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Author Topic: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW  (Read 61802 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2015, 02:47:12 AM »
@MarkE
Thanks for the exegesis of my latest observation. I wonder if you were the best in the bible class. You are so resolute that Rosch KPP is a fake; no room for doubt. That's exactly whats going on. It's yes or no. No room in this 'fake KPP threat' for…maybe.
Maybe gives an opening to explore and that is not happening here. b.t.w. A good critic is an observator and not a dictator.
Rosch and their supporters are free to attempt to present reliable evidence at any time that would raise doubt against the presently irrefutable evidence against their claims.  Please:  Be my guest.  Pretending that First Principles do not apply because someone's claims depend on that fantasy doesn't create evidence in support of the fantasy.  So, please:  observe away.  Show reliable evidence that Rosch's rusting tower of trash produces energy net of its input.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2015, 07:03:25 AM »
I read up a bit today on this and it looks like it might be the old "generator is actually a powered motor" scam.
To test this idea it would be enough to compare the tension on the top of the chain loop, linking the motor/generator, to the bottom of the chain loop.

Can this test be done visually without touching the chain ?  e.g. the looser side of the chain should droop down or vibrate with lower frequency and higher amplitude.

If this cannot be done contactlessly then the next engineer that goes there for a demo, should bring a contact chain tension meter with them.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2015, 10:27:08 AM »
To test this idea it would be enough to compare the tension on the top of the chain loop, linking the motor/generator, to the bottom of the chain loop.

Can this test be done visually without touching the chain ?  e.g. the looser side of the chain should droop down or vibrate with lower frequency and higher amplitude.

If this cannot be done contactlessly then the next engineer that goes there for a demo, should bring a contact chain tension meter with them.
Take a pencil and ruler to the still shots.  Two straight lines one drawn tangent to the chain from each side and extending to the other end.  The included angle at each is the change in slope across the droop.  I have done that and posted the results at R-G.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2015, 10:27:08 AM »
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2015, 05:18:56 PM »
Take a pencil and ruler to the still shots.  Two straight lines one drawn tangent to the chain from each side and extending to the other end.  The included angle at each is the change in slope across the droop.  I have done that and posted the results at R-G.

there are enough shots of the chain with the droop on the top side to make this conclusive evidence of a motor drive rather than a generator. Nine of fourteen pictures that Sterling took show this droop.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2015, 07:32:17 PM »
The droop on the top versus the bottom is a tell-tale.  It is in one of the first two pictures that Stuart posted.  That is why I asked him to confirm the rotation direction.  Stuart on PESN insists that the top was more tense than the bottom.  He has not attempted to show that in any of the pictures.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2015, 07:32:17 PM »
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2015, 09:31:39 PM »
The droop on the top versus the bottom is a tell-tale.  It is in one of the first two pictures that Stuart posted.  That is why I asked him to confirm the rotation direction.  Stuart on PESN insists that the top was more tense than the bottom.  He has not attempted to show that in any of the pictures.

A proper check would destroy his position as chief goderator on PISN and chief engineer at the Rosch site :o

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2015, 01:38:58 AM »
A proper check would destroy his position as chief goderator on PISN and chief engineer at the Rosch site :o
Stuart has been caught out in a number of lies, and has also demonstrated an extremely poor grasp of elementary science.  For example he does not recognize that Rosch's claims are for perpetual motion.  He insists that he should be consulted and is credible because he went to Germany.  His lies, ignorance, and now PESN's commercial interest in Rosch's claims suggest differently.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2015, 01:44:11 AM »
Stuart has been caught out in a number of lies, and has also demonstrated an extremely poor grasp of elementary science.  For example he does not recognize that Rosch's claims are for perpetual motion.  He insists that he should be consulted and is credible because he went to Germany.  His lies, ignorance, and now PESN's commercial interest in Rosch's claims suggest differently.

It is so fitting when their own photographs and videos show the fraud involved. I guess stupid is as stupid does  :o

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2015, 11:49:40 AM »
It really makes me wonder where people who behave in these odd ways think things are going to end.  It is difficult to think that they actually think the magic they insist is present is going to work out for them.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2015, 11:49:40 AM »
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2015, 06:17:51 PM »
What about that transparent device on wheels?

Is it possible to go to Germany and measure that contraption with my own gear?
Would someone offer me some free housing if I traveled there?
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 08:35:20 PM by verpies »

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2015, 03:02:18 PM »
You might catch herpes verpies if you go there
What country you in son ????

Why bother with something that is in question ??? come to me and get the real thing !!! Does it matter how it works as long as it does the job !

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2015, 03:02:18 PM »
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2015, 12:28:09 AM »
I just dislike frauds and I am traveling in the neighborhood.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #102 on: July 02, 2015, 03:13:55 PM »
     Hello everyone, I am from France, I offer my concepte, if you are interested in her by her and chat with me, thank you for the questions                                      http://overunity.com/15847/total-mouvement-autonome-france/msg454472/#new     

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #103 on: July 02, 2015, 05:35:12 PM »
     Hello everyone, I am from France, I offer my concepte, if you are interested in her by her and chat with me, thank you for the questions                                      http://overunity.com/15847/total-mouvement-autonome-france/msg454472/#new   

why are you spamming every where on this forum ?

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #104 on: July 30, 2015, 06:20:12 PM »
I don't know why I was thinking back about this device since it seems to be proven dead.
 
I had a thought about the operation, which everyone assumes is like what is shown in the demo version, when I thought what if......
Suppose the floats are filled with air at the bottom but then sealed and the air pressure recovered by pumping them back down to atmospheric pressure into the recovery tank.
This would give maximum lift from full depth and recover air pressure to be used on the next float.
It seems a waste of good air pressure to just fill them full and let it escape on the way up or to only partially fill them and loose lift while waiting for them to expand on the way up.
 
Did anyone calculate the output using this process?
This would explain how they can use a compressor with such a low PSI rating and still fill the floats.
 
 

 

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