Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device. (Read 211065 times)

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #315 on:** May 02, 2015, 04:51:51 AM »

Quote from: Farmhand on May 02, 2015, 04:39:27 AM

Pirate I was referring to over speed events in aircraft under the speed of sound, even without approaching Mach 1 many older planes became almost uncontrollable and just continued to dive into the ground it is well documented, and spoken by the pilots themselves. The controls become so heavy
the pilot cannot pull out of the dive in time. So a lack of control due to over speed but no breaking up of the plane until ground strike.

I agree, that is true. What I was trying to say was, not only do the control forces for the pilots (back then prior to hydraulics and computer controls) get heavier and heavier, way before Mach 1 shock waves move around the airframe also causing control ability problems. Yeager, in his books, said he could see shock waves on his wings when diving his Mustang wide open, and that was probably just under 600 mph.

The early dive bombers had the problem you speak about. My 2nd flight instructor told me many tales of guys he knew not being able to pull out in time after dropping the bombs.

Bill

tinman · « **Reply #316 on:** May 02, 2015, 04:56:05 AM »

Quote from: Farmhand on May 02, 2015, 04:39:27 AM

Pirate I was referring to over speed events in aircraft under the speed of sound, even without approaching Mach 1 many older planes became almost uncontrollable and just continued to dive into the ground it is well documented, and spoken by the pilots themselves. The controls become so heavy
the pilot cannot pull out of the dive in time. So a lack of control due to over speed but no breaking up of the plane until ground strike.

The guys(some of who are still alive and well today

)who couldnt handle a cessna well enough to get there licence managed to handle a 757 and 767"s at way over Vmo-and Mmo speeds with no problem Farmhand lol. MarkE will tell you that the target's were huge-couldnt miss them,but last time i went up in a plane,things seem'd really small at just 2000ft. But these guys hit them all spot on traveling at way over Vmo speed(1 at 570MPH) with no problem at all. one even managed to make a 330* turn while diving at over 470MPH,and to this day,every trained pilot that has tried has not been able to pull that off in a 757-->but the guys with the box cutters nailed it.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #317 on:** May 02, 2015, 05:01:30 AM »

Quote from: tinman on May 02, 2015, 04:56:05 AM

The guys(some of who are still alive and well today )who couldnt handle a cessna well enough to get there licence managed to handle a 757 and 767"s at way over Vmo-and Mmo speeds with no problem Farmhand lol. MarkE will tell you that the target's were huge-couldnt miss them,but last time i went up in a plane,things seem'd really small at just 2000ft. But these guys hit them all spot on traveling at way over Vmo speed(1 at 570MPH) with no problem at all. one even managed to make a 330* turn while diving at over 470MPH,and to this day,every trained pilot that has tried has not been able to pull that off in a 757-->but the guys with the box cutters nailed it.

Brad:

What you might be missing is, when they took flight training here in the states, and this should have been a HUGE red flag, they did not want to learn how to land. Just fly. No take offs, no landings...just fly. Flying is pretty easy when you eliminate those other two events. If you had a lot of hours to learn how to just fly...you could have done what they did.

Bill

Farmhand · « **Reply #318 on:** May 02, 2015, 05:10:36 AM »

Tinman the point is that once the plane is pointed in a direction and accelerated it does not take much control.

And I did say that the plane could well have been remotely controlled by a remote pilot who would of course be very skilled.

In fact once the plane was pointed at the building and reached an over speed condition then missing the building would be
more difficult than keeping the plane in a direct route.

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TinselKoala · « **Reply #319 on:** May 02, 2015, 05:10:50 AM »

The one part of the whole 911 conspiracy airplane story that I can agree with is the Pentagon maneuver. This is indeed an exceedingly difficult one to pull off and it does seem improbable that someone who was essentially a non-pilot could pull it off the first time, even though he may have practiced it a lot on computer-based flight sim programs.

(For many years in my life I made my living as a sailplane flight instructor, tow pilot, and I gave airshow aerobatic demonstrations in heavy sailplanes like the Lark IS-28B2, culminating in a low pass at just below Vne, in ground effect, finished by a pullup, circle-to-spot-landing maneuver. The Pentagon maneuver, in a large heavy airliner, is precision flying of the highest order. Beginner's Luck? It's a mystery to me, all right.)

tinman · « **Reply #320 on:** May 02, 2015, 05:18:19 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on May 02, 2015, 03:32:02 AM

Where is James Kwok when you need him?!! lol

Lol-go for a little stroll over to OUR did we MH.

