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Author Topic: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW  (Read 53022 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2015, 08:06:19 PM »
Hi All,
I recorded the dismantling process today.
Unfortunately I missed the switch off of the AuKW,
but at least I captured all the later stuff pretty well.

These are bilingual Videos English-German language.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3M0uBASnV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIiaU74xRP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4--SdBE0z64


Well as the AuKW was still running a few minutes ago before I recorded
the first video, the question is now, how they wired that up that they still had today all
the power at the output ?
If there was no hidden cable through the connection support beams, then how
did they input the power to all the loads today ?
Well in the last days we had a still frame only in the Livestream from
8th of May evening to today midday.... so
in that time frame they could have tampered with the device..
Did somebody record the switch off of the AuKW of today ?
Would love to see this.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2015, 11:11:02 PM »
Well as the AuKW was still running a few minutes ago before I recorded
the first video, the question is now, how they wired that up that they still had today all
the power at the output ?
If there was no hidden cable through the connection support beams, then how
did they input the power to all the loads today ?

Do you suppose that during all of that "Live" feed downtime,
they had time to:

.  remove the wires from the support tubes
.  patch up the small 1 inch diameter hole from the demo room to that area above the office in the adjacent space
.  install a honking big battery in that "generator"
.  turn it back on in time for the "show"


Surely they couldn't get all of that done in less than 96 hours ;)
Spackle must take at least that long to dry, let alone paint over.


So did anyone get to look inside the "generator" ?

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2015, 08:15:50 PM »
J.D.s photos.

Another nail in the coffin.

Stefan, you have been quoted multiple times by Stuart / Sterling on PESN as having changed opinion.

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He's still having a hard time with the science, but pretty much admitted that while he doesn't understand how it could work, the demonstration did seem convincing that it was working.

So please review again the photos available (from J.D.) after the brackets were removed.
Please open them in their own tab so that you can more easily zoom in on them.



Photo 29 (http://www.pureenergyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DSCN1325_1000.jpg) shows a guy photoing the lower bracket position.
The top holes of that bracket were nearest to the gap in the prefab wall (comparing the 2 bracket photos) and there is a dark smudge above the top right hole.

So we know the lower bracket must be this photo http://www.pureenergyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DSCN1327_1000.jpg

The "pattern" of etching of the prefab concrete can be seen over the entire surface of this part of the wall.

So far so good.

And so let's look at the upper bracket position http://www.pureenergyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DSCN1328_1000.jpg

Notice that the same "etching" pattern we saw everwhere on the lower bracket picture is there...................................

EXCEPT FOR the entire area inside the 4 mounting holes.


Is there an equivalent German word for "Spackle" ?
Did J.D. bother to look for any open tubs of it ?

They had 4 clear days with no live feed to cover this up.


I bet this will cause Sterling to lower his rating to 9.89999999.



Also Stefan, you are quoted as having only considered "unseen portions of the control panel" for location of hidden batteries.
Is this true ? I did not listen to the entire 2 hour audio.

Thanks

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2015, 08:40:39 PM »
It is fascinating to observe the thought process over there.  They have absolutely no evidence that gravity or its application to fluids is an energy source:  zip, nada, nothing, de-minimus.  Rosch/Gaia do not even pretend to present any evidence that the paternoster drives the "generator" rather than is driven by a motor labelled as a "generator", much less that the paternoster passes more than 5kW, or that the supposed power out of the paternoster in any way exceeds the power into the small compressor.  There are no force or torque transducers in the system to measure mechanical power and the direction of that power flow.

S&S jump into an alternate reality where they assume the claimed miracle is true.  From there they go through exercises of trying to convince themselves that there is no trick in how the display was wired.  Such is the world of self-delusion.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2015, 09:12:10 PM »
While I don't actually think this is the case.... it is certainly possible that the bracket _bolts_ themselves could be used to make the necessary electrical connection through the wall. No extra holes or cables through the wall are needed, just some long bolts that go all the way through. Two brackets = two conductors, with the long bolts making the connection through the wall.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2015, 09:33:12 PM »
While I don't actually think this is the case.... it is certainly possible that the bracket _bolts_ themselves could be used to make the necessary electrical connection through the wall. No extra holes or cables through the wall are needed, just some long bolts that go all the way through. Two brackets = two conductors, with the long bolts making the connection through the wall.
There are many ways to hide a power source including in plain sight.  I don't really care because we know that the fundamental premise is a lie. 

I did not slog through videos of people making measurements under Gaia's control.  A lightly loaded motor would look very inductive and consequently clamp on current readings by themselves would indicate high reactive currents while real currents are quite low.  So current measurements at the "generator" by themselves are useless.  If people took those, and merely assumed that:  1) The currents registered are real rather than reactive, and 2) The current was from the "generator" instead of to it as a motor, then they set themselves up to be fooled into believing what they wanted to see.  So it could be that there are no hidden wires at all.  There is just a big motor labelled as a generator and all the "magic" happens in the control boxes where the same mains connection that feeds the "generator" splits off to the loads.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2015, 09:58:14 PM »
There are many ways to hide a power source including in plain sight.  I don't really care because we know that the fundamental premise is a lie. 

