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Title: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 26, 2015, 10:45:52 PM
Hi

I am after a little advice on timing circuits. I am after a timing circuit to control the timings of the charge and discharge of a capacitor. I was going to use the 555 timer circuit from the SG, until I realised the timer starts running as soon as the main switch is thrown. It is independent of the speed of the wheel. So any change in rpm and the timings will have to be adjusted. Any Ideas of how this can be done with tieing the timing circuit into the actual wheel? I have attached a pic of the circuit I was going to use or see link below.

http://johnbedini.net/john34/Rad+monopole.jpg

Thanks

Nathan
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: MarkE on May 26, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Hi

I am after a little advice on timing circuits. I am after a timing circuit to control the timings of the charge and discharge of a capacitor. I was going to use the 555 timer circuit from the SG, until I realised the timer starts running as soon as the main switch is thrown. It is independent of the speed of the wheel. So any change in rpm and the timings will have to be adjusted. Any Ideas of how this can be done with tieing the timing circuit into the actual wheel? I have attached a pic of the circuit I was going to use or see link below.

http://johnbedini.net/john34/Rad+monopole.jpg

Thanks

Nathan
If you want to make the pulse width inversely proportional to the wheel speed using analog circuits: then use a 555 or other monostable with a fixed width to generate a tachometer voltage, then buffer the tachometer voltage into a voltage to current source connected to the timing capacitor of a second 555 or other monostable.  Alternatively, you can just program an Arduino.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 26, 2015, 10:57:23 PM
If you want to make the pulse width inversely proportional to the wheel speed using analog circuits: then use a 555 or other monostable with a fixed width to generate a tachometer voltage, then buffer the tachometer voltage into a voltage to current source connected to the timing capacitor of a second 555 or other monostable.  Alternatively, you can just program an Arduino.

Thanks Mark, although that did go a little over my head :D. Im trying to capture the bemf from the main pulse. I want to capture the bemf in a very small time frame and then pulse it back.

Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: MarkE on May 26, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
If you want to put all the BEMF energy back into the power supply then you want a full H bridge.  The venerable L298 from ST Micro will work for up to 2A and comfortably into the 12V supply you have, but it needs four diodes.   It is over 30 years old so there are lots and lots of example circuits on the web.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 27, 2015, 08:52:51 AM
Oh yes, I have briefly looked at the H bridge before. Do you think it's the right way to go in a OU machine? It looks like there could be a fair amount of wasted energy there?  How would you control the switching?  :)
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: MarkE on May 27, 2015, 01:42:02 PM
Oh yes, I have briefly looked at the H bridge before. Do you think it's the right way to go in a OU machine? It looks like there could be a fair amount of wasted energy there?  How would you control the switching?  :)
The chances of getting OU from a Bedini machine are indistinguishable from zero.  That said a good H bridge can be very efficient.  Before I can offer more specific design help I need to know more about what it is that you want to do.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: tinman on May 27, 2015, 02:57:18 PM
Oh yes, I have briefly looked at the H bridge before. Do you think it's the right way to go in a OU machine? It looks like there could be a fair amount of wasted energy there?  How would you control the switching?  :)

I have to ask-where is the OU machine you wish to make this circuit for?
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 27, 2015, 06:57:35 PM
I have to ask-where is the OU machine you wish to make this circuit for?

Errrrr, in my workshop.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: tinman on May 27, 2015, 07:21:18 PM
Errrrr, in my workshop.

OOhhhh
You have an OU machine in your workshop.
This should be good ;)
May we see a picture of this OU machine?.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: MarkE on May 27, 2015, 07:28:52 PM
The NSA is listening!!!
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 27, 2015, 10:33:10 PM
Yep, the NSA may be listening. Well the machine is for my own amusement, I'm just building it to see if I can. I have no intention of making money, making electricity etc etc etc. in fact I'm with the NSA on this one. If OU devices suddenly appear in the world there would be chaos, governments would fall, the world would fall apart! We are in a catch 22!, or maybe more appropriately, dammed  if we do, dammed if we don't.  :D
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: allcanadian on May 27, 2015, 11:19:58 PM
I like this circuit --http://overunity.com/1868/a-working-radiant-free-energy-system/#.VWY1h9JViko -- by Ossie Callanan called "a working radiant free energy system". You can find the pdf file online which explains everything in detail.


I tested this a long time ago and it is pretty interesting considering how few components are involved and it is light years ahead of the Behoudini setup in my opinion.