James Kwok
Mr James Kwok is the inventor/technologist of numerous world patents pending including vortexodial turbine for wind energy; vortexodial turbine for wave energy; PortalGen and Solar-Prism for solar PV. James Kwok has been granted with nine Innovation Patents 2004100467-475, all with multiple commercial applications for various mechanical-components and systems used in low-emissions coal gasification plants and Fluidised Bed Combustion (FBC) Reactors. James Kwok holds the granted Patents for the commercially ready technology, hydrodynamic-cycle for deep water pressure energy conversion technology (Hidro+™).

During the 80’s James Kwok was the senior project planner and project manager, leading teams of engineers on major heavy engineering project for CMPS&F, then Australia's largest consulting engineering organization with over 2000 engineers.

During the 90’s to 2000, James Kwok owned engineering and construction firm Energy Equipment (EE Power Systems), conducting commercial project deployments and research and development in renewable energy technologies

In 1995 James Kwok designed and built a 30,000Nm3/hr commercial low-emission coal gasification plant using lignite (brown-coal) fuel, completed in Henan Province PRChina for State owned Steel company, Lou Yang Heavy Machineries. This plant is still in commercial operation

Other plants include in 1996 a commercial plant using 25t/d waste-water treatments sludge as feedstock, part of a bio-diesel production plant for Waste Management Authority at Subiaco Waste Water Works, in Western Australia.<-- just up the road from me.

In 1998 James Kwok initiated and co-developed with Prof Dr Udo Hellwig of ERK Germany the unique integrated 'shell-tubes' rated at 35t/h superheated steam generator at T400degC and P40barg to power 7MWt steam-turbine which was incorporated in the EE Power Systems proprietary and patented Fluidized-Bed Reactor Technology (FBR). The FBR processes includes low-temperature gasification followed by high-temperature combustion, commercially verified by independent experts as meeting the world's best practice for power generation using either fossils and organic materials such as biomass, coal and lignite (brown coal).

In 1999 James Kwok designed and completed a large-scale (5MWe) biomass (70,000 t/yr garden pruning waste) renewable power plant. This plant includes a specially designed and commercially completed 25m high FBR-boiler rated at 35t/h and T400degC constructed as an embedded generator for an Industrial complex in South East Queensland, Australia. In 2001 this plant was granted with Australia’s first renewable energy generation and transmission license and renewable energy certification from the Australian Greenhouse Office (AGO in Canberra). In 2002 this plant was successfully commissioned with independent experts verifications from GHD Black and Veatch; Burns Roe Worley; Sinclair Knight Mertz

James Kwok was granted with Tasmania’s first generation and transmission license granted and issued by the Office of Tasmanian Electricity Regulator in the State of Tasmania, Australia; the first renewable energy generation and transmission license granted and issued by Western Power in the State of Western Australia; and subsequent 20-100MW capacity projects permits granted and issued in the State of Victoria.

James Kwok is a Member of the Australian College of Mechanical Engineers, the Panel of the Australian National Registered Professional Engineers and on the panel of Chartered Assessment with the Institution of Engineers Australia.

Yea-your right MH,this guy has no idea what he's doing

markdansie · « **Reply #321 on:** May 02, 2015, 06:13:22 AM »

Quote from: tinman on May 02, 2015, 04:29:07 AM

TK
I respect what you are saying,and yes,it seems that the 220MPH is off (i can admit when im wrong).BUT you show a Vmo of 414.25MPH at sea level to 26000 feet. MarkE and his !so called !reputable reports insist on air speeds of 500MPH and 570MPH. This is way way above Vmo,and no unmodified 757 or 767 can travel at that speed at just above sea level. If you can provide evidence to the contrary,then i will be happy to conceed. Also take into account that the guys that apparently managed to fly these planes way over Vmo speed-(not just a little over,but way over) couldnt even fly a single engine cessna very well at all.

I have no interest in entering this debate other than the speed the aircraft hit recently in southern France tragedy where the plane was deliberately crashed was faster than 220 MPH. . "After their analysis of the aircraft's flight data recorder, the BEA stated that Lubitz deliberately crashed the aircraft. He set the autopilot to descend to 100 feet (30 m), modifying the autopilot setting several times to increase the aircraft's descent speed.[/font][/size][112][/color][/font][113][/color][/font] The aircraft was travelling at 700 kilometres per hour (430 mph) when it crashed into the mountain.[/font][/size][106][/color][/font]
Kind Regards
Mark
Can this please get back on topic?

Farmhand · « **Reply #322 on:** May 02, 2015, 06:34:00 AM »

Is there any way to know how many orders they've taken and who from ?

If not how do we know any actual orders have been taken ? Seems there should be some evidence of this as it would hardly go unnoticed, if even one single person installed one and it was working as described then anyone that seen it would want one and anyone who did have one but isn't promoting it is very selfish.

Or do they mean they have half of the desired rip offs completed ? Should be world news on all alternative news outlets. And it should persist being such an exotic new Tech=free energy.

