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Author Topic: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico  (Read 80827 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2015, 06:36:49 AM »
Yes, they have not yet answered my emails, cause they are probably just attending this conference
in Romania.
Hopefully we will soon hear more about it.

@MarkE,
Please stop the negative comments about it, until we get further informations.
The
solar headlights were added later.
In the first pictures they did not have any lights at all, so they just added them probably for convenience
and also to not disturb the other circuitry.

The control box for the whole system seems to be below the lead Acid battery...
A little hard to see, cause we don´t have good pictures of it yet..
I only grabbed a few pictures out of the first video.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2015, 09:32:10 AM »
Stefan, like most here I think that some editors misunderstood what these students put together and have printed claims that are completely wrong.  Eventually, we should be able to get enough material translated to see what it is these students actually claim and maybe even we will get to see how the scooter actually performs.  For example they may have bought or built power conversion electronics that accommodates motor generator voltage by boosting the battery voltage.  They may also have done something more clever than usual to get superior efficiency during regenerative braking.  Each of the super capacitors can store about 100J at 12V.  It is much more storage than needed to buffer motor PWM cycles, but it is much less than what would be needed to buffer the battery against an acceleration cycle lasting more than a second or two.  I think it is conventional technolgoy with a conventional result, but I also think it is good anytime kids work on real world technology problems.  The process teaches important skills even if the end product doesn't shake the pillars of heaven.  At any rate we will eventually see what if anything is unusual.

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2015, 02:32:12 PM »
Yes, they have not yet answered my emails, cause they are probably just attending this conference
in Romania.
Hopefully we will soon hear more about it.

Hi Stefan. Here is a photo from today of Victor Ricardo Garcia showing the R-Walker at the
Infomatrix competition in Bucharest, Romania.

http://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11130105_1000816399943369_7058123303511868359_n.jpg?oh=e2a39012db7a2c9305278b50ec97bee8&oe=560B47EF


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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2015, 02:32:12 PM »
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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2015, 02:51:06 PM »
This is the kind of project where part numbers for components should be readily accessible since it was once parts itself.
Building a duplicate of the electrical system attached to a piece of electrical conduit rather than to a scooter frame would
be very educational. It would be quite easy for them to swap components when something doesn't work.

Use the second motor to spin up to the primary wheel speed of 2000RPM and should this cause the system to become
self running. I dislike it when this type of project doesn't seem to follow a logical flow. There other thing is the use of
combustion terminology where there is apparently no combustion.

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2015, 03:21:32 AM »
  Most likely, the bike is not totally self sustaining, but yet can recharge itself to some limited degree.
I notice how they don't show a clear shot of the electric motor,  nor what the regenerative charging part is, or how it works.
Even then, it may be a start in the right direction, but it would also be nice to know how it's all set up.
  Not bad for a start...

   Look at something like the Tesla S, which only runs for 12 minutes, all out, before
draining the batteries to the point of them causing the shutting off of the input to the engine.
   http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-model-lasts-12-minutes-143930615.html
   

   But, Not so with this Tesla:












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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2015, 05:23:00 AM »
  Most likely, the bike is not totally self sustaining, but yet can recharge itself to some limited degree.
I notice how they don't show a clear shot of the electric motor,  nor what the regenerative charging part is, or how it works.
Even then, it may be a start in the right direction, but it would also be nice to know how it's all set up.
  Not bad for a start...

   Look at something like the Tesla S, which only runs for 12 minutes, all out, before
draining the batteries to the point of them causing the shutting off of the input to the engine.
   http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-model-lasts-12-minutes-143930615.html
   

   But, Not so with this Tesla:

Nick:

Exactly what I, and others, have been saying.  We don't think these kids are up to no good and making outrageous claims to scam money from folks.  No.

I think it is great that they have completed a project, and they get to travel to other countries to show off their work.  This is fantastic.  So what if it is not "self-sustaining" as the news reports claim.  I doubt that the kids, or their teacher ever made such claims.  This would certainly not be the first time that reporters made a few errors in covering a story.  Add to that, translations problems and...well...you can see what happens. 

The real story is these great kids, interested in technology, backed by a caring teacher, are now demonstrating their project in a foreign country.  This is something these kids will never forget.  Also, who knows...maybe they just found a way to increase the efficiency of electric bikes?

All I ever said was it could not be "self-sustaining."  I am very happy for these kids and, I am sure all of them will go on to discover who knows what and help to improve our understanding of science.  I just wish the reporters did not mess up like this.  Those kids deserve better than that.

Bill

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2015, 02:40:10 PM »
Hi All,
In the news, little technical information, almost everything is copy and paste
A little info:
http://www.diarioaxaca.com/pais/20-estados/83764-estudiantes-de-robotica-del-cobao-quieren-viajar-a-rumania

Battery start spark
A toothed belt moves the toothed wheel
Inside of the rim there is a dynamo, this collects the energy to run the electric motor

The set consists of battery, electric motor (2700 rpm) , toothed belt, toothed wheel, dynamo, capacitor

0.3 volts are lost in the conversion process

Sometimes they say that the battery is used only for the initial spark
Sometimes they say it is used to drive the electric motor

The battery has been 5 months without recharging

They claim self-sustaining, this was the goal in the initial project

I thought it was a green project, now I have my doubts.


http://youtu.be/nEPpQuDYId4
Small appearance on the minute 6:16

Another interesting link:
http://www.noticiasnet.mx/portal/oaxaca/general/educativas/274215-neuropower-del-cobao

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2015, 02:40:10 PM »
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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2015, 03:34:42 PM »
I just got a message from Victor. He wrote:

Hola soy el creador de r-walker. Una disculpa por no haber contestado antes este mensaje estabamos preparando nuestro viaje a rumania. Ahorita estamos en la competencia infomatrix y lo estamos presentado.. Mucho gusto mi nombre es victor ricardo matias garcia.
Que es lo que te gustaria conocer acerca del r-walker.

