
How much potential can be generated with this type of set-up?
The heavier the copper ,the more amps?
artv


Yes, an aluminum plate will work.  A larger diameter disk and magnet increases the voltage.  Higher rpms and stronger magnets will also increase the voltage.  A thicker copper disc for more amps.  Eddy currents only occur when the outer rim of the conductive disk is larger/outside the magnetic field.


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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2015, 06:32:10 AM »

Yes, it's a big bite to swallow for someone who is so far off.


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I think you need to revisit your statement.
On one disc we have current flowing from the outer circumference to the center of the disc. On the second disc we have the current flowing from the center of the disc to the outer circumference.  As the disc are the conductors, we now see that the current is flowing through those conductors in opposite directions. How you came up with current is flowing in the same direction through the conductors has me lost. You need to think a little more on the magnetic fields produced by a ring magnet also.

This is when people get lost, when people like yourself go making incorrect statement as youjust did.

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« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2015, 06:42:36 AM »
I would need to see that to believe it.   If you take 2 disk mags and have them face each other say 1in apart, and the magnets are set up do they can spin on axis, if you spin one, the other wont spin. There is zero force on the other magnet to spin with the other.

Likewise, we cant get the disk magnet to spin using dc through a wire, no matter the position or orientation of that current carrying wire. The field from the wire will only affect the magnet as a whole, not as if the field lines are teeth of a gear and torques the magnet into rotation.

The key idea of having the ring magnet mounted to the copper disk in a homo polar dynamo is the fact that the magnet rotates with the disk yet the disk still produces current. But if we mount a magnet to the end of a coil and move the magnet and coil through space, what ever direction, we get no current in the coil. So the solid ring magnet mounted to the copper disk and when they rotate together, current is produced in the disk, is a very very special case in point.   

The very foundation of that destroys the idea that there are no field lines along with the idea of change in field strength on a conductor is needed to produce mutually inducted currents in the conductor.

But this is pretty much the only special case for that argument. At least that I know of.

What attracts me to the idea of having the ring magnet attached to the rotating copper disk is the possibility of no drag when currents are sent to a load..  Typical gens need increase in input as the load increases. But here with the magnet spinning with the disk, if we draw current from the disk, is there a need for more input torque to overcome drag/lenz? And if so, with the mag spinning with the disk, what is causing the drag if the 2 components are mounted and spinning as one?

So say if there is no drag. Is that the secret to a true lenzless gen? ;) And if there is drag, what are we dragging against? The field itself, as these fields are all around us?  If so, then that is possibly the holy grail of solid state motion devices. If we can drag against it, then we should be able to produce motion with it by pushing and/or pulling against it, like a silent ufo, car, plane, etc.

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Mags
I believe I have a version of the homopolar generator that will have very little CEMF. The CEMF is created at the outer contact brush, so we need to get rid of that brush. I have a design that has both brushes on the shaft, and none around the outer perimeter of the disc.
I will draw it up tonight.

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Re: The bearing motor
« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2015, 10:01:22 AM »
Take a look  it is rotating, no anything but flowing of water only. ;D
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