If they actually work anyone that has the money would buy one. The price is similar to solar.

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In this first batch, of which their AUKW demonstrator is the first system, they plan on making 500 units, over half of which have already been purchased. These will be available for delivery within two months. They will come as kits requiring assembly, arriving on one or two pallets with the tube shipping separately. If a person wants a fully operational system, then they'll need to pay extra for someone to do the assembly for them.

Home hook-up will need to be done by a licensed electrician. Assembly and installation of the units is expected to take around 40 man hours. GAIA is providing training for those who would like to become installers. Training will take 1-2 days. Though they are presently wanting to stay under the radar and focus on the European market, they will ship internationally, though the conversion of the system to comply with local power parameter (110V vs 220V; 50 Hz vs 60 Hz, single-phase vs 3-phase, etc, see table) and pass required safety certifications will be up to the customer / potential licensee.

The European 5 kW AUKW system output is 400 V, 50 Hz, 3-phase. The load on each of the three phases needs to be consistent, so these are fed to an inverter, which provides the external power and manages the power. It can adjust its output for a changing load.

The cost for the 5 kW system is € 14,160.00 EUR gross including standard local VAT. The costs include the workshop and the complete material of construction of the plant.

Farmhand · « **Reply #323 on:** May 02, 2015, 06:38:50 AM »

Hold on, the PESWIKI article says that three phases totaling 5 kw is fed to an inverter. Anyone got any ideas how they would do that ? How would the three phases be rectified ? The inverter would require a DC input wouldn't it ?

MarkE · « **Reply #324 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:17:38 AM »

Quote from: d3x0r on May 02, 2015, 12:05:35 AM

what is mgh?
I'm stating that 100% of the energy from the input is entirely lost disregarding any bouyancy effect. So given 0 input energy used to move the floats it's obvious that input has nothing to do with output.

If you are trying to say that all of the input energy is lost to waste heat due to compression and expansion, then that is also wrong.

MarkE · « **Reply #325 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:20:26 AM »

Quote from: tinman on May 02, 2015, 02:44:09 AM

Lol,the guy that designed it and own's it IS the big power company owner lol.
Oh,and it's no where near the ocean.

I found no full report on building 7,and in the !what they call a report!,they actually admit to not testing for explosives . In fact,everything was shipped of that fast to china to be melted down,no real investigation was done. All the reports you put forth are government backed lol. You havnt shown one report from an independent body of any type. The reason for that is-all the real engineers,and true experts in the field all know the buildings were brought down by explosives-not fire. You cant even understand as to why building 7 came down slightly faster than free fall speed lol. The reason you dont understand is because the only way building 7 could fall slightly faster than free fall speed go's against your blind faith.

Im sorry Mark,but i am the one that has so far provided credible evidence-along with scientific fact,that the buildings did not fall due to fire. And dont forget-they didnt test for explosive residue at all in your reports.

No Mark, a stock 757 and 767 just cannot do 500 and 570MPH at sea level without falling apart. The only thing you presented is a Mach.86 speed-->which is at cruising altitude lol-not sea level.

You call your self a man of science and fact's,and yet here you are backing rubbish lol. You shun people for not being able to read a scope,you say there is no excuse for some one of that stature to get it wrong,and yet a simple circuit analysis seems to be beyond your limit's.
You know what they say-people that live in glass houses

You have descended fully into nutterdom. You haven't read, because you say you were never able to locate the report. Try these hints: WTC 7, and NIST report.

MarkE · « **Reply #326 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:22:26 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on May 02, 2015, 03:32:02 AM

Where is James Kwok when you need him?!! lol

He's leaving phone messages for Sterling Allan!

tinman · « **Reply #327 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:29:25 AM »

Quote from: markdansie on May 02, 2015, 06:13:22 AM

I have no interest in entering this debate other than the speed the aircraft hit recently in southern France tragedy where the plane was deliberately crashed was faster than 220 MPH. . "After their analysis of the aircraft's flight data recorder, the BEA stated that Lubitz deliberately crashed the aircraft. He set the autopilot to descend to 100 feet (30 m), modifying the autopilot setting several times to increase the aircraft's descent speed.[/font][/size][112][/color][/font][113][/color][/font] The aircraft was travelling at 700 kilometres per hour (430 mph) when it crashed into the mountain.[/font][/size][106][/color][/font]
Kind Regards
Mark

Im not sure how this relates to the planes used in the 9/11 attacks Mark. You show an experianced airline pilot hitting a mountain at 430MPH,when we are looking at non experianced persons hitting buildings at 470,500,570MPH.

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Can this please get back on topic?

Dont mean to be rude Mark,but this all started with your comments toward Sterling
Quote your first post on this thread- post 105. I think you spotted sterling,and decided to come give him what he deserves,insted of being on topic. But i will say,it was much deserved. I know how he has treated you in the past,and do understand how you feel.