Means:

Hello I am the creator of r-walker. An apology for not answering before this message we were preparing our trip to Romania. We are right now in the Infomatrix competition and we are presented .. Much like my name is victor ricardo matias garcia.
 What do you like to know about the r-walker.

I wrote then back:

Hi Victor,
many thanks for answering.
Yes, I have seen that you went to Romania for this competition.
I hope you will win there.
Well, you have a pretty long name, I hope it is okay when I just call you Victor ?
I am writing this via the Google Translator website because I can not speak Spanish language.
I can only speak German language, my mother language and English language.
I hope the translation via Google Translator is readable for you.

Well, we are all very exited about your invention.
Is it only a range extender so you can drive further with one battery charge ?
Or do you really need not to charge your battery at all ?

Some people speculated that the Reuters report on your bike device had a wrong translation and your circuit might be only a range extender circuit, so you can drive longer with one battery charge ?

Otherwise will you soon publish some more data about it ?
Are you going to Open Source this technology ?

Are you using the BackEMF from the motor to recharge your Super Capacitors
and thus recharge your battery ?
Or do you have invented a special "back drag" free generator ?
Normally you always have the Lenz law against you to generate enough energy in the generator to overcome the losses.

So can you tell us some more information about this ?
Maybe some other people can try to replicate it and confirm your circuit ?

Many thanks.
Looking forward to hear more from you.
Regards, Stefan.


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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2015, 04:13:10 PM »
He writes back:

Bueno. Bien se save que en el mundo todo tiene que detenerse en alguna ocasion. Las maquinas de tiempo perpetuo no existen. Ni nada es para siempre. ... La r-walker tiene un sistema de generacion de energia que aprovecha la traccion del motor y la velocidad de las ruedas.bien lo comentas hay perdidas de voltaje. Sin embargo la bateria dura entre 11 y 13 meses con una sola recarga. Esto nos da a entender que el extensor de vida de una sola carga es bastante. Por lo que su rendimiento es autosustentable..
No te preocupes. Me puedes llamar victor. Espero no sea complicado poder traducir este mensaje a ingles. Mi lengua materna es español y me es un poco conplicado poder. Escribir el ingles.

Google tells me the translation is:

Good . Well you save that in the world everything has to stop sometime. Perpetual time machines do not exist. Nothing is forever. ... The r -walker has a power generation system that uses the traction motor and the speed of what you comment ruedas.bien no voltage losses . However the battery lasts between 11 and 13 months on a single charge . This implies that we Extender life from a single charge is enough. So its performance is self-sustaining ..
Do not worry . You can call me victor . I hope not complicated to translate this message into English . My mother tongue is Spanish and I is a bit conplicado power. Write English .

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2015, 04:17:00 PM »
Hi Stefan, appreciate the info, but I personally think it would be a good idea to let Victor know that you plan to
post his messages to you here in a public forum, if you haven't already, and get his permission to do so first. Otherwise
he might not be very happy if he finds out you are posting his messages here in a public forum.
Just to be on the safe side that he is fully OK with it. :)

With the information that Victor just stated about the battery going on one charge for many, many months,
Victor is likely to get all sorts of insults and very rude comments from certain members here... In my vew, he should probably 
be made aware of this likelihood as well. He may not wish to have his comments posted publicly here if he knows the
kind of reaction that will likely (actually definitely) occur here.

All the best...


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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #70 on: May 16, 2015, 05:00:29 PM »
la velocidad de las ruedas

The speed of the wheels

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2015, 05:20:45 PM »
Hi Stefan, appreciate the info, but I personally think it would be a good idea to let Victor know that you plan to
post his messages to you here in a public forum, if you haven't already, and get his permission to do so first. Otherwise
he might not be very happy if he finds out you are posting his messages here in a public forum.
Just to be on the safe side that he is fully OK with it. :)

With the information that Victor just stated about the battery going on one charge for many, many months,
Victor is likely to get all sorts of insults and very rude comments from certain members here... In my vew, he should probably 
be made aware of this likelihood as well. He may not wish to have his comments posted publicly here if he knows the
kind of reaction that will likely (actually definitely) occur here.

All the best...
Hi All,

+1

It must take into account that it is a minor.

To clarify translation:
"... La r-walker tiene un sistema de generacion de energia que aprovecha la traccion del motor y la velocidad de las ruedas.bien lo comentas hay perdidas de voltaje"

"The r -walker has a power generation system that uses the traction motor and the SPEED OF THE WHEELS.
YES, THERE ARE LOSSES OF VOLTAGE"

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2015, 03:40:45 AM »
The comment that it loses .3 of a volt is a completely meaningless term.
Is this a translation error?


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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2015, 03:45:46 AM »
The first sentence translates to:



Right
 It is to save the world - everything has to stop sometime.

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Re: R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2015, 03:54:46 AM »
The first sentence translates to:



Right
 It is to save the world - everything has to stop sometime.

Exactly, which does not really go with the term "self-sustaining." 

Stefan did a great job of getting this fellow to communicate with him.  Obviously, there are still some translations issues but, knowing Stefan, he will get to the bottom of it.  I really do not believe that these kids are making any OU claims, or any other wild claims with their device.  They do appear to be proud of the way it works and, since they are showing it at various contests, there must be something new about it.

I look forward to finding out exactly what they have built over there.  I do agree we need to give them the benefit of the doubt until we fully understand what the real workings are.

Bill

 

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