AC
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 27, 2015, 11:28:20 PM
Thank you Allcanadian. I appreciate that. at least not everyone is a idiot like Tinman ;)
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: tinman on May 29, 2015, 05:30:58 PM
Thank you Allcanadian. I appreciate that. at least not everyone is a idiot like Tinman ;)

An idiot is some one who thinks they have an OU SSG lol.
You will have no worries with the NSA on this one,although the men in grey coats may be looking for you soon enough lol.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: nathanj99 on May 29, 2015, 08:11:10 PM
Timman, I find your comments in this post negative, sarcastic and basically malicious. Just because I have not yet learnt electronics and I am building a machine in my garage you think I will fail. Personally I salute any person who attempts something when the odds are against them. I feel that perhaps bring a member of this forum is not right for you! You have no idea what I am capable of. My area of expertise is molecular genetics, quantum physics and artificial intelligence.

I request that you no longer comment on any of my posts.

Thank you

Nathan
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: tinman on May 30, 2015, 04:51:58 AM
Timman, I find your comments in this post negative, sarcastic and basically malicious. Just because I have not yet learnt electronics and I am building a machine in my garage you think I will fail. Personally I salute any person who attempts something when the odds are against them. I feel that perhaps bring a member of this forum is not right for you! You have no idea what I am capable of. My area of expertise is molecular genetics, quantum physics and artificial intelligence.

I request that you no longer comment on any of my posts.

Thank you

Nathan
And yet it was you that insulted me first by calling me an idiot. This is odd considering it was you that stated you were building an OU device. I asked only to see this OU machine,and your reply was an insult toward me,and yet here you are saying that my comments are negative. You say that one of your areas of expertise is in quantum physics?. This is doubtful when you consider a simple hudini motor to be/or be capable of OU.

Well im a simple mechanical engineer,and i say that you will not succeed in getting your pusle motor to go OU. So now is your chance to proove me wrong,and if you do,i will resign from the forum-->hows that for a deal?.
But i do wish you all the best,and do encourage experimenting ;)
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: TinselKoala on May 30, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
It is as if they are all reading from the same script! And we've seen the reruns so often we know it by heart.

INT: DAY: FADE IN....

A: I have an overunity machine in my garage!
B: Oh yeah, that's great. Let's see it working!
A: You're a stupid idiot for not believing me!
B: I just want you to provide evidence for your claim, that's all.
A: What a troll! Why don't you stick your head back in the sand, or some other dark place!
B: So why don't you just refute me by showing your evidence?
A: Who's paying you to suppress me, the CIA or the NSA?
B: Where are your measurements?
A: Go Away! You should be banned for your negativity!
B: I just want to see some evidence for your claim.
A: You're nothing but an agent of suppression, and too stupid to understand that I'm the Free Energy Messiah!
B: (shrugs shoulders and walks away)

FADE TO BLACK....
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: tinman on May 30, 2015, 01:25:17 PM
It is as if they are all reading from the same script! And we've seen the reruns so often we know it by heart.

INT: DAY: FADE IN....

A: I have an overunity machine in my garage!
B: Oh yeah, that's great. Let's see it working!
A: You're a stupid idiot for not believing me!
B: I just want you to provide evidence for your claim, that's all.
A: What a troll! Why don't you stick your head back in the sand, or some other dark place!
B: So why don't you just refute me by showing your evidence?
A: Who's paying you to suppress me, the CIA or the NSA?
B: Where are your measurements?
A: Go Away! You should be banned for your negativity!
B: I just want to see some evidence for your claim.
A: You're nothing but an agent of suppression, and too stupid to understand that I'm the Free Energy Messiah!
B: (shrugs shoulders and walks away)

FADE TO BLACK....

Yes-unfortunately this is how it normally go's.
I only asked to see his OU device,so as could make sure he had enough clip leads,LED's,and un used- unnecessary old parts from tv PCB's.
Title: Re: timing circuit advice
Post by: tinman on May 30, 2015, 01:38:25 PM
Nathan

Here is a video i made many years ago,back in my early days of the bedini pulse motors.. You will see that having ample clip leads make's a difference :D--watch the current draw from the power supply when i loop the system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2GteX6j930

Now,if you think i have had not much to do with pulse motor's,then below is a link to a forum myself and another pulse motor guru made. I have since handed the reins to another member,as i didnt have time to keep the forum running. Here you will find a whole range of circuits for the pulse motor,and most of them were designed by the forum members them self-along with a few from me.

http://iaec.forumco.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=9