Anyway-back on track here.
Can some one tell me what the amount of energy in joules is required to compress a vessel volume of 1 ltr to 290 psi gauge pressure?-just ambiant air as gas.
Just wanting to see how that compares to a bouyant systems graph i have drawn up.

MarkE · « **Reply #328 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:30:49 AM »

Quote from: tinman on May 02, 2015, 04:56:05 AM

The guys(some of who are still alive and well today )who couldnt handle a cessna well enough to get there licence managed to handle a 757 and 767"s at way over Vmo-and Mmo speeds with no problem Farmhand lol. MarkE will tell you that the target's were huge-couldnt miss them,but last time i went up in a plane,things seem'd really small at just 2000ft.

That is utter freaking nonsense. Learn to use a protractor.

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But these guys hit them all spot on traveling at way over Vmo speed(1 at 570MPH) with no problem at all. one even managed to make a 330* turn while diving at over 470MPH,and to this day,every trained pilot that has tried has not been able to pull that off in a 757-->but the guys with the box cutters nailed it.

Or just drink more Kool-Aid. Is your bet on nano thermite or dustification? Maybe you think invisible giant space zombies pounded the buildings down with their giant invisible fists.

MarkE · « **Reply #329 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:36:52 AM »

Quote from: tinman on May 02, 2015, 05:18:19 AM

Lol-go for a little stroll over to OUR did we MH.

James Kwok
Mr James Kwok is the inventor/technologist of numerous world patents pending including vortexodial turbine for wind energy; vortexodial turbine for wave energy; PortalGen and Solar-Prism for solar PV. James Kwok has been granted with nine Innovation Patents 2004100467-475, all with multiple commercial applications for various mechanical-components and systems used in low-emissions coal gasification plants and Fluidised Bed Combustion (FBC) Reactors. James Kwok holds the granted Patents for the commercially ready technology, hydrodynamic-cycle for deep water pressure energy conversion technology (Hidro+™).

During the 80’s James Kwok was the senior project planner and project manager, leading teams of engineers on major heavy engineering project for CMPS&F, then Australia's largest consulting engineering organization with over 2000 engineers.

During the 90’s to 2000, James Kwok owned engineering and construction firm Energy Equipment (EE Power Systems), conducting commercial project deployments and research and development in renewable energy technologies

In 1995 James Kwok designed and built a 30,000Nm3/hr commercial low-emission coal gasification plant using lignite (brown-coal) fuel, completed in Henan Province PRChina for State owned Steel company, Lou Yang Heavy Machineries. This plant is still in commercial operation

Other plants include in 1996 a commercial plant using 25t/d waste-water treatments sludge as feedstock, part of a bio-diesel production plant for Waste Management Authority at Subiaco Waste Water Works, in Western Australia.<-- just up the road from me.

In 1998 James Kwok initiated and co-developed with Prof Dr Udo Hellwig of ERK Germany the unique integrated 'shell-tubes' rated at 35t/h superheated steam generator at T400degC and P40barg to power 7MWt steam-turbine which was incorporated in the EE Power Systems proprietary and patented Fluidized-Bed Reactor Technology (FBR). The FBR processes includes low-temperature gasification followed by high-temperature combustion, commercially verified by independent experts as meeting the world's best practice for power generation using either fossils and organic materials such as biomass, coal and lignite (brown coal).

In 1999 James Kwok designed and completed a large-scale (5MWe) biomass (70,000 t/yr garden pruning waste) renewable power plant. This plant includes a specially designed and commercially completed 25m high FBR-boiler rated at 35t/h and T400degC constructed as an embedded generator for an Industrial complex in South East Queensland, Australia. In 2001 this plant was granted with Australia’s first renewable energy generation and transmission license and renewable energy certification from the Australian Greenhouse Office (AGO in Canberra). In 2002 this plant was successfully commissioned with independent experts verifications from GHD Black and Veatch; Burns Roe Worley; Sinclair Knight Mertz

James Kwok was granted with Tasmania’s first generation and transmission license granted and issued by the Office of Tasmanian Electricity Regulator in the State of Tasmania, Australia; the first renewable energy generation and transmission license granted and issued by Western Power in the State of Western Australia; and subsequent 20-100MW capacity projects permits granted and issued in the State of Victoria.

James Kwok is a Member of the Australian College of Mechanical Engineers, the Panel of the Australian National Registered Professional Engineers and on the panel of Chartered Assessment with the Institution of Engineers Australia.

Yea-your right MH,this guy has no idea what he's doing

LOL. If you're singing the praises of James Kwok you've taken an extra deep draw on the Kool-Aid. You can always treat yourself to his "conversations" with Sterling Allan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL4d3ZzV0fI

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