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Author Topic: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW  (Read 53091 times)

Offline PIH123

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2015, 04:31:17 AM »
Well, he may...I don't really know.  But, if you are correct and he does really believe...then what does this say?

Bill

It says that the outcome of his wager has already been decided by him.
And since he has TOTAL control of it,
he will do whatever it takes for him to be vindicated.
(aside from the fact that he is totally incapable of verifying anything technical as evidenced by SHT)

It is that important to him (and will ease some of his financial troubles at the same time).
He is offering a KPP to his ex.
But isn't she already re-married, and yet he gets to decide her new family's situation. Rather odd.

And he has already started writing about "unfortunate accidents" to famous people in his other quest
to bring them around to his way.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2015, 11:05:31 AM »
Vidar:

The funny thing is...when Sterling gets "fooled" he seems to make money.  This tells me he is all about the money and may know damn well a device does not work, but, if he "claims" it does, he seems to gets money. (Travel expenses to evaluate, vacation, etc.)  This is what I take from all of this.  It is my opinion based on my readings of what has been going on.  I have no actual information first hand to be able to declare any of my opinions as facts.  They are my opinions plain and simple.

Bill

PS  My disclaimers are not for you Vidar, they are there in case Sterling's legal people read this.
I follow you on this one. When I think about it, I think you're quite right about it.
Pity that people make mony fooling others. Overunity claims are not alone about this. It happens elswhere too. Very unfortunate I would think. Artificially increasing values from nothing. The hifi cable industry to mention one - where the claim is "better" sound just by changing the wrapping around the copper wires... ???  Claims indicating that the cable is capable of increasing levels, details etc - which of course is a claim of over unity too. Believers take the bait, confidently pays $ 10 000++ for a pair of exotic cables.


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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2015, 04:08:05 PM »
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2015, 12:47:47 PM »
I follow this investigation/stories about the Rosch Kinetic Power Plant for some time now. I respect the decision of Stuart and Sterling to go to Germany to see with their own eyes if this new way of energy harvesting is real. My question is; Suppose it is true, what now? Despite all the skepticism in this and other forums; what are you people go to do now? Nothing to argue about anymore. After years of longing for an abundance of energy, we are there at the wider horizon. Limitless energy for all. Leaving some of the OU forum members in total desperation. Because they search for the impossible and not the chance that PM and OU just exist. Why not making a small KPP for our family and friends? Although we don't understand the principle by now, if it works, it is worth making a replica of the mechanics and electric circuit. We can be part of this energy revolution. Just as we where part of the information revolution after the introduction of the home PC, mid eighties.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2015, 02:34:40 PM »
1: it' been shown to be a fake: 100%
2: maybe YOU have nothing better to do with your time/money to make replicas of fakes, but I do.
3: it's a fake.
4: see #1 and #3

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2015, 02:34:40 PM »
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Offline Berto3

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2015, 03:23:46 PM »
@memoryman
Why are you here on this forum? Only to find arguments why PM and OU can't exist? What or who has convinced you that the KPP is a fake? Do you have the courage to go to Rosch to investigate the system?
I would like having a space and people around me with the right intention to build an OU system. The only reason for me being on this forum is to find some arguments why this system can work. But I suppose this is not the right time. First some people here have to crack the nut of there own prejustice about the KPP system. Be carefull, there is no difference between believe in PM/OU or believe in scientific or mediated dogma. It has more to do with an open or closed mind. 100 years ago, people thought a plane could not fly because it was heavier than air...

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2015, 03:34:29 PM »
The plane argument is old and tired. Even Stefan Hartmann knows why is cannot work. Go to http://revolution-green.com/rosch-smoking-guns-and-the-scientific-explanation/ on some insight.
No, I don't have to inspect it personally to know it's a fake because I am that good.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2015, 04:01:54 PM »
Ok. The answer you give is exactly I mentioned as a closed mind. Cynism is a stong quality. Sorry I cannot handle that. End of discussion.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2015, 04:40:47 PM »
A closed mind is one that cannot consider alternative possibilities; if I had the desire, I could show you that I am the opposite of that, but seeing that your mind is made up about me, I'll pass.
Enjoy your closed mind (you have lots of company).