I did not slog through videos of people making measurements under Gaia's control.  A lightly loaded motor would look very inductive and consequently clamp on current readings by themselves would indicate high reactive currents while real currents are quite low.  So current measurements at the "generator" by themselves are useless.  If people took those, and merely assumed that:  1) The currents registered are real rather than reactive, and 2) The current was from the "generator" instead of to it as a motor, then they set themselves up to be fooled into believing what they wanted to see.  So it could be that there are no hidden wires at all.  There is just a big motor labelled as a generator and all the "magic" happens in the control boxes where the same mains connection that feeds the "generator" splits off to the loads.


Sadly, the believers will not read or understand any of what you said.
As evidenced by their postings, they can't bear to hear the truth.



But pictures.......................
I am hoping that they can at least "learn" from the pictures supplied by one of their own.
(that is, as long as they don't get the urge to get a box of crayons out for a coloring session)  :o


The only reason for the "etching" pattern consistent with the rest of the concrete prefab wall to be missing in the area of the upper bracket,
is that a hole was covered up with some type of spackle/drywall compound.


But agreed, there are many ways to hide the power source to the (let's be generous and call it a) "generator".

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2015, 04:32:17 AM »
Smoothcriminal wrote here:
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2015/05/14/2233/heiko-erxlebens-close-up-photos-from-may-13-aukw-disassembly/

take a very close look on exerlebens close-ups from the upper and lower support beam section on the wall. especially the drilling holes. compare upper and lower ones. its pretty obvious that the upper beam wall section got repainted AFTER the holes got drilled.. if u strongly increase the contrast u can even see where they drilled the hole for the cable through the wall. it shows as a round imprint..
if u keep examine the fotos from dismantling day u can also find the hole for the cable to the generator in the baseplate on top of the tube (they covered it with tape)..  (credits for this findings go to d.fense, devnull and uatu from allmystery forum)

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2015, 04:58:10 AM »
New video. still rendering, from the audio conference and the dismantling
day from the start with the security man switching off the system and the footage also from J.D:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYruqD06210


My biggest video yet on Youtube, having already had about 10 GigBytes of file size and
being 2:20 hours long..

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2015, 05:07:46 AM »
Take a look at the guy with the black hair and the blue shirt.
He pulls the 3 phase cable plug from the right cabinet box, there where the
power is supposed to come out and then he disappears behind the big tube for a few seconds
and comes back with a big 3 phase distributor box and connection cable...

Seems this was the way they got the power at the dismantling day, they just used this connection
cord and distributor bix hidden behind the red crane waggon to get the power in there,
coming from the room next there...
( the Blue door is open and you see cables laying around there at the edges
on the door..)

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2015, 05:08:12 AM »
Smoothcriminal wrote here:
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2015/05/14/2233/heiko-erxlebens-close-up-photos-from-may-13-aukw-disassembly/

take a very close look on exerlebens close-ups from the upper and lower support beam section on the wall. especially the drilling holes. compare upper and lower ones. its pretty obvious that the upper beam wall section got repainted AFTER the holes got drilled.. if u strongly increase the contrast u can even see where they drilled the hole for the cable through the wall. it shows as a round imprint..
if u keep examine the fotos from dismantling day u can also find the hole for the cable to the generator in the baseplate on top of the tube (they covered it with tape)..  (credits for this findings go to d.fense, devnull and uatu from allmystery forum)

So I hope you will confirm with Sterling/Stuart that you have not changed you mind on this being a scam.

They are quoting you as such.
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He's still having a hard time with the science, but pretty much admitted that while he doesn't understand how it could work, the demonstration did seem convincing that it was working.

If I easily found the evidence along with your multiple other references, then you have to correct PESN on what they are saying about you.

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2015, 05:28:32 AM »
Yes, yeasterday night I was tired and had not yet looked at all the new data.

So now the story changed again. Sterling must see this now...

Here are 2 of the Erxleben Fotos where you see the tampered hole in the center
when the contrast is very high from the upper support beam wall position.


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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2015, 05:49:54 AM »
Yes, yeasterday night I was tired and had not yet looked at all the new data.

So now the story changed again. Sterling must see this now...

I hear you, Wasn't it about 3.am your time.
I hope you slept in today. ;)


Because of Stuart, I do not post over at PESN.
(I am sure you would not be happy with him as a moderator for your sites).


I have reviewed the other photos you linked to, and I can see what you are saying.


But I don't think it presented well on the PESN Pure Energy Blog site.
Lots of photos, but no commentary on what each means.

Quite simply, the evidence I posted above (regarding the lack of  concrete "etching" in the middle of the upper support) is glaring.


And I would wager that no supporter on PESN would dare comment about it, if it was posted there
(especially the photo taker himself).

Pete

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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2015, 06:06:25 AM »
Not yet Pete.
I wanted to get this out before I go to bed.

Is this black haired guy with the Caro-Shirt unplugging there the cable
that brought the hidden power to the AuKW ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R2tZvGxkhA


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Re: How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2015, 06:23:38 AM »
Not yet Pete.
I wanted to get this out before I go to bed.

Is this black haired guy with the Caro-Shirt unplugging there the cable
that brought the hidden power to the AuKW ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R2tZvGxkhA

Holy Crap, that has to be a wig.

According to Stuart, all of the cables were accounted for.

And I have to admit, that I haven't kept track of them all, so no comment from me.

But, then why did he have to check the web cam as he came into frame ?
Making sure the syrup wasn't wonky ?

(cockney rhyming slang btw for "syrup of figs" - "wigs")

 

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