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Author Topic: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel  (Read 3701 times)


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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2015, 12:37:28 AM »
Kind of  misleading, isn't it? Water and air _as_ fuel? No such thing. 

The Fuel is a refined hydrocarbon liquid mix, like Diesel. This Fuel is synthesized from the carbon in CO2 and the hydrogen in water. The process of synthesis is costly and difficult and requires much energy _input_ from other sources. The eventual pre-tax, per liter price of this synthetic hydrocarbon fuel is expected to be twice that of gasoline. It produces just as much carbon (CO2) in exhaust as it takes to make it in the first place, so that is good in terms of overall emissions. But it takes more energy to produce it than it releases when burned in an engine. This is why the power to drive the synthesis process "is powered by green energy such as solar or wind power." Low-cost energy makes it OK to waste some in order to keep our automobiles running.

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2015, 12:53:11 AM »
Oh
I don't know that they are trying to mislead ..Water is the feed stock from which a very big part of the fuel is harvested and used in its entirety ...and the Air as well.

Not sure a person could effectively argue your point in a court of law.

Personally I find it a huge contribution from the engineers at AUDI,although I am aware of others that have done similar ,however they use much less energy in a much smarter process.

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2015, 09:32:01 PM »
Oh
I don't know that they are trying to mislead ..Water is the feed stock from which a very big part of the fuel is harvested and used in its entirety ...and the Air as well.

Not sure a person could effectively argue your point in a court of law.

Personally I find it a huge contribution from the engineers at AUDI,although I am aware of others that have done similar ,however they use much less energy in a much smarter process.



I find it deceptive that one would get carbon dioxide from the air in a fixed facility.  I think there is an opportunity to use it as "make
up" capability in a vehicle to make up for a small amount of carbon lost in some other process though. Or if your planet's atmosphere
consists almost completely of carbon dioxide, like Mars or Venus. A better source of carbon dioxide for this process would be directly from a
vehicle exhaust stream where one would use excess electricity to recycle to a fuel like ethane to be burnt again and again in an ICE engine,
...if you can't seem to drag yourself away from internal combustion.

..S..MarkSCoffman

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2019, 08:36:36 PM »
a forward from a friend of ours........


This is a quick placeholder for this topic will be starting another thread as more information comes through or someone else can start a topic if I don’t get to it fast enough



Hi Chet
Sounds good to me? Norman Wootan posted this in EVGray//
//"Announcing !  the H2G Water BUS tour of USA. An RV / Bus will leave Tampa for Washington DC to Demonstrate the H2G clean water fuel technology that will run this bus across America and back, WITHOUT STOPPING FOR FUEL. The tour is from Tampa to DC to Silicon Valley, Ca. and many stops in between. There we meet with Scientists, Technicians and Financial VIPs from around the globe to introduce our technology. H2 Global invented this unique process based on studies of lightning, and charged particles. It extracts water from the air, like a dehumidifier, and that water is converted in our 4" CUBEs to a clean near zero emission fuel which improves by 5-10 x the mpg.  It runs on 99% water.  It replaces toxic fossil fuels. An engine test run is posted on our site  h2ge.com  or h4gas.com which shows  an engine running on 99% water.  There is also a downloadable document on the website which describes in more detail this historic event.  We will be doing media interviews across America as we go. We will be riding Congresspersons on the bus at a demo in DC,  Some celebrities have asked to ride.  You can actually participate and may ride in the bus.  Email  h2ge@...  to find out how, You can help spread the word just by sharing this.  This will be a ride into history and mark the turning point from toxic fossil fuels to a clean energy future.  H2G has a solution for climate change."

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2019, 05:14:00 PM »
a forward from a friend of ours........


This is a quick placeholder for this topic will be starting another thread as more information comes through or someone else can start a topic if I don’t get to it fast enough



Hi Chet
Sounds good to me? Norman Wootan posted this in EVGray//
//"Announcing !  the H2G Water BUS tour of USA. An RV / Bus will leave Tampa for Washington DC to Demonstrate the H2G clean water fuel technology that will run this bus across America and back, WITHOUT STOPPING FOR FUEL. The tour is from Tampa to DC to Silicon Valley, Ca. and many stops in between. There we meet with Scientists, Technicians and Financial VIPs from around the globe to introduce our technology. H2 Global invented this unique process based on studies of lightning, and charged particles. It extracts water from the air, like a dehumidifier, and that water is converted in our 4" CUBEs to a clean near zero emission fuel which improves by 5-10 x the mpg.  It runs on 99% water.  It replaces toxic fossil fuels. An engine test run is posted on our site  h2ge.com  or h4gas.com which shows  an engine running on 99% water.  There is also a downloadable document on the website which describes in more detail this historic event.  We will be doing media interviews across America as we go. We will be riding Congresspersons on the bus at a demo in DC,  Some celebrities have asked to ride.  You can actually participate and may ride in the bus.  Email  h2ge@...  to find out how, You can help spread the word just by sharing this.  This will be a ride into history and mark the turning point from toxic fossil fuels to a clean energy future.  H2G has a solution for climate change."