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2015, 04:40:47 PM »
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2015, 07:34:38 PM »
Here is the TÜV Report from the small model:

http://pesn.com/2015/06/20/9602633_Why-Im-100-percent-sure_Roschs-KPP-Free-Energy-Technology_Works/TUV-w-recactions.pdf
That is not a TUV report.  It is a report from a company called WTLab.  The report is a bit of a joke.  The claim is that the column of water and the passive bits within it generate energy.  The shaft mechanical output was never measured.  They did some odd things measureing only the generator outptu or the battery outputs but never both at the same time, and then they calculated efficiency in one case as:

Page 8 efficiency = (resistor load power - battery power) / (resistor load power + compressor power - battery power)

and in the other as:

Page 9 efficiency = (dc generator power  - compressor power)/(dc generator power)

Neither equation makes any sense in terms of evaluating the system.  There are other curiosities in the report including that the battery bank voltages were reported to be exactly the same: 29.45V. 

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2015, 07:35:56 PM »
I follow this investigation/stories about the Rosch Kinetic Power Plant for some time now. I respect the decision of Stuart and Sterling to go to Germany to see with their own eyes if this new way of energy harvesting is real. My question is; Suppose it is true, what now? Despite all the skepticism in this and other forums; what are you people go to do now? Nothing to argue about anymore. After years of longing for an abundance of energy, we are there at the wider horizon. Limitless energy for all. Leaving some of the OU forum members in total desperation. Because they search for the impossible and not the chance that PM and OU just exist. Why not making a small KPP for our family and friends? Although we don't understand the principle by now, if it works, it is worth making a replica of the mechanics and electric circuit. We can be part of this energy revolution. Just as we where part of the information revolution after the introduction of the home PC, mid eighties.
It is a bucket of water for crying out loud.  This is as insane as when Sterling believed that an empty rusting metal box was a working free energy machine.

Before you decide that I have a closed mind:  Rosch claim that the tall water column (big bucket of water) plus its rusting internal buckets, sprockets, and chains produces output energy on its shaft far in excess of the compressed air at its input.  They claim the excess is so great that when used to drive a generator, the generator in turn runs the compressor making up for all the inefficiencies along the way and has power to spare.  But no one, including anyone from the group that was there with PESN, and not PESN either, measured the mechanical output of the water column machinery.  In fact Rosch has never produced any measurements of that from any of their machines. 

So, on the one hand we have thousands of years experience that passive things:  rocks, sprockets, chains, bags of wet hammers, buckets of water are passive, IE they do not produce energy, and on the other we have Rosch's claims which no one, even Rosch has shown any evidence to substantiate.  In the weeks before their trip, many implored upon PESN to develop a test plan that would evaluate Rosch's claims simply and unambiguously.  PESN did not publish a test plan, and it appears that neither PESN nor anyone else in their group took any quantitative measurements at all.

I will give you a hint:  Watch the videos of the device if you like, or just examine the photos taken of the machine running posted at PESN that show the horizontal chain between the water column and the alleged generator.  PESN's Stuart Campbell confirmed and it can be seen in video that the chain rotates anti-clockwise facing the water column, and clockwise facing the shaft output of the motor as indicated by the arrows drawn on each.  Let the chain be your qualitative torque sensor.  See what you see.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2015, 07:35:56 PM »
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Offline minnie

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2015, 11:17:18 PM »





     To get a bit of an idea a micro hydro 15kw would have a head of
say 40 metres and a flow rate of 60 litres a second.
   Look at a 15kw. hydro on YouTube and listen to it too!
          John.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2015, 11:31:33 PM »




     To get a bit of an idea a micro hydro 15kw would have a head of
say 40 metres and a flow rate of 60 litres a second.
   Look at a 15kw. hydro on YouTube and listen to it too!
          John.
Watch the buckets slowly turning over in the videos.  It's a complete joke:  A joke that has completely taken in PESN.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2015, 12:40:13 AM »
Another unbalanced wheel concept based on buoyancy and the hydrostatic paradoxon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtag7UeBOgY

This is much more clever and I have not yet seen anybody busting it...

Any idea ?

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2015, 02:45:01 AM »
Another unbalanced wheel concept based on buoyancy and the hydrostatic paradoxon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtag7UeBOgY

This is much more clever and I have not yet seen anybody busting it...

Any idea ?
Like many other unbalanced wheel ideas he ignores angles.  Start iwth energy end with energy and it is usually easy to get the right answer.  If you work in force then you are often stuck performing tedious and error prone integrals.

 

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