Had a look at their site.

Want to know how it works?  Here's a gift to you.   But first.....

Remember the fellow in NZ years ago on 60 minutes with the Water fuelled Motorcycle?  Then a lab tested the emissions and STILL found hydrocabons in the exhaust even though he vehemently stated that it only ran on  water!??
Later the motobike was abandoned and he drove around Australia on a waste oil/water mix closer to 50%.  Interesting.  Where is he today?  Nowhere!  WHY....because it didn't run on pure water.

NOw comes this mob claiming they drive around USA in a bus powered by water.  Oh but wait, a closer look at corporate docs and their website says.....we are looking for investors!!.  Invest in what?  If you have the formula for burning water then you don't need that.  The world will flock to your door.  Now comes the truth in the fine print.....uh huh yeh its not pure water its at least 10% (AT LEAST) petroleum and the result is water 'reformed".  To those experienced in the art, you immediately know what that is
NOW the next lie.....they say there is NO PRIOR ART.     There is prior art and many variants at that.

So what explosive fuel can you make with water (steam) and any hydrocarbon?   Answer = SYNGAS

In MANY variants.



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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2019, 05:42:55 PM »
Water( hydrogen+ oxygen) and Air-C(O2) : hydro( gen) - carbon gas/fuel

WWII in use : Fischer-Tropsch process ( 1925 developed) : FT- gas/fuel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process


Similar:

http://www.dotyenergy.com/
http://www.winddiesel.at/index.php/technologien/technologien-ftprodukte
AUDI : + Shell + Choren ( in Liquidation)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.heise.de%2Ftr%2Fartikel%2FDer-Sprit-ist-aus-1726672.html
 Now comercial called " e-fuel"
Syngas or Syntroleum

Other trial : synthetic Methan/ol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_fuel

Uncombusted gas/fuel effect :
https://climatechangeconnection.org/emissions/co2-equivalents/

#4 : alternative : h2eg.com : 99% hydrogen ic- motor drive        energetic calculation electrolysis; consume per 100 Km/ miles
water( hydrogen+ oxygen) + air- nitrogen : ammonia NH3
 https://www.google.com/search?q=hydrogen+%2B+nitrogen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/ammonia-renewable-fuel-made-sun-air-and-water-could-power-globe-without-carbon

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2019, 06:54:57 PM »
Endlessoceans
I remember the guy with the motorcycle,always wondered what happened to him.[he was a cool guy]
as far as Syngas...we have plenty of fellows who can play with the ICE's and fuels [very deep talent pool here]
The TinMan is doing some good experiments on the topic of water and fuel ATM .
Lanca thanks for the info.I will be reaching out for more info on these H2group guys.
few years back member Johan1955 pointed us towards Lithium soap [VERY small amounts] and waterwith diesel emulsification upto 60-70 %water they ran a 35KW genset on the fuel ...PERFECTLY and cleaner !!
the lithium effects the bond strength of the molecules tremendously....[to Johan's advantage

Chet K


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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2019, 08:12:59 PM »
AND YET STILL WE ARE USING THE BLACK FILTHY  SHIT CALL OIL.. WELL FORGIVE ME WHERE THE HELL IS
ROSSI AND THE FUCKING REST OF THE BEST,,

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Re: Water and Air as a fuel ?..Audi has an opinion, and a new fuel
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 07:53:57 PM »
The base fuel : CO2- neutral bio-fuel f. e. Coolplanet CO2-neutral biomass-to-fuel
https://www.google.com/search?q=coolplanet+fuel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

This fuel stretching/cracking by Arakelian process 1 biofuel unit ~ 8 units crack gas
https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2690158A1/en

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J5hlW8VT3Kg

a thermodynamic engine with > 50% conversion efficiency ( included waste heat recuperator) :
https://www.google.com/search?q=proepower+engine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

engine shaft force/torque to electric energy :WINPRO generator
https://www.google.com/search?q=winpro+Akio+hara+generator&client=firefox-b-m&oq=winpro+Akio+hara+generator&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-serp.3..30i10.23560.33576.0.34695.15.15.0.0.0.0.1055.11988.0j1j4-4j0j5j5.15.0....0...1c..34.mobile-heirloom-serp..13.2.1533.UmQgrFAXITE
50% kinetic/ mechanic force in : 100% electric force out   ccw/cw rotor/stator relationship

Summa summarum:
1/16 biofuel neutral CO2 emission compared with conventional co-generation power plants in the MW- range

+ Effective 50%  CO2- emission from engine exhaust can be directly filtered, stored to new CO2- cycle .

Land use :
3000 Liter biofuel/ha 1.Generation biofuel
> 20000 Liter/ha         3. Generation biofuel
> 160000 Liter/ha.      4. Generation Bio-Crack

Agriculture water use per liter biofuel : 

Lithium- saltmining water use : 1000 Liter/ Kg